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WE LIVE IN AN AGE OF TOO MUCH INFORMATION

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Just when I have solved my brake wheel problem on the SP A-50-16 auto car I recieved the PDF of Ted Cuylotta's Volume 4 of Focus
On Freight Cars. Another exscellent publication and in it is a section on the Western Pacific 1937 box car. This is another car in my
pipeline and with this artice it moves up in priority. Wouldn't you know that this car like the A-50-16 uses a Universal hand brake.
So there go the brake wheels on my two ART refers. If tht isn't enough the WP car also uses tha Royal brake regulator. There goes
the last of the brass castngs tht I had made up a few years ago.

I have to stop reading and just model!

Bill Pardie


URECO HANDBRAKE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Subsequent to my exercise earlier in the week to identify the proper handbrake for the Southern Pacific A-50-16 auto car I found
that I actually had a couple of Deail Associates Ureco Handbrakes in my stash. Does anyone know what cars mighgt have used
this particular wheel?

Bill P:ardie


Re: Smaller Files

midrly
 

I've been working on a few Westerfield stock cars.  I prefer to sand the sides a bit per Jack's method, then drag a scalpel blade BACKWARDS along the edges of the "boards".  The sharp edge of the back of the blade  defines and squares off the boards as well as cutting the flash off.  The same can be done with the back of an X-Acto no. 11 blade.

Steve Lucas


Re: Adventures in Finding Small Files—an u pdate

riverman_vt@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <lnnrr152@...> wrote :

Bill, perhaps watchmakers use the terms differently but as a machinist, reamers and broaches work differently.
Both modify the size or shape of a hole but a reamer cuts with a rotary action. A broach is pushed or pulled
through a hole cutting in a linear fashion. 
At least this is true of all that I have used.  I now expect someone to come up with the exception.
Chuck Peck    

Hi Chuck,

    I'd be surprised to hear of an exception because the way you have described the difference is exactly
the way I have heard and understood the issues all my life as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine



Re: GATC Tank Car Advice

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tony and Tom,

No, I don't think my two cars are Mantua, though construction is similar. The mystery cars are much better detailed (rivets pressed right into the steel tank instead of a paper wrapper and they were fully painted). They are in no way like the actual Mantua car that started all this (it is a Mantua, still in original box with instructions). None of the parts match, something that you would expect even with retooling.

Construction is similar to an Athearn, but again, the parts don't match up. For instance, the Athearn 40' tank had separate end castings and a pressed steel center sill (I still have a set of these parts in my scrap box). My mystery cars have the entire underframe cast in one piece. Could Athearn have done a major retooling of the Globe parts? When I was a youngster I had both Athearn and early Globe metal boxcars, and they were quite different.

Yours Aye,


Garth


On 7/28/16 7:12 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:

�
Tom Madden wrote:

�
Could Garth's tank be a Globe? They made one- and two-dome tank car kits back in the day. This should be right up Denny's alley.

� �I don't think so. Globe made a 12,000-gallon car and a 10,000-gallon car, along with a "shorty" 10,000-gallon fat tank, all single-dome and with prototype size large domes. These were subsequently sold by Athearn after 1948.
� � �I wonder about Mantua, when they made a tank car with a metal shell. My triple-compartment car has Mantua couplers which exactly fit in a narrow coupler box (Mantua couplers did not need to swivel, because they had such a large gathering range).

Tony Thompson




Re: Adventures in Finding Small Files—an update

watchmeister <watchmeister@...>
 

Hi all

  I have worked  as a  watchmaker, and my broaches all work in a rotary fashion. Broaches are also slightly tapered,  so you have to use it from both sides of the hole to get straight sides. It could not be drawn through a hole without twisting.

Cheers 

Ed Holler 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date: 7/28/16 6:27 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Adventures in Finding Small Files—an update

 

Bill, perhaps watchmakers use the terms differently but as a machinist, reamers and broaches work differently.
Both modify the size or shape of a hole but a reamer cuts with a rotary action. A broach is pushed or pulled
through a hole cutting in a linear fashion. 
At least this is true of all that I have used.  I now expect someone to come up with the exception.
Chuck Peck 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:15 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
​ 

As a bonus I have also seen some really small reamers or broaches using the term watchmakers use.


Bill Welch



Re: GATC Tank Car Advice

Allan Smith
 

I also have one of those three dome tank cars. It is lettered UTLX 1252. The 1955 Tank Book shows UTLX 1252 as a 6500 gal tank car, but the model is at least a 10000 gal tank car, per Tonys formula. I have searched old Model Railroader ads from the MR disk and can't find any ads that match the kit, I also searched hoseeker for any instruction sheets that would match the kit and I couldn't find anything.. I also have old metal Athearn, Thomas, Mantua, G F Menzies kits and it doesn't match any of them. If anyone on this list can provide an answer I think all owners would appreciate the info.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


On Thursday, July 28, 2016 4:13 PM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Tom Madden wrote:

 
Could Garth's tank be a Globe? They made one- and two-dome tank car kits back in the day. This should be right up Denny's alley.

   I don't think so. Globe made a 12,000-gallon car and a 10,000-gallon car, along with a "shorty" 10,000-gallon fat tank, all single-dome and with prototype size large domes. These were subsequently sold by Athearn after 1948.
     I wonder about Mantua, when they made a tank car with a metal shell. My triple-compartment car has Mantua couplers which exactly fit in a narrow coupler box (Mantua couplers did not need to swivel, because they had such a large gathering range).

Tony Thompson






Re: GATC Tank Car Advice

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Madden wrote:

 
Could Garth's tank be a Globe? They made one- and two-dome tank car kits back in the day. This should be right up Denny's alley.

   I don't think so. Globe made a 12,000-gallon car and a 10,000-gallon car, along with a "shorty" 10,000-gallon fat tank, all single-dome and with prototype size large domes. These were subsequently sold by Athearn after 1948.
     I wonder about Mantua, when they made a tank car with a metal shell. My triple-compartment car has Mantua couplers which exactly fit in a narrow coupler box (Mantua couplers did not need to swivel, because they had such a large gathering range).

Tony Thompson




Re: HO Kits for sale update

Douglas Harding
 

Opps this was intended to be private to Brian, sorry about the interruption.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO Kits for sale update

 

 

Brian, sorry I have not gotten back to you. As I do have the HS cars (haven’t found the right box to verify) and because you had such a tremendous response I am going to release my hold on the two cars if you have another interested party.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

Dave Parker
 

I don't have any problem extracting and saving individual articles (or even parts of articles) in MRH, with these caveats:

1.  I am still using Windows 8

2.  I always use the "Web Downloader" (the green button), and save the "standard" (not the embedded) PDF version to my hard drive.  Not to say it would not work with other download options, only that I have not tried them.

3.  Being a cheapskate, I refuse to pay Adobe for a program as rudimentary as Acrobat (even if it did work).  There are several free utilities that do most/many of the same things.  I use PDFill FREE PDF Tools, v. 12.0.  Works like a charm.

I then have the article saved as a stand-alone PDF, which I can later print if I feel the need.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:37 PM, "Jeff Shultz jeff@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Jack, 

 I'm not sure if this is the password you want, but in on the Staff Credits (page 2 or 3 depending on version) page, at the bottom is has the "Issue password." It's been a combination of the month and year every time I have noticed it. 


On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:07 PM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
Sure...open the article in a pdf reader and note the start page and finish page numbers for the article in the pdf reader software. Then go to File/Print and under "Pages to Print", click on "Pages" and type in the pages you want printed...for that article it is pages 110-118. Then click on Print.

Unfortunately, I'd rather have the single article digitally saved. I tried the above technique but selected my "Adobe Printer" but passwords in the magazine prevent doing that.
Even if you have a full-blown Adobe Acrobat 9, you can't Extract or Delete pages either.

Jack

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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:46 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

Hi all,

First - thanks Jeff for providing the link to Richard Bale's article on hand brakes.

Question - is there no way to download/print one of the -articles- from MRH?
This particular article is an excellent example ... where I -need- the article in front of me is "at the work bench". There is just too much detailed info in this article for me to remember it all ... yes, I've read the article ...
yes, I know
how to get back to it (bookmarked!) ... but the next time I'm trying to select - and install - a brake wheel assembly I'm gonna be going from the work bench to the computer over and over again.
- Jim B.

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Re: Smaller Files

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

As I recall from one of Al’s resin kits, it is better to get rid of the flash by sanding the “inside” of the casting on a piece of fine emory paper lying on a flat surface. That way, the boards don’t get “narrower”.



Jack Burgess



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Smaller Files








Do any of the powered toothbrushes have a reciprocating action? I'm thinking most are rotary but perhaps

there is an exception. Then make an adapter for the file shank. Ought to ease getting the flash out from

between stockcar slats. (required freightcar content to appease the sheriff).

Chuck Peck





On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 2:09 PM, milepost206@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Rio Grande has 4" files and I have sourced many unusual tools from them, excellent suppplier
https://www.riogrande.com/search/go?w=micro+files

made for reciprocating handpiece but are short length diamond files
http://www.moldshoptools.com/catalog/list.php?category_id=152

Randy Danniel












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Re: Adventures in Finding Small Files—an update

Charles Peck
 

Bill, perhaps watchmakers use the terms differently but as a machinist, reamers and broaches work differently.
Both modify the size or shape of a hole but a reamer cuts with a rotary action. A broach is pushed or pulled
through a hole cutting in a linear fashion. 
At least this is true of all that I have used.  I now expect someone to come up with the exception.
Chuck Peck 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:15 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
​ 

As a bonus I have also seen some really small reamers or broaches using the term watchmakers use.


Bill Welch



Re: Adventures in Finding Small Files—an update

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

All…



I’ve purchased files from both McMaster-Carr and Otto Frei. I was easily able to look up my purchases at McMaster-Carr. I was also able to look up my past purchases at Otto Frei but they have changed the product numbers. I emailed them this morning asking for a cross reference but no one has gotten back to me yet.



Here is the email I started this morning:



I bought my everyday files from McMaster-Carr. (http://www.mcmaster.com/# ). Search for 4261A57 and you'll be looking at Swiss-made files made by Nicholson. In addition to the No. 0 file, I bought a No. 2 and a No. 4 which is the finest. I don't use the No. 2 that often. The No. 4 will give a smooth surface for working with styrene or resin but the No. 0 will cut faster. I also bought a round and half-round file from that same page of files, both No. 0 files. I haven’t used these files that much but remember that I like to buy tool.



I've also bought some Glardon-Vallorbe Swiss Escapement Files from Otto Frei (http://www.ottofrei.com/ ). These are really nice files but not as small as Bill wants. Search for



131.720 for the Equalling file 2 Medium

131.766 for the Three-Square file 2 Medium

131.715 for the Crossing File 4 Fine

131.746 for the Round file 6 Extra Fine



These product numbers are no longer valid but you might be able to find individual files with these specifications. Size-wise, the Equalling file (rectangle) is 5-1/2” long and the “file” portion of the file is 2” long. The blade is 3/16” wide and .3” thick.



Of these, I use the Equalling file (rectangle) and Round one the most.



Jack Burgess





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Adventures in Finding Small Files—an update








Just an update, based on suggestions from a couple of you I did go to the Otto Frei website. They actually had measurements of the actual file "blade" (What should I call this, showing my ignorance?) and what I saw seemed to be about the same size of those I already have. I kept going and found something called an "escapement" file and kept going using this term. I have contacted a couple of suppliers requesting measurements and will report on the results.



As a bonus I have also seen some really small reamers or broaches using the term watchmakers use.



Bill Welch


Re: Smaller Files

Charles Peck
 

Do any of the powered toothbrushes have a reciprocating action?  I'm thinking most are rotary but perhaps
there is an exception.  Then make an adapter for the file shank.  Ought to ease getting the flash out from 
between stockcar slats. (required freightcar content to appease the sheriff).
Chuck Peck


On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 2:09 PM, milepost206@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Rio Grande has 4" files and I have sourced many unusual tools from them, excellent suppplier
https://www.riogrande.com/search/go?w=micro+files

made for reciprocating handpiece but are short length diamond files
http://www.moldshoptools.com/catalog/list.php?category_id=152

Randy Danniel



Re: Anyone know the railroad that owns the flat car? Is it CT&SE?

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

Now that I look at it again, it looks more like CM...E than the CW I suggested this morning.


John Degnan



From: "Howard R Garner cascaderail@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 6:55:46 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Anyone know the railroad that owns the flat car? Is it CT&SE?

Odds are you are correct.
If you zoom in and look where they are standing on the right, you can
see reporting marks.  It appears to be CT....E
A check of the 1919 ORER show the CT&SE has a 40' flat series that this
car number matches.

Howard Garner

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Re: MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

Jack, 

 I'm not sure if this is the password you want, but in on the Staff Credits (page 2 or 3 depending on version) page, at the bottom is has the "Issue password." It's been a combination of the month and year every time I have noticed it. 


On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:07 PM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Sure...open the article in a pdf reader and note the start page and finish page numbers for the article in the pdf reader software. Then go to File/Print and under "Pages to Print", click on "Pages" and type in the pages you want printed...for that article it is pages 110-118. Then click on Print.

Unfortunately, I'd rather have the single article digitally saved. I tried the above technique but selected my "Adobe Printer" but passwords in the magazine prevent doing that.
Even if you have a full-blown Adobe Acrobat 9, you can't Extract or Delete pages either.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:46 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

Hi all,

First - thanks Jeff for providing the link to Richard Bale's article on hand brakes.

Question - is there no way to download/print one of the -articles- from MRH?
This particular article is an excellent example ... where I -need- the article in front of me is "at the work bench". There is just too much detailed info in this article for me to remember it all ... yes, I've read the article ...
yes, I know
how to get back to it (bookmarked!) ... but the next time I'm trying to select - and install - a brake wheel assembly I'm gonna be going from the work bench to the computer over and over again.
- Jim B.

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Adventures in Finding Small Files—an update

Bill Welch
 

Just an update, based on suggestions from a couple of you I did go to the Otto Frei website. They actually had measurements of the actual file "blade" (What should I call this, showing my ignorance?) and what I saw seemed to be about the same size of those I already have. I kept going and found something called an "escapement" file and kept going using this term. I have contacted a couple of suppliers requesting measurements and will report on the results.


As a bonus I have also seen some really small reamers or broaches using the term watchmakers use.


Bill Welch


Re: MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

SUVCWORR@...
 

If you are using Microsoft Windows 10  select the print icon (upper right) when the print page appears select pages  enter the number of the pages you want to copy.  Change from printer to microsoft print to pdf.  hit print locate the file where you and it and the name of the file.  Ok  you now have a pdf of only the pages you want.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2016 3:21 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)



Why not take screen grab photos of each page?

Bill Welch



Re: MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

Douglas Harding
 

I was able to save the Hand Brake article as a pdf. I opened the issue in question, selected print, put in just the pages I wanted, 110-118, then selected the Microsoft Print to PDF printer option in my list of printers. It created a nice 9 page 4.6mb size pdf of just the article on Hand Brakes.

 

Usually I use Photoshop Elements to open pdf’s for editing, but this magazine is a secured pdf and I don’t have the password to open it.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

 

 

Sure...open the article in a pdf reader and note the start page and finish page numbers for the article in the pdf reader software. Then go to File/Print and under "Pages to Print", click on "Pages" and type in the pages you want printed...for that article it is pages 110-118. Then click on Print.

Unfortunately, I'd rather have the single article digitally saved. I tried the above technique but selected my "Adobe Printer" but passwords in the magazine prevent doing that.
Even if you have a full-blown Adobe Acrobat 9, you can't Extract or Delete pages either.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:46 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

Hi all,

First - thanks Jeff for providing the link to Richard Bale's article on hand brakes.

Question - is there no way to download/print one of the -articles- from MRH?
This particular article is an excellent example ... where I -need- the article in front of me is "at the work bench". There is just too much detailed info in this article for me to remember it all ... yes, I've read the article ...
yes, I know
how to get back to it (bookmarked!) ... but the next time I'm trying to select - and install - a brake wheel assembly I'm gonna be going from the work bench to the computer over and over again.
- Jim B.

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Re: MRH as a Reference - No Downloads of Articles? (was Re: Hand brake nomenclature)

Bill Welch
 

Why not take screen grab photos of each page?

Bill Welch

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