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Re: Problems With Messages

Marty McGuirk
 

Wouldn't surprise me if Yahoo pulled the plugs on groups entirely. And I suspect if it happens it will be with little, if any, warning. 
 
If that did happen, I'm sure we'd all find one another eventually. The larger concern is what would happen to the tremendous repository of knowledge that's been collectively built up over the 14+ years this group has been active.
A while back we had some discussion that asked (I'm paraphrasing) -
"What would replace STMFC Yahoo group as a community platform?" and
"What would happen to the information currently on STMFC if Yahoo groups went away?"
As I recall, our esteemed administrator decided such a discussion, limited specifically to STMFC and not Yahoo in general, was within scope for STMFC -
But I'm not sure if we ever came up with any answers. 
 
Marty McGuirk
 
 


From: "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC"
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 1:20:43 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Problems With Messages

 

I moderate three Yahoo groups having a combined membership of over 3,000.


The last nine or ten days I have had numerous LONG delays posting my messages to my own groups as well as delays in posting to other groups.

Several messages have not appeared at all after 24 hours...still waiting.


I fear we are going to see increasingly bad service from Yahoo due to suspected cost-cutting (I have no proof) to offset poor earnings. The recent sale to Verizon probably will result in more bad service as Verizon seeks (and I cannot blame them as it's their money) a good return on their investment.


I have initiated discussions with the moderators of the larger Yahoo railroad groups to see if they are making plans to transition from Yahoo should problems increase. I am looking at alternatives for my groups.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars

al_brown03
 

There's a photo of NKP 22239, unfortunately partly obscured by steam, in RMJ 7/89, pp 8-10.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Problems With Messages

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I moderate three Yahoo groups having a combined membership of over 3,000.


The last nine or ten days I have had numerous LONG delays posting my messages to my own groups as well as delays in posting to other groups.

Several messages have not appeared at all after 24 hours...still waiting.


I fear we are going to see increasingly bad service from Yahoo due to suspected cost-cutting (I have no proof) to offset poor earnings. The recent sale to Verizon probably will result in more bad service as Verizon seeks (and I cannot blame them as it's their money) a good return on their investment.


I have initiated discussions with the moderators of the larger Yahoo railroad groups to see if they are making plans to transition from Yahoo should problems increase. I am looking at alternatives for my groups.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Been looking for a photo of this series with no luck. I'm building a Third Rail Graphics model for a friend. This is a Front Range double-door 40-footer, but based on the data printed on the model I seriously doubt the prototype is a match for it. I'm curious what doors, roof, and ends this series had. I've looked on line, in the Morning Sun color guide, and so on.

The N&W listing in the October 1965 ORER (I know, after this list's cutoff) says the series are "all steel, Z-bar" 40-foot boxcars with 10'0" inside height and 12'0" door openings. Not sure what is so special about Z-bar that it needs to be called out in the listing. Are these rebuilds of single-sheath boxcars?

thanks
Scott Chatfield


die-cast Magor side dump in HO

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I dug out my kit and it's a Magor made by "Authenticast" by Comet Metal Products of Rochelle Falls, NY.

The instructions have a reasonably clear pic of CV 4455 as a prototype. Until I put it together I can't tell you how close the model comes to that prototype, but it's in the ballpark.

Really need Western side dump model. Well, me and two or three other guys....

Scott Chatfield


Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?

Jack Mullen
 

Tim,
I don't believe this is a steel-sheathed car. I think the darkness of the image conceals the joints, which aren't very prominent on a well-maintained SS car anyway. There is a fairly obvious horizontal line visible near the top of the side, just below the level of the top ladder rung. 

I tentatively identify this as a T&P 61xxx series 40' SS auto car. There's some lettering on the door, at the very top of the image which I thing are reporting marks and car number. The upper part of the letters are cut off, but what's visible suggests that the first characters are T&P.  The  m arked capacity, 3720 cuft, matches the 61xxx series cars. Visible details of the doors, door stops, and side truss are a good match, and the T&P cars did have initials and number on the r.h. door above the placard board.

btw, this is my second attempt at sending this post, the first try sent but hasn't appeared. Anyone else having recent problems with posts going into limbo either temporarily or permanently?

Jack Mullen


Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?

Jack Mullen
 

I don't believe hat this is a steel-sheathed car. I think he darkness of the image tends to conceal board joints, but there is one fairly obvious horizontal line just below the level of the uppermost ladder rung.

I tentatively identify the car as a T&P 61xxx series 40' auto car. Lettering on the door, partly cut off at the top of the image suggests T&P reporting marks. The 3720 cu ft capacity marking matches this series of cars. What details are visible of the doors, door stops, side truss, and ladder are a match.

Jack Mullen


Re: NYC 499000 series flat

Bruce Smith
 

I believe that Kevin is referring to the 499030-34 and 499050-63 series (as well as B&A 17100-17104). The NYC drawings for these cars are available online at
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-561.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-699.jpg

I wrote the HO ECW model with a boiler load up in the inaugural issue of the NYC Modeler.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Aug 4, 2016, at 12:56 PM, STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi Kevin,

I have an image of the car NYC 499000 - as called out in the title line of your email - the image is dated 1924.

While it is a heavy duty flat car, it is NOT a depressed center car.

You may need to nail down the exact number series you are asking about, or perhaps nail down the time frame. Have you checked in an appropriate era ORER to get the full number series?

Claus Schlund






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Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 11:42 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] NYC 499000 series flat

Can anyone provide any info on the 90 ton depressed center cars on the NYC? I'm trying to find photos to show the data on the car. I have found a few photos but nothing I can make out clearly.

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry [cid:E2D5C887-DF48-4C1D-8F80-96242A29D4B2@...] [cid:43D0689A-ACEF-4BB4-874E-D89117DB99BC@...]


Re: NYC 499000 series flat

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"You may need to nail down the exact number series you are asking about, or perhaps nail down the time frame. Have you checked in an appropriate era ORER to get the full number series?"

NYC 499000-499009 (ex-NYC&HR 30260-30269), Lot 285-F, built SSC 1912, in service until 1944.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC 499000 series flat

csxt5555
 

Exact car number is 499027.


On Aug 4, 2016, at 1:56 PM, claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kevin,

I have an image of the car NYC 499000 - as called out in the title line of your email - the image is dated 1924.

While it is a heavy duty flat car, it is NOT a depressed center car.

You may need to nail down the exact number series you are asking about, or perhaps nail down the time frame. Have you checked in an appropriate era ORER to get the full number series?

Claus Schlund

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>Can anyone provide any info on the 90 ton depressed center cars on the NYC? I'm trying to find photos to show the data on the car. I have found a few photos but nothing I can make out clearly.
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>Thanks
>Kevin Sprayberry
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Re: NYC 499000 series flat

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Kevin,

I have an image of the car NYC 499000 - as called out in the title line of your email - the image is dated 1924.

While it is a heavy duty flat car, it is NOT a depressed center car.

You may need to nail down the exact number series you are asking about, or perhaps nail down the time frame. Have you checked in an appropriate era ORER to get the full number series?

Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Sprayberry csxt5555@... [STMFC] [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 11:42 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NYC 499000 series flat

Can anyone provide any info on the 90 ton depressed center cars on the NYC? I'm trying to find photos to show the data on the car. I have found a few photos but nothing I can make out clearly.

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry


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NYC 499000 series flat

csxt5555
 

Can anyone provide any info on the 90 ton depressed center cars on the NYC? I'm trying to find photos to show the data on the car. I have found a few photos but nothing I can make out clearly.

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry


Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?

MDelvec952
 



On many roads a star on the door or near the number on a baggage or express car would signify that the car was equipped for a messenger, and that someone may be on board.  We don't know the story behind this photo, but if the car was intended to carry any of those people in a passenger train (one does have a bed roll), that may be the case here. There is a camp car nearby.

On the Lackawanna steel cabooses a star near the number denoted a flush toilet. Might convey the same message, after all.

              ....Mike Del Vecchio



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stars On Boxcar Door?

 

The car appears to have steel side sheathing. The Southern Pacific
had single sheathed auto box cars built with steel sheathing, such as
the 50 foot A-50-10. But the posts and diagonals are closer together
than on that SP car, so I wonder if this is a 40 foot car.

Tim O'Connor



Bob,

I believe that the stars are a notation as to the type of automobile rack in the car. These marking usually denote the type of loader, the clearance and the number of floor tubes, but it is my understanding that custom markings could be used… and given the photo is relatively early in tthe auto rack era it may be before the general rules were created.

I love the script "autos" on the door… but I can't tell if it is a stencil or a challk mark.

Regards

Bruce F. Smith           


Does anyone know the meaning of the two stars on the boxcar door seen on this photo link?
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/8th-february-1936-a-large-group-of-transient-men-is-led-back-onto-a-picture-id3206074
Bob Chaparro


Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?

Tim O'Connor
 


The car appears to have steel side sheathing. The Southern Pacific
had single sheathed auto box cars built with steel sheathing, such as
the 50 foot A-50-10. But the posts and diagonals are closer together
than on that SP car, so I wonder if this is a 40 foot car.

Tim O'Connor



Bob,

I believe that the stars are a notation as to the type of automobile rack in the car. These marking usually denote the type of loader, the clearance and the number of floor tubes, but it is my understanding that custom markings could be used� and given the photo is relatively early in tthe auto rack era it may be before the general rules were created.

I love the script "autos" on the door� but I can't tell if it is a stencil or a challk mark.

Regards

Bruce F. Smith           


Does anyone know the meaning of the two stars on the boxcar door seen on this photo link?
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/8th-february-1936-a-large-group-of-transient-men-is-led-back-onto-a-picture-id3206074
Bob Chaparro


Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

Rufus Cone
 

Jack Parker, who designed and produced the NP stock car, was a serious NP fan and active participant in NPRHA. He in fact used both of the cars Dennis mentioned as references when the car was produced.

You can be confident that the underframe and other details represent the actual car, with the exception of the car width, which has been discussed before and for which NPRHA provides substitute ends.

--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I believe that the stars are a notation as to the type of automobile rack in the car. These marking usually denote the type of loader, the clearance and the number of floor tubes, but it is my understanding that custom markings could be used… and given the photo is relatively early in the auto rack era it may be before the general rules were created.

I love the script “autos” on the door… but I can’t tell if it is a stencil or a chalk mark.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Aug 3, 2016, at 10:29 AM, STMFC@... wrote:
Does anyone know the meaning of the two stars on the boxcar door seen on this photo link? 
I cannot determine the owner of the boxcar.
The caption reads, "A large group of transient men is led back onto a train boxcar to send them away from Los Angeles, California. They had arrived in California by riding in the freight boxcars on February 8th, 1936."
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro


Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?

Eric Hansmann
 

Do those stars indicate the type of auto rack installed in the box car?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:29 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Stars On Boxcar Door?

 




Does anyone know the meaning of the two stars on the boxcar door seen on this photo link?

 

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/8th-february-1936-a-large-group-of-transient-men-is-led-back-onto-a-picture-id3206074

 

I cannot determine the owner of the boxcar.

 

The caption reads, "A large group of transient men is led back onto a train boxcar to send them away from Los Angeles, California. They had arrived in California by riding in the freight boxcars on February 8th, 1936."

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

Steve SANDIFER
 

The crossmembers of the kit match up with the rivets very well.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:26 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

 

 

 



---In STMFC@..., <PARDIEW001@...> wrote :

I have not had any success in finding the layout of the structural underframe of the Northern Pacific stock car from Central Valley.
I have , however, learned that there are at least two of these cars in railroad museums. One is at the Northwest Railway Museum
in Snoqualmie, Washington and the other is at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, Minisota. Hopedfully someone
on this list lives in the general vacinity of one of these museums and would be kind enough to shoot a few photos of the car's
underframe.

Any help would be appreciated.

Billl Pardie

Here's a hint... remember I said that many / most steam era freightcar underframes DID NOT have the crossbearers in line with the side posts? Well, those crossbearers still need to be attached to the side sills, and the attachment rivets on the sill are a dead giveaway as to their location. Take a look at these two pix:
NP 82995

image

NP 82995

NP 82995 NP 82995 at Hardin, MT

Preview by Yahoo

NP 83099

 See the pairs of rivets on the sill in the first and second panels out from the door? These are undoubtedly the attachment points for the cross bearers, just as the pair in the last panel, next to the post, are the attachment for the body bolster, the rivets for the edge toward the center of the car are hidden by the post. These are a feature you'll find on almost all steam era freightcars, because at the time welded fabrication was uncommon.

 

Given the location of these rivets, the CV crossbearer location appears to be correct:

http://www.cvmw.com/imagecvmw/1001album/image/690_cv_1000_und2bw.jpg

 

  Now the only question is are the crossbeares / cross ties the correct shape, and since CV went to the pains of making them different, I'd guess they had some reference material to work with.

 

I will be up at the Lake Superior railway museum in late September. If the car is accessible, I'll see what I can do for pix.

 

Dennis Storzek

 

 

 

 


Stars On Boxcar Door?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Does anyone know the meaning of the two stars on the boxcar door seen on this photo link?

 

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/8th-february-1936-a-large-group-of-transient-men-is-led-back-onto-a-picture-id3206074

 

I cannot determine the owner of the boxcar.

 

The caption reads, "A large group of transient men is led back onto a train boxcar to send them away from Los Angeles, California. They had arrived in California by riding in the freight boxcars on February 8th, 1936."

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: NORTHERN PACIFIC 82990 SEREIES STOCK CAR

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <PARDIEW001@...> wrote :

I have not had any success in finding the layout of the structural underframe of the Northern Pacific stock car from Central Valley.
I have , however, learned that there are at least two of these cars in railroad museums. One is at the Northwest Railway Museum
in Snoqualmie, Washington and the other is at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, Minisota. Hopedfully someone
on this list lives in the general vacinity of one of these museums and would be kind enough to shoot a few photos of the car's
underframe.

Any help would be appreciated.

Billl Pardie

Here's a hint... remember I said that many / most steam era freightcar underframes DID NOT have the crossbearers in line with the side posts? Well, those crossbearers still need to be attached to the side sills, and the attachment rivets on the sill are a dead giveaway as to their location. Take a look at these two pix:
NP 82995NP 83099

 See the pairs of rivets on the sill in the first and second panels out from the door? These are undoubtedly the attachment points for the cross bearers, just as the pair in the last panel, next to the post, are the attachment for the body bolster, the rivets for the edge toward the center of the car are hidden by the post. These are a feature you'll find on almost all steam era freightcars, because at the time welded fabrication was uncommon.


Given the location of these rivets, the CV crossbearer location appears to be correct:

http://www.cvmw.com/imagecvmw/1001album/image/690_cv_1000_und2bw.jpg


  Now the only question is are the crossbeares / cross ties the correct shape, and since CV went to the pains of making them different, I'd guess they had some reference material to work with.


I will be up at the Lake Superior railway museum in late September. If the car is accessible, I'll see what I can do for pix.


Dennis Storzek


 


 

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