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Re: What Are These Folks Doing?
Bob,
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 12:16 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] What Are These Folks Doing? This is a link to a photo from the Kansas State Historical Society:
http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/218115/page/1
It shows workmen engaged in some activity along a string of boxcars and racks of lumber spaced out along the cars. The caption notes that this is conditioning yard at Clovis, New Mexico.
My initial thoughts are that the cars are being prepared for grain doors or that car interiors are being refurbished. The lack of used, broken boards on the ground probably weights against refurbishing.
Can anyone make an educated guess as to what actually is the activity?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: For that special breed of modeler who enjoys tank car underframes
thecitrusbelt@...
What a great detail photo, especially when enlarged. Did anyone notice that the Chicago & Northwestern boxcar had a CMO reporting mark? I assume that is the Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis & Omaha Railway Company. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: For that special breed of modeler who enjoys tank car underframes
al_brown03
I enjoy tank-car underframes very much ... let's see: Judging from the sill steps and lack of end or side sills, built by General American? Three drains: three compartments. Bleed rod comes straight across, over the reservoir: AB valve must be buried, straight opposite the reservoir. I'm sure others can spot more. Y'all have fun, now, hear? Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Circles in Plastic Castings
Dennis Storzek
---In STMFC@..., <chris_hillman@...> wrote : Thanks Schuyler, ---- So THAT'S what they're from. Strange thing is many
other hoppers & other cars show no signs of these markings, at least not in
clearly visible areas. Either the other cars were ejected differently, or the
Proto 2000 (and others) were ejected too soon when the plastic was still too
soft ??? Paul Hillman ================ Where the ejector pin prints end up is dictated by how the mold designer orients the part in the mold. There have been many molds built over the years, and each designer has to weigh all his options, then make what he feels are the best choices. Aside from where the ejector pins will go, the other consideration is where the plastic will be injected into the part, the "sprue" and "gate". Unless this is a really complicated mold, the "E pins" will always be on the side opposite the gate. If you want the pin prints to be on the underside of the slope sheets, that means the gate needs to be in the center of the interior of the part, which either puts it on the cross ridge, or the centersill over the center hopper on a triple. In addition, it puts the gate deep into the part, which means a long sprue. Since sprues need to be tapered, the longer it is, the bigger the scar it leaves on the part. Heated sprue bushings can allow a "pin point" gate, but accommodating the heated bushing in the narrow confines of the core that makes the car interior becomes problematic. The other way to design things is to orient the part so the gate is on the underside, between the hoppers. This puts the e-pins on the slope sheets, but since the slope sheets are the traditional location for car weights, they can be covered by separate slope sheet parts. Indented pin prints are not from ejecting the part too hot, but is rather intentional to make little seats so the part stays on the pin ends and comes out of the mold straight, without dragging a detailed surface on part of the mold. It also helps insure that the pin prints don't stand above the surrounding surface and form shallow bumps that get in the way of other parts. Ejector pins in the typical mold for an HO scale body are somewhere about 6" or 7" long, and change length relative to the rest of the mold as the mold temperature changes, so a perfect match is seldom possible. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Circles in Plastic Castings
Paul Hillman
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Thanks Schuyler, ---- So THAT'S what they're from. Strange thing is many
other hoppers & other cars show no signs of these markings, at least not in
clearly visible areas. Either the other cars were ejected differently, or the
Proto 2000 (and others) were ejected too soon when the plastic was still too
soft ???
Paul Hillman
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DL&W yard and distant freight cars - 1911
Schuyler Larrabee
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-07-16/B0798.jpg et seq.
This image plus the few after this one show a LARGE number of steam era freight cars in 1911, way before the transition era, but still very interesting. Since these are glass plate negatives, the resolution is quite sharp even when zoomed way in.
Check out the loads in both the open topped cars and the hoppers. Not all coal is the same, even in two cars coupled together. All the coal you see, though, is most likely Anthracite, just in different sizes.
Enjoy!
Schuyler
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What Are These Folks Doing?
thecitrusbelt@...
This is a link to a photo from the Kansas State Historical Society:
http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/218115/page/1
It shows workmen engaged in some activity along a string of boxcars and racks of lumber spaced out along the cars. The caption notes that this is conditioning yard at Clovis, New Mexico.
My initial thoughts are that the cars are being prepared for grain doors or that car interiors are being refurbished. The lack of used, broken boards on the ground probably weights against refurbishing.
Can anyone make an educated guess as to what actually is the activity?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Circles in Plastic Castings
Schuyler Larrabee
They are caused by ejector pins. Moldings don’t automatically eject from the dies and have to be pushed out. I agree they can be a pain, especially in older dies where you can find flash standing normal to the surface, which has to be shaved off.
Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 12:44 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Circles in Plastic Castings Just a question here. Nothing we can do about it except fill them in but, why are there small circular holes or impressions in various plastic castings? They can't be for material-flow in the casting process ??? As example, I have several Proto 2000 War Emerg. hoppers (and other kits) with these holes in the interior slope sheets, etc. Will have to file/fill them in. Just curious. What are they really for? Would be nice if they weren't there. Thanks, Paul Hillman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Circles in Plastic Castings
At 09:43 AM 8/7/2016, chris_hillman@... [STMFC] wrote:
Just a question here. Nothing we can do about it except fill them in but, why are there small circular holes or impressions in various plastic castings? They can't be for material-flow in the casting process ???Ejector pins... without them... it would be extremely difficult to get the warm injected part out of a complex mold. Description at: https://www.protolabs.com/resources/injection-molding-design-tips/united-states/2010-06/ -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
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Circles in Plastic Castings
Paul Hillman
Just a question here. Nothing we can do about it except fill them in but, why are there small circular holes or impressions in various plastic castings? They can't be for material-flow in the casting process ??? As example, I have several Proto 2000 War Emerg. hoppers (and other kits) with these holes in the interior slope sheets, etc. Will have to file/fill them in. Just curious. What are they really for? Would be nice if they weren't there. Thanks, Paul Hillman
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Oiling ballast
Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
Re. the recent discussion about oiling ballast, there is a
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FW: More New Tichy Train Group Decals (all scales)
Aley, Jeff A
FYI.
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All are in stock. 10013 WESTERN ASPHALT 10000 GAL TANK 10020 CDLX 10000 GAL TANK 10031 L&N USRA HOPPER (KITS 4027 & 4029) 10032 NYC USRA HOPPER (KITS 4027 & 4029) 10033 ERIE USRA HOPPER (KITS 4027 & 4029) 10034 VIRGINIAN USRA HOPPER (KITS 4027 & 4029) 10035 P&LE USRA REBUILT BOXCAR 9kit 4028) 10036 PMK&Y USRA 46' GONDOLA 10037 NYC USRA 46' GONDOLA 10038 NYC 42' DROP BOTTOM GONDOLA 10039 CDLX 8000 GAL ASPHALT TANK 10040 TA&G 50' DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR 10041 TA&G 40' SINGLE DOOR BOXCAR 10042 HEYDEN CHEMICAL 8000 GAL FORMALDEHYDE TANK 10043 SUNRAY 10000 GAL LPG TANK 10044 WARREN 8000 GAL GASOLINE TANK 10045 ANCHOR 10000 GAL LPG TANK 10046 ASSOCIATED 8000 GAL TANK 10047 GAS-OIL PRODUCTS 8000 GAL LPG TANK 10048 NATIONAL OIL 8000 GAL TANK 10049 PENNSYLVANIA SALT 8000 GAL CAUSTIC SODA TANK 10050 DOW CHEMICAL 10000 GAL TANK 10051 COLUMBIAN GASOLINE 8000 GAL TANK 10052 SP RR TANK CARS BLACK LETTERING 10053 SP RR TANK CARS WHITE LETTERING 10054 DL&W 40' STEEL BOXCAR NO LOGO 10055 DL&W 40' STEEL BOXCAR PHOEBE SNOW 10056 DL&W 40' STEEL BOXCAR PHOEBE SNOW 10057 DL&W 40' STEEL BOXCAR PHOEBE SNOW 10058 DL&W 40' STEEL BOXCAR NO LOGO 10059 DL&W 40' STEEL BOXCAR PHOEBE SNOW 10060 WEST INDIA FRUIT & STEAMSHIP CO 40' BOXCAR 10061 GEORGIA RR 40' STEEL BOXCAR 10062 WESTERN RY OF ALABAMA 40' STEEL BOXCAR 10063 ATLANTA & WEST POINT RR 40' STEEL BOXCAR 10064 WESTERN RY OF ALABAMA 40' STEEL BOXCAR 10065 ATLANTA & WEST POINT RR 40' STEEL BOXCAR 10066 ARMOUR 40' STEEL REFRIGERATOR HERE ARE LINKS BY SCALE, THEN CLICK ROAD NAME OR CAR TYPE. 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Re: FLAT CAR HAND BRAKE QUESTION
I have progressive view photos of a Reading gondola with drop vertical brake
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shaft if interested contact me off the list. Rich Y
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 3:34 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] FLAT CAR HAND BRAKE QUESTION Does anyone have any information on the mechanics of the drop shaft handbrakes used on flat cars? MY 1943 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows the front portion of his devise but I am curious as to how the chain couples to this. Is ther a second geared shaft behind the main shaft that is geared and wraps up the chain? The front photos do not sem to leave much room for wrapping the chain on th shaft. As usual thanks in advance for any help. b Bill Pardie ------------------------------------ Posted by: WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links
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1920s lettering
Eric Hansmann
A few HO scale box cars were recently lettered for service on the Wheeling Freight Terminal. Most of the models illustrate the different lettering guidelines of the 1920s. Check out the details on the DesignBuildOp blog.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/08/06/decals-and-lettering/
Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX
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Re: Stars On Boxcar Door?
Charles Hladik
All,
It also looks like there are "braces" along the
side.
Chuck Hladik
In a message dated 8/6/2016 1:07:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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For that special breed of modeler who enjoys tank car underframes
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
For that special breed of modeler who enjoys tank car underframes... http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF;x=10;y=14;width=9999;height=9600;res=0;view=image Imgae is dated 1951 Claus Schlund
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Re: Weathered box cars
Eric Hansmann
Chuck,
I use paper stock for the route cards and placards on the models. Plain newsprint is cut into narrow strips about four inches wide. Small squares are cut from the strip and these are carefully placed on a small dot of canopy glue that has been applied to the model with a toothpick. I also use Post-it note material that is a buff or yellow shade.
For the partial cards, place a single edge razor blade at an angle over a short section. Place the blade flat on the cutting surface and pull the narrow paper strip up to tear the paper and leave a partial piece under the blade. I’ve noticed a variety of partial cards spread across wood sheathed cars. I model 1926 and much of the box car fleet will be wood sheathed, so there will be many partial cards on my models.
These details were inspired by Tony Thompson’s great blog posts on these details. After reading his latest few posts, I feel I should mark some with numbers or letters before cutting them from the paper strips. Here’s his latest piece on the route cards. http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2016/07/route-cards-part-13-other-examples.html
These are very easy details to add to models. As Tony points out in a few of his posts, steel cars had a specific route card holder along the sill so the cards would be restricted to those placement spots.
Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 2:43 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Weathered box cars
Great job Eric. Could you explain what you use for route tags? Do you just make them yourself? Thanks
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars
pennsylvania1954
As Tim suggested, I went to the RMJ issues he cited. Although I have the issues on the shelf, in the midst of lunch, I elected to go online to
https://www.trainlife.com/ . What a surprise! The good guys at Exactrail have been busy, taking over ownership of the site, creating online and brick and mortar stores and maintaining the magazine database. They have lots of plans. I recommend y'all check it out. Oh, yeah. The photos of the subject cars don't show much. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL
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Tichy (former Jerry Glow) NEW DECALS
Andy Carlson
STMFC'ers- I am offering any of these decals, which are mentioned as all being in stock, to list members. Take 20% off of list. Modest shipping charges will be assessed. I accept checks and money orders. for a small fee I also accept PayPal. Please contact me off-list, if interested. Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA 
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Re: NKP 22000-22349 series boxcars
Kenneth Schanz
Per the NKPHTS Company Store the Summer 2005 issue of their magazine has an article titled ... By Any Other Name by Peter K. Shepherd; on the 22000's. Includes 10/23/29 builders photos of 22249 and an additional view of 22341. Ken Schanz
On Saturday, August 6, 2016 1:59 PM, "Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC]" wrote: >>Double-sheathed rebuilds with a fairly deep inset sill. Z-bar callout was for the roof eave. Sunshine did the 10'6" rebuilds: >>http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun64b.pdf >>David Thompson
Nope: 22000-22349, and 22350-22499 (with end doors). All-steel boxcars built by Standard Steel in 1929. These were the first all-steel freight cars bought new by the NKP, and are vaguely similar to 1932 ARA boxcars. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL _
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