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Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Hi Dick

It's only taken us 70 years since 1946 to get it right ! :-)

I suppose in 2050 modelers of 1980 will finally be getting correct
decals for their cars... :-|

Tim O'



Tim & All,

The lettering and shape of the 1946 version of the UP medallion from Champ is way off the mark.  The medallions on Microscale's current version of 87-414 are vastly superior.  There are some minor flaws in the rest of that sheet, but the medallions are pretty darn good.

And now that the word is public knowledge, there is a new book coming in the next month from the SPH&TS on SP and PFE freight car painting and lettering.  The title focuses on the SP, but over 40% of the book is about PFE.  And yes, I do have a biased opinion.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

Dick Harley
 

Tim & All,

The lettering and shape of the 1946 version of the UP medallion from Champ is way off the mark. The medallions on Microscale's current version of 87-414 are vastly superior. There are some minor flaws in the rest of that sheet, but the medallions are pretty darn good.

And now that the word is public knowledge, there is a new book coming in the next month from the SPH&TS on SP and PFE freight car painting and lettering. The title focuses on the SP, but over 40% of the book is about PFE. And yes, I do have a biased opinion.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: Interesting train, November 14, 1953.

Tim O'Connor
 

Hi Aaron

others:

  Pere Marquette
  Baltimore & Ohio
  Southern Pacific
  Delaware Lackawanna & Western
  Milwaukee Road

My first encounter with the MC was in the 1960's when Richard Steinheimer's
"Backwoods Railroads of the West" was published.

http://brasstrains.sirv.com/products/046463/DSC04334.jpg

Tim O'Connor



 Jim Dick has dug up a very interesting photo of a Midland Continental train, from November, 1953.  This RR was a short line in North Dakota, with less than 70 miles of track, and owned no fright cars of its own at this date. 
  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Midland%20Continental%20Railroad%20of%20North%20Dakota/
 There are five x29s in the first 18 cars, including one in Merchandise Service. 
 At least two more PRR cars are further back in the train.
 Is the 20th car back, a ATSF rebuild, with "The Grand Canyon Line" slogan?
 Cars 24 and 25 are Soo stock cars.
 How many more of the cars in this train can be identified?
 Aaron Gjermundson


Re: GACX covered hopper upgrade

Eric Mumper
 

Steve,

I can try to describe this and hope I can make this clear.  This is for HO scale.  There are a total of 12 little bits of styrene used to make these and I will refer to the sizes by letter code:

a:  0.010" x 0.040"
b:  0.020" x 0.020"
c:  0.010" x 0.020"
d:  0.010" x 0.030"
e:  0.030" x 0.100"

The bar between the hoppers is a 6' 6" piece of e.  Cut about a real 1" length of a, 2 of b, and 2 of d.  Glue a piece of b on either side of a.  Then glue a piece of d on top of each piece of b.  This will create the keyhole shape by lining the outer edge of b and d.  Cut this assembly to 0.100" long and glue to the middle of e.  Cut 2 pieces of c slightly longer than 0.100" and glue to either side of the keyhole shape.  Use a PBL nipper and trim c to length.  Using a machinists square block (correct term?) to hold the assembly, add a piece of c upright on either side of the assembly on top of the other piece of c.  Use a PBL nipper to cut this to 45 degrees once dry, then turn the assembly around and do it to the other side.  A little thin super glue will hide any joints and make the assembly look like a casting.

This took a bit of patience and some will not come out right.  When I asked the group about these before, Dennis Storzek provided a link of modern vibrator castings which allowed me to get a good feel of how these should look.  That was in message 138091 posted October 2, 2015.

Eric Mumper


Interesting train, November 14, 1953.

npin53
 


Jim Dick has dug up a very interesting photo of a Midland Continental train, from November, 1953.  This RR was a short line in North Dakota, with less than 70 miles of track, and owned no fright cars of its own at this date. 

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Midland%20Continental%20Railroad%20of%20North%20Dakota/

 

There are five x29’s in the first 18 cars, including one in Merchandise Service. 


At least two more PRR cars are further back in the train.


Is the 20th car back, a ATSF rebuild, with ‘The Grand Canyon Line’ slogan?


Cars 24 and 25 are Soo stock cars.


How many more of the cars in this train can be identified?


 

Aaron Gjermundson

 



Collinsville photos posted

dh30973
 

St Louis Collinsville 2016 by David Hussey


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Re: Collinsville Clinics

water.kresse@...
 

For historical subjects, like branchlines or specific operations being serviced, or a bracketed group of freight cars, I've found 60-65 slides nicely fills a 55 minute presentation and interrupting Q&As.  I carry  a stick with a low-res PDF of the PPT for those few who are modeling the specific area covered.  Good handouts, on 11 x 17 paper, in big print minimize questions also.

Al Kresse


From: "'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:23:06 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Collinsville Clinics

 

I used to do multimage slide shows for non-profits. The rule of thumb with them was that nothing was to be on the screen more than 7 seconds. Unless there is text to read, you have it all in less than 7 seconds. Check out a 30 second spot on TV and see how many different clips are used in 30 seconds. I would use 160 slides in a 12 minute 2 projector program.

 

I am not saying we can do that in our clinics, but that is what our minds are trained to absorb by our current media society.

 

And about that nodding off, don't worry about it too much. At our age, turn off the lights and we fall asleep regardless of the subject or the presenter. I have seen wonderful folks fall asleep in 5 minutes of a super well done clinic.

 

And besides, where do you find 100 good photos of a steam era freight car?

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 9:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Collinsville Clinics

 

 

I think all the responses have had good points to presenters. I want to comment a bit on the meat of the subject, the material on the screen. I take mental notes of what works and don’t while attending a clinic. The best way to judge is watching to see how many heads droop while the lights are out. Seems the longer a slide is on the screen the more heads start to droop. Martin Lofton told me to use 40 slides when he invited me to speak at N’ville the first time. I prefer to use 100-125. Some are only on the screen a few seconds - 2-3, you snooze you loose, blink and you miss it. I also try to vary the subject, not just talking about box cars, but throw some other types in between (group content). Animation also grabs the viewers attention.

I’ve been working on the clinic I’m planning for N’ville since last winter. Matter of fact, I scrapped the first one I was excited about because I couldn’t make it ‘flow’ the way I wanted and decided to use a completely different subject. I should do a clinic on doing a clinic because I bet so far I’ve added and/or replaced 50 slides in this one. Some were drawings I spend quite a bit of time on that just didn’t ‘fit’ as the thing evolved. A big problem I have and feel bad about is I’ll build a presentation when I’m excited about a subject and loose interest by the time it is to be given and am not as prepared as I’d like to be when the time comes.

I wish Mike Skibbe well and am anxious to see the revived Naperville...I know they call it something else now, but railroaders and historians are traditionalists.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



Re: Collinsville Clinics

Steve SANDIFER
 

I used to do multimage slide shows for non-profits. The rule of thumb with them was that nothing was to be on the screen more than 7 seconds. Unless there is text to read, you have it all in less than 7 seconds. Check out a 30 second spot on TV and see how many different clips are used in 30 seconds. I would use 160 slides in a 12 minute 2 projector program.

 

I am not saying we can do that in our clinics, but that is what our minds are trained to absorb by our current media society.

 

And about that nodding off, don't worry about it too much. At our age, turn off the lights and we fall asleep regardless of the subject or the presenter. I have seen wonderful folks fall asleep in 5 minutes of a super well done clinic.

 

And besides, where do you find 100 good photos of a steam era freight car?

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 9:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Collinsville Clinics

 

 

I think all the responses have had good points to presenters. I want to comment a bit on the meat of the subject, the material on the screen. I take mental notes of what works and don’t while attending a clinic. The best way to judge is watching to see how many heads droop while the lights are out. Seems the longer a slide is on the screen the more heads start to droop. Martin Lofton told me to use 40 slides when he invited me to speak at N’ville the first time. I prefer to use 100-125. Some are only on the screen a few seconds - 2-3, you snooze you loose, blink and you miss it. I also try to vary the subject, not just talking about box cars, but throw some other types in between (group content). Animation also grabs the viewers attention.

I’ve been working on the clinic I’m planning for N’ville since last winter. Matter of fact, I scrapped the first one I was excited about because I couldn’t make it ‘flow’ the way I wanted and decided to use a completely different subject. I should do a clinic on doing a clinic because I bet so far I’ve added and/or replaced 50 slides in this one. Some were drawings I spend quite a bit of time on that just didn’t ‘fit’ as the thing evolved. A big problem I have and feel bad about is I’ll build a presentation when I’m excited about a subject and loose interest by the time it is to be given and am not as prepared as I’d like to be when the time comes.

I wish Mike Skibbe well and am anxious to see the revived Naperville...I know they call it something else now, but railroaders and historians are traditionalists.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: YET ANOTHER QUESTION

brianleppert@att.net
 

Bill, ATSF Ga-61 #176695 is at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA.  However, I do not know if its location is accessible to the public.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

 

They look great to me. Please post if and when you have pictures of them painted!





Thanks!
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Yesterday I finished the first five of eight PFE R-70-2 reefers which I built for friend. Models are resin kits by Sunshine Models and I was not very lucky with included parts and materials. Many parts must be replaced and added however I received good looking models.
After a first "prototytype model" I had to make some small changes and now the owner of models is very lucky with the result. Another friend will realice the painting but not before all eight models are built.

Look here a gallery on my website where I documented a lot of working steps and the finished models.

Galerie – PFE Reefers (english captions)

Galerie – PFE Reefers (english captions) The gallery to description: - PFE reefers R-70-2 – the “Super Giants” - Return to >>> description Zurück zur Galerie mit deutschen Bildtexten.
View on us-modelsof1900.de
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Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Dear Modelsof1900 (?)

Be wary of the decals included with the Sunshine R-70-2. I substituted Champ
decals "super set" for PFE when I decaled my model. Many of the included decals
were the wrong size, or had other errors. (It was years ago so I don't recall
exactly what was wrong with them.) There are improved Microscale sets out there
now as well, and probably others as well (Tichy? Speedwitch?)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/24923631800/

Tim O'Connor



Yesterday I finished the first five of eight PFE R-70-2 reefers which I built for friend. Models are resin kits by Sunshine Models and I was not very lucky with included parts and materials. Many parts must be replaced and added however I received good looking models. After a first "prototytype model" I had to make some small changes and now the owner of models is very lucky with the result. Another friend will realice the painting but not before all eight models are built.


Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

Bernhard Schroeter
 

Yesterday I finished the first five of eight PFE R-70-2 reefers which I built for friend. Models are resin kits by Sunshine Models and I was not very lucky with included parts and materials. Many parts must be replaced and added however I received good looking models.
After a first "prototytype model" I had to make some small changes and now the owner of models is very lucky with the result. Another friend will realice the painting but not before all eight models are built.

Look here a gallery on my website where I documented a lot of working steps and the finished models.

Galerie – PFE Reefers (english captions)


Re: Collinsville Clinics

Clark Propst
 

I think all the responses have had good points to presenters. I want to comment a bit on the meat of the subject, the material on the screen. I take mental notes of what works and don’t while attending a clinic. The best way to judge is watching to see how many heads droop while the lights are out. Seems the longer a slide is on the screen the more heads start to droop. Martin Lofton told me to use 40 slides when he invited me to speak at N’ville the first time. I prefer to use 100-125. Some are only on the screen a few seconds - 2-3, you snooze you loose, blink and you miss it. I also try to vary the subject, not just talking about box cars, but throw some other types in between (group content). Animation also grabs the viewers attention.
I’ve been working on the clinic I’m planning for N’ville since last winter. Matter of fact, I scrapped the first one I was excited about because I couldn’t make it ‘flow’ the way I wanted and decided to use a completely different subject. I should do a clinic on doing a clinic because I bet so far I’ve added and/or replaced 50 slides in this one. Some were drawings I spend quite a bit of time on that just didn’t ‘fit’ as the thing evolved. A big problem I have and feel bad about is I’ll build a presentation when I’m excited about a subject and loose interest by the time it is to be given and am not as prepared as I’d like to be when the time comes.
I wish Mike Skibbe well and am anxious to see the revived Naperville...I know they call it something else now, but railroaders and historians are traditionalists.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Collinsville (St. Louis) RPM

tyesac@...
 

Jared,

Gee, Perhaps you're having "clinic withdrawal" symptoms from the Wichita convention!

Tom Casey

I wish  there had been more clinics on more topics.  This year there weren't many clinics of interest to me.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Clark,

I wasn't there either but I was on the phone with Lonnie half the time. The last attendance figure I got was on Saturday--460, but I need to pin Lonnie down and get some more details.

We had 23,000 sq. ft. and no *bleep* I think we could use another 5,000. From the pictures I saw it was STILL too crowded.

I'm glad to hear you guys had a great time! I was running around the house at 11 p.m. on Friday night so excited that I couldn't sleep, and I wasn't even there.

John

John Golden
Albersbach, DE



-----Original Message-----
From: harperandbrown@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:08 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Collinsville (St. Louis) RPM

 

I wish  there had been more clinics on more topics.  This year there weren't many clinics of interest to me.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Clark,

I wasn't there either but I was on the phone with Lonnie half the time. The last attendance figure I got was on Saturday--460, but I need to pin Lonnie down and get some more details.

We had 23,000 sq. ft. and no *bleep* I think we could use another 5,000. From the pictures I saw it was STILL too crowded.

I'm glad to hear you guys had a great time! I was running around the house at 11 p.m. on Friday night so excited that I couldn't sleep, and I wasn't even there.

John

John Golden
Albersbach, DE


Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

Bernhard Schroeter
 

Brain,

click this link for a complete gallery with captions in English - Galerie – PFE Reefers (english captions)

 

or read a description in my blog on MRH - http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/23377.
Thanks for your interest!


Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

 

Any chance of this site in English?





Thanks!
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After all these discussions from my friend Johannes here the next kits are on their way, to turn into models.

http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/pfe-r70-reefer/pfe-r70-supergiant-12k.jpg

http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/pfe-r70...
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The first one ...



http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/pfe-r70-reefer/pfe-r70-supergiant-20k.jpg

http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/pfe-r70...
View on us-modelsof1900.de
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... and its four followers. They all will be built in same manner (after the wish of my friend) beside of small improvements.



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Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

Bernhard Schroeter
 

After all these discussions from my friend Johannes here the next kits are on their way, to turn into models.

http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/pfe-r70-reefer/pfe-r70-supergiant-12k.jpg

The first one ...


http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/pfe-r70-reefer/pfe-r70-supergiant-20k.jpg

... and its four followers. They all will be built in same manner (after the wish of my friend) beside of small improvements.


Sorry, this is only a copy of the post that I must delete because the folders on my server were renamed. A new post will follow.


ADMIN: SPAM

Aley, Jeff A
 

Folks,

 

                I am aware of the two SPAM messages allegedly from Charles Whitlach’s email account.  They have been deleted from the archives, and Charles’ account is now being Moderated.

 

                There is nothing more to see here.  Please move along.

 

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Collinsville Clinics

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Nobody has mentioned audibility as an important presenter skill. Among the things NOT to do are sitting behind the projector and talking to the screen in a monotone voice. Those sitting behind the speaker who does this miss a lot and go to sleep. Another sin is failure to use the mic and then speak in a low drone. If you’re sitting in the front row and can’t hear the speaker over the projector fan, why bother to attend his clinic. I agree with Doug’s assessment of the presentation skills of Bill and Clark. Both of these gentlemen present an informative and entertaining clinic, plus Bill provides wine and chocolate for those so inclined.

 

So, use the mic unless you have impeccable diction and a booming voice, and engage the audience, which means eye contact to get visual cues. Wine and chocolate are optional.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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