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Re: Floquil Paint cap removal

 

Running HOT water over a metal bottle lid will cause the metal to expand and will usually release the lid.

 

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Re: Data on AB air reservoir

Randy Hees
 

The lettering is the latest air brake test...  As others have noted it would be too small to be legible on a model, but for preservation its a wealth of information about the car's regular inspections, so we sand carefully down through the layers recording the information found, typically a date and location, with the lack of a current date showing  any periods when stored, so no air brake test, or when the last test was preformed.

From the late steam era, it was called a COTS for "Clean, Oil, Test, Stencil"  (with a date) Currently, (beyond the dates that this group covers) it has become a "Single Car Air Test" and is simply stenciled "ABT" and a date.   Current rules call for a test based on miles, with a test every two years if the car doesn't get used much.

Randy Hees



Re: Data on AB air reservoir

Craig Zeni
 

On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:43 AM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

3a. Data on AB air reservoir
Posted by: fred@janszholding.nl fredwpjansz
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2016 2:38 pm ((PDT))

Hi group, I'm building a few PFE reefers and noticed the data on the AB brake air reservoirs of the prototype. Unfortunately I can't read it. What does it say and is something like that available in a HO-scale decal? As far as I can tell there's nothing like that on the Microscale 501 & 414 PFE sets. Thanks for your assistance.
best regards
Fred Jansz
I use an extra set of repack data cut to the 'size' I want. I seem to recall that Richard Hendrickson used some sort of generic N scale data on them - no doubt Tony will comment. In any case it's pretty much going illegible and if I have friends that call me on it...I might need new friends :)

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Floquil Paint cap removal

mwbpequod
 

This is of course, in part, by design.  The stock caps met "adequate" for sales and shipping, but were the bare minimum to do so minimizing costs.  If I could could find a compatible cap with a PPE conical compression seal, I'd toss all of the original metal caps in the trash.  I'm sure that something like that exists, but I have yet to locate a source.

Martin Brechbiel
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i have concluded that the Floquil/Model master  paint bottle lids do NOT routinely come down tight on the bottle rim, despite efforts to do so.  

 Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


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Re: Gondolas With Cable Loads

al_brown03
 

Umm, the lettering *is* semi-garish, but: ... according to nakina.net, JARX (John A. Roebling's Sons) was a genuine reporting mark from 1935-1958. As of the 1/53 ORER, they had 46' gondolas in JARX series 101-110, 131-140, and 150-161. Nearest car to the camera is JARX 157.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Floquil Paint cap removal

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

As is more common than not, when I toss a query out on this list, useful  answers are returned.  

  • Brute force- damn the cap and bottle:  It works, screw drivers, prybars, vise grips, battery pliers, etc. but at the hazard of  collateral damage and loss of product.
  • Punch hole in lid, pour out paint:  It works.  
  • Use MicroMark paint cap garote;  It works only some of the time, often destroying the lid without actually doing what it is supposed to do.  
  • Wipe bottle threads and cap clean before closing, and store bottle only upright before next use.  It does work, but….even though he cap is tight to the hand, it is not air tight, and….paint dries up over time.  
  • Turn bottle with stuck cap upside down and carefully drop lacquer thinner into the exposed rim of the cap to overflowing and let sit:  IT WORKS!   I have used it successfully on about eight stubborn bottles so far, and within several minutes of the lacquer thinner working its way down, along, and around the threads of bottle and cap, the cap relatively easily comes off, particularly with the above referenced MicroMark weapon. A bonus is that the solvent has made jelly of the caked paint on the threasa, which can then be easily wiped off with the ubiquitous paper toweling at hand.  WOW!


i have concluded that the Floquil/Model master  paint bottle lids do NOT routinely come down tight on the bottle rim, despite efforts to do so.  This allows the paint to saturate the threads, and dry when the bottle is tipped or shaken.  I just discarded an almost full bottle of Railroad Tie Brown that had caked, despite every evidence that the bottle had been tightly closed after the last use (last Spring).  It also may something to do with how enamels age after bottle opening.  I have some bottles of Super railroad lacquers from the late ‘40s, that despite multiple openings over the years, retain their usefulness and usability, not to mention their beauty. 

 Denny


Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: Gondolas With Cable Loads

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
A very cool photo, thanks for pointing it out.
 
My first reaction was to say that these gons look like they could be PRR class G22 cars. But upon further research, I think they are not - the PRR G22 has a pronounced end sill that was big enough for a man to stand on, but these cars don't have that.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Gondolas With Cable Loads

Here is a link to an undated publicity photo of four gondolas outside the Roebling cable and wire rope factory in New Jersey:

 

http://historicbridges.org/newyork/georgewashington/historical4.jpg

 

The large "Roebling Bridge Cables" lettering on each car may have been added to the photo...hard to tell.

 

The JARX reporting marks belong to John A. Roebling's Sons Company. One source I consulted says these were assigned in July 1935, withdrawn in January 1953 and eliminated in April 1953.

 

For those of you who don't recall your bridge history, John Roebling was a German-born American civil engineer. His specialty was designing and building wire rope suspension bridges, and he is best know for designing the Brooklyn Bridge. He also surveyed railway lines for the State of Pennsylvania.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Data on AB air reservoir

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Fred,

For tiny stuff like this Richard Hendrickson sometimes faked it. I remember in one of his articles he used N-scale decals and applied them upside down and backwards. Nobody was going to read it anyway.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 9/8/16 6:07 PM, Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Fred:

See Tony's blog.  Even if you find or fake the decals, the lettering will be largely illegible in HO (IMO).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA





On Thursday, September 8, 2016 2:39 PM, "fred@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Hi group, I'm building a few PFE reefers and noticed the data on the AB brake air reservoirs of the prototype. Unfortunately I can't read it. What does it say and is something like that available in a HO-scale decal? As far as I can tell there's nothing like that on the Microscale 501 & 414 PFE sets. Thanks for your assistance.
best regards
Fred Jansz





Re: Data on AB air reservoir

Dave Parker
 

Fred:

See Tony's blog.  Even if you find or fake the decals, the lettering will be largely illegible in HO (IMO).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA





On Thursday, September 8, 2016 2:39 PM, "fred@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Hi group, I'm building a few PFE reefers and noticed the data on the AB brake air reservoirs of the prototype. Unfortunately I can't read it. What does it say and is something like that available in a HO-scale decal? As far as I can tell there's nothing like that on the Microscale 501 & 414 PFE sets. Thanks for your assistance.
best regards
Fred Jansz




Data on AB air reservoir

Fred Jansz
 

Hi group, I'm building a few PFE reefers and noticed the data on the AB brake air reservoirs of the prototype. Unfortunately I can't read it. What does it say and is something like that available in a HO-scale decal? As far as I can tell there's nothing like that on the Microscale 501 & 414 PFE sets. Thanks for your assistance.
best regards
Fred Jansz



Re: Wegmann kits (Long's Drug Store )

Gene Deimling
 

In the days of the Long'story family ownership of the store chain, individual store managers were allowed to tailor their merchandise to fit the local markets.   Trains, toys, guns, fishing gear were OK as long as the store made their "numbers".  
My brother was an executive of Longs during the period of the "hobby shop" within the drug store.  There was a movement in the Walnut Creek headquarters to reduce or eliminate the hobby shop.  

Gene Deimling 


Gondolas With Cable Loads

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a link to an undated publicity photo of four gondolas outside the Roebling cable and wire rope factory in New Jersey:

 

http://historicbridges.org/newyork/georgewashington/historical4.jpg

 

The large "Roebling Bridge Cables" lettering on each car may have been added to the photo...hard to tell.

 

The JARX reporting marks belong to John A. Roebling's Sons Company. One source I consulted says these were assigned in July 1935, withdrawn in January 1953 and eliminated in April 1953.

 

For those of you who don't recall your bridge history, John Roebling was a German-born American civil engineer. His specialty was designing and building wire rope suspension bridges, and he is best know for designing the Brooklyn Bridge. He also surveyed railway lines for the State of Pennsylvania.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Adhesive for Gondola Clutter?

jczzo126 CocuzzaT
 

I just did a gon this past week, Canopy glue. 

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:41 AM, chapbob611@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Gondolas are seldom completely cleaned, and the empties often run with dunnage, coal, metal scrap, aggregates, etc. leftover from a previous load. I can of course run the car with this stuff loose in the bottom, but I'd rather find a way to secure it. I've tried various experiments, but they either don't adhere the material well, or dry with some gloss or a bit of color change. For example, Woodland Scenics scenic cement dried with a slight gloss and a whitish cast.
 
Any suggestions re what might work in this application?
 
Thanks!
 
Bob Chapman 



Re: Wegmann kits (Long's Drug Store )

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Please excuse this off-topic excursion.

 

The store was in Moreno Valley, CA. The model railroad section was allowed under a policy of allowing a Longs Drug Store manager to sell non-traditional items as long as the floor space generated more revenue per square foot than what was the overall average for a similar Longs Drug Store (or some variation on that).

 

It was a great model train store, carrying detail parts and many usually hard to find items.

 

At its height, the floor space devoted to model railroad items was six typical drug store isles wide, two isles long, plus a very large section in the stock area devoted to both additional retail and mail order.

 

The store manager was Jim Bromar, who later went on to open the Train Quest model train store, also in Moreno Valley. As I heard it, this store was partially backed by InterMountain, who pulled their funding when the store did not do as well as anticipated. This may or may not be accurate.

 

A few years ago there was a rumor the Jim was planning to open a new store. I contacted him offering to help with publicity through my own Yahoo group. Jim told me there would be no more brick-and-mortar stores for him but he had considered, and rejected, opening a mail order train business.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Wegmann kits

Doug Pillow
 

Long's Drugs had a huge  model railroad section in their Riverside Ca store in the early 90's . They even stocked brass locomotives . I know because I bought one there.

                                                                                          Doug Pillow


Re: B&O/BR&P composite gondola available as resin kit from B&OHS

Eric Hansmann
 

I am most thankful to Jim and Bob for their research on this project. I look forward to adding one or two of these BR&P mill gons to my 1926 fleet.

 

Jim mentioned the longevity of the car class but it seems many of these gondolas kept their BR&P marks for years after the B&O took over operations on January 1, 1932. The photo study in the Sentinel has an in-service image of BR&P 17401 taken in April 1939. The car is wearing lettering that is remarkably similar to the builder photo in the same issue. Apparently the 1940 ORER lists 68 of these cars with BR&P marks.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:27 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] B&O/BR&P composite gondola available as resin kit from B&OHS

 




 

The B&OHS has a new exclusive custom resin kit available, the B&O O-48 composite gondola inherited from BR&P.  

 

 

link: Company Store

 

 

 

 

 

Preview by Yahoo

 

 

 

 

 

This resin and wood kit is designed and produced by STMFC list member Chad Boas, with added Tichy parts.   B&O decals and BR&P decals are available separately.  Researched by Jim Mischke and Bob Witt who spent a long research Wednesday in Ted Anderson's baggage car full of drawings at IRM, ten years ago.

 

The 3rd Quarter, 2016 edition of The Sentinel , the B&OHS magazine, has an O48 photo study with ten photographs for study and inspiration.

 

Although the last two O-48 were withdrawn from service by 1954, about 300 gondolas were reassigned to company service, mostly in the X-700 to X-999 series.  These lasted into the 1970's, thus this gondola is appropriate for modeling eras 1914-1975.

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Adhesive for Gondola Clutter?

James Brewer
 

I've mixed tarnished and weathered black with white glue to make "tar" for seams in tar paper roofs; no problem.  I just put a glob of white glue on a piece of scrap styrene, dab a toothpick in the color and mix.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Has anyone tried staining white glue?  Such as adding 25% rust colored acrylic paint to the glue
and getting rust colored glue? Would it work? Any useful results? More paint or less paint?
I was just thinking that might be great stuff to use under trash.
Chuck Peck in Acadia N.P.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:35 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

A long time ago, I littered up a gon. I put in some 4x4s across the floor of the gon, and then dropped in a few other pieces of 4x4. I then went out to the street and picked up some sand and crud from the gutter, brought it back in and used that for making a mess. Before I put any of this in, I painted the floor of the gon with some very diluted white glue. The glue ended up invisible with all the other stuff in there.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:41 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Adhesive for Gondola Clutter?

Gondolas are seldom completely cleaned, and the empties often run with dunnage, coal, metal scrap, aggregates, etc. leftover from a previous load. I can of course run the car with this stuff loose in the bottom, but I'd rather find a way to secure it. I've tried various experiments, but they either don't adhere the material well, or dry with some gloss or a bit of color change. For example, Woodland Scenics scenic cement dried with a slight gloss and a whitish cast.

Any suggestions re what might work in this application?

Thanks!

Bob Chapman

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Re: Adhesive for Gondola Clutter?

Bill Vaughn
 

I have glued many gondola and flat cars for our club.  Just don't use to much glue, I found out the hard way.

Even a little green looks good.

Bill Vaughn


On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:16 PM, "jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob,

MicroScale's Krystal Klear - apply just a dab of it to the bottom
of the clutter and set it in place and wait 24 hours. If you need
to rework - put a drop of water on it and let it sit for 30 minutes.
Too glossy? Paint with small amount of acrylic wash.
- Jim B.



Re: Adhesive for Gondola Clutter?

Jim Betz
 

Bob,

MicroScale's Krystal Klear - apply just a dab of it to the bottom
of the clutter and set it in place and wait 24 hours. If you need
to rework - put a drop of water on it and let it sit for 30 minutes.
Too glossy? Paint with small amount of acrylic wash.
- Jim B.

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