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Re: What's in a name

Bill Welch
 

I am not very literate when it comes to novels and dramatic plays but there is a line from Carson McCuller's "The Member of the Wedding" that has always struck me: "Things grow up around a name. "Naperville" is where many of us met each other of the first time and friendships have "grown" up around Naperville. Many of us will remember the feeding frenzy when Martin opened up the Sunshine Sales Room. I will always remember when Rob Adams and I stayed up until 3AM helping Ted Culotta get everything boxed up for Speedwitch's debut at Naperville and I am sure Ted will never forget that Martin allowed the big Sales Room to get opened an hour too soon and before he was ready. (Hmm, wonder if that late night is why Rob changed over to Proto 48?!)

Remembering that "Things grow up around a name" served me well in the Ministry and in life. Your feelings about Naperville make perfect sense to me Clark.

Bill Welch
 


What's in a name

Clark Propst
 

Mike has changed the name of the old Naperville meet, but it will always be know as Naperville. Why? Last week my wife asked about a certain fishing spot. I said “It’s about a mile north of Indian Island.” She replied “What? Where’s this Indian Island?” I said “It’s the real name for what we used to call Round Island.” She replied “If we called it Round Island then that’s what it is. Don’t confuse me with real names.”
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Moving freight cars with team of horses

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
The signs that appear in the background certainly indicate Baltimore as the location
 
Claus Schlund
 

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---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Hi List Members,

These images might also be of interest...

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2365878

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2365365

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2366537

Claus Schlund
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Is this the Fells Point area of Baltimore? The trackage was in the streets, and so tightly curved from the days when railroad equipment was so much smaller, that the PRR eventually went to rubber tired battery powered tractors to switch the area.

http://prr.railfan.net/RubberTiredSwitchers.html

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Moving freight cars with team of horses

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <claus@...> wrote :

Hi List Members,

These images might also be of interest...

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2365878

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2365365

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2366537

Claus Schlund
===============

Is this the Fells Point area of Baltimore? The trackage was in the streets, and so tightly curved from the days when railroad equipment was so much smaller, that the PRR eventually went to rubber tired battery powered tractors to switch the area.

http://prr.railfan.net/RubberTiredSwitchers.html

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Moving freight cars with team of horses

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

The last Shunting  (switching ) horse was retired in 1965 believe it or not.

On Sun, 11 Sep, 2016 at 15:55, Randy Hees randyhees@... [STMFC]
wrote:
 

The British were still using horses for switching through WWII.... 

Southern Pacific had a horse drawn narrow gauge branch until 1910... The Centerville branch connecting Newark with Centerville (now Fremont, CA)  They had inherited it when they leased the South Pacific Coast in 1887.  The South Pacific Coast was known to use horses in yards during high traffic periods or to move cars

The photos showing multi horse teams seem like overkill... To a large extent railroads were first invented in coal and slate mines to get wagons up out of the mud, and by doing so reduce friction.  A horse has a tractive effort of 1.5x its body weight (per modern humane society standards) while it is calculated that it takes 8lbs of force per ton to move a railroad car on level track.  Assuming a 50 ton car (car weight and tare for a 40 ton capacity car) it would take 750lbs of force.  A typical draft horse is about 2000 lbs with a 3000 lb tractive effort rating...

At the railroad museum at Ardenwood (SPCRR.org) we used horses as locomotives for our narrow gauge railroad until a couple of years ago.  On several occasions we pulled three cars with one horse on a 1% grade through a 24 degree curve.  Early on we had tested effort required to move one of our 15 ton capacity narrow gauge cars by using a strain gauge.  The effort varied a bit, but was generally about 400 lbs per car, which is consistent with the tables found in Porter Locomotive catalogs.

Randy Hees


Re: Moving freight cars with team of horses

Randy Hees
 

The British were still using horses for switching through WWII.... 

Southern Pacific had a horse drawn narrow gauge branch until 1910... The Centerville branch connecting Newark with Centerville (now Fremont, CA)  They had inherited it when they leased the South Pacific Coast in 1887.  The South Pacific Coast was known to use horses in yards during high traffic periods or to move cars

The photos showing multi horse teams seem like overkill... To a large extent railroads were first invented in coal and slate mines to get wagons up out of the mud, and by doing so reduce friction.  A horse has a tractive effort of 1.5x its body weight (per modern humane society standards) while it is calculated that it takes 8lbs of force per ton to move a railroad car on level track.  Assuming a 50 ton car (car weight and tare for a 40 ton capacity car) it would take 750lbs of force.  A typical draft horse is about 2000 lbs with a 3000 lb tractive effort rating...

At the railroad museum at Ardenwood (SPCRR.org) we used horses as locomotives for our narrow gauge railroad until a couple of years ago.  On several occasions we pulled three cars with one horse on a 1% grade through a 24 degree curve.  Early on we had tested effort required to move one of our 15 ton capacity narrow gauge cars by using a strain gauge.  The effort varied a bit, but was generally about 400 lbs per car, which is consistent with the tables found in Porter Locomotive catalogs.

Randy Hees


Sunshine decals

Eric Hansmann
 

Some of the Sunshine Model decals are available. More details have been posted on the Resin car Works blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/sunshine-decals-available/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: A few freight cars off to the right . . .

Eric Hansmann
 

The arced lettering on the C&NW reefer seems to read as "Refrigerator Car": Here's the direct image link.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-09-10-16/X0945.jpg


Also, the Wabash box car at the far right seems to follow a Fowler design. Here's a view of another car in the series.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/wab75699asw.jpg


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On September 10, 2016 at 10:13 PM "jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


Nice photo. Notice the masts of sailing ships in background.

Is what looks almost like a two-tone paint job on the R7 just an unusual weathering effect?

And can anyone read the lettering in an arc above the monogram on the C&NW reefer next in line?

Jack Mullen

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Re: Hagley Museum

Bill Welch
 

Bet this is a "one off" experiment.

Bill Welch


Re: Moving freight cars with team of horses

Tim O'Connor
 

Or just freight cars in general! (1,281 photos)
http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/search?type=dismax&f[0]=mods_subject_topic_ms%3AFreight&#92;%20cars

Tim O'


Re: A few freight cars off to the right . . .

Jack Mullen
 

Nice photo. Notice the masts of sailing ships in background.

Is what looks almost like a two-tone paint job on the R7 just an unusual weathering effect?

And can anyone read the lettering in an arc above the monogram on the C&NW reefer next in line?

Jack Mullen


Re: A few freight cars off to the right . . .

Bruce Smith
 

​PRR R7 reefer next to the Wabash car.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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Re: Hagley Museum

pennsylvania1954
 

Interesting. First time I have seen a wagon top like that. I went back to The Wagon Tops article in The Keystone of March 1981 and found nothing on it. I suspect it was a one-off, but more research needs to be done.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Hagley Museum

rwitt_2000
 

Another one from Hagley. I don't recall ever seeing a PRR round roof with reinforcing panels.

Does anyone have additional information?

Bob Witt

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2362115


A few freight cars off to the right . . .

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Re: asphalt tank cars

Clark Propst
 

Anyone know where I can find info on the trailer used to heat the material and pump it out of the car?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Hagley Museum: Leaky utlx tank car #4068, angular view

rwitt_2000
 

I am sure this photo has been referenced before, but a nice shot anyway of post patches by the PRR.

Bob Witt

Freight car post patches | Hagley Digital Archives

 


Moving freight cars with team of horses

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Leaky utlx tank car #4068, angular view

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,

Some might enjoy this image...

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2363333

Claus Schlund


Re: All-Time Yankee Clipper & Speedwitch kit lists

Bill Welch
 

Very Impressive Clark, thank you.
Bill Welch

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