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Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Scott H. Haycock
 

Bill Dale wrote:
 

"and the the rivet detail on the Red Caboose sides are wrong."


Bill, which prototype are you referring to?  The SOO car, or the SAL car, or both?___




Scott Haycock


Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

brianleppert@att.net
 

Paul,  I've been in our hobby since '63 and I too seem to recall an image of a car with both doors.  But with more knowledge of the real doors I can't find it possible now.  Am hoping for others' comments.

BTW, if your RC car has round corners, you could strip it (undecs are hard to come by) and buy correct resin doors and decals from Speedwitch for a really cool Seaboard Air Line auto car.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Paul Hillman
 

I thought I had seen prototype photos where Youngstown and Superior doors were on the same side, but that was only from "memory". Guess I might have been wrong. Red Caboose put 4 Youngstown in the kit & 2 Superior, and at first I didn't understand their instructions. I think it turns out that both kinds of doors were for a 1 door car & you could use either type. 2 more Youngstown were added for a 2 door car.

See, ----  after 50 years of modelling a person can STILL be confused. 

Sorry for the confusion.

Paul Hillman




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I highly suspect a model with one of each door (Youngstown and Superior) on the same side would be bogus, regardless of the road name.  These two doors have different door track designs and roller mechanisms.  I see no way they could be interchangeable.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
 


Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

brianleppert@att.net
 

I highly suspect a model with one of each door (Youngstown and Superior) on the same side would be bogus, regardless of the road name.  These two doors have different door track designs and roller mechanisms.  I see no way they could be interchangeable.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
 


Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Paul Hillman
 

Well gee !!! Another off-shelf-bogus car. Since it's not accurate for CB&Q I can just put one of each door and remain bogus with it, but don't show it to anyone. All of us probably have inaccurate cars on our layouts. Nice looking model though.

Thanks everyone for the info.

Paul Hillman




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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar
 
 

Paul,

What was missed here is that the two 10' IH double-door boxcars from RC have only two prototypes (per Richard Hendrickson). The square-corner car is only good for Soo, and the W-corner is good only for SAL. Everything else is bogus. By the time these 10' IH cars were produced, the unofficial standard for auto cars was 10' 4" or 10' 6".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 9/30/16 9:09 PM, chris_hillman@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Just acquired a Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar. The kit comes with 2 door types, Youngstown & Superior. Did the CB&Q have any cars with both types on the same side, IE) 1- Youngstown & 1- Superior  ?


I did a photo search & found only cars with 2 Youngstown doors, but they were of models not prototype cars.

Thanks, Paul Hillman



Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

William Dale
 

The ends for this car were of a 4/4 improved dreadnaught, and the the rivet detail on the Red Caboose sides are wrong. The C&BT automobile box with some archer rivet transfers could get you very close if you can't find a Sunshine kit.  There was a kit bash article close to this style of car,(CB&Q) done by Ed Hawkins in Railmodel Journal 6/1992, "Duplicating ACF Industries prototype"

Bill Dale.


Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Paul,

What was missed here is that the two 10' IH double-door boxcars from RC have only two prototypes (per Richard Hendrickson). The square-corner car is only good for Soo, and the W-corner is good only for SAL. Everything else is bogus. By the time these 10' IH cars were produced, the unofficial standard for auto cars was 10' 4" or 10' 6".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 9/30/16 9:09 PM, chris_hillman@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Just acquired a Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar. The kit comes with 2 door types, Youngstown & Superior. Did the CB&Q have any cars with both types on the same side, IE) 1- Youngstown & 1- Superior  ?


I did a photo search & found only cars with 2 Youngstown doors, but they were of models not prototype cars.

Thanks, Paul Hillman



Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Brian Carlson
 

As discussed on here many times, the square corner car is usable for a Soo Line car, and the W corner is SAL as Bill stated. 

The car is a stand-in for every other scheme they offer. Some are close some not so much. 

I'm not sure about 40 ft CB&Q cars. 

Brian J. Carlson

On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:51 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Going from memory there is an issue of RP CYC that covers "Q" Steel Auto Cars. Also going from memory the RC DD car with "W" corners is only good for SAL.


Bill Welch


Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Bill Welch
 

Going from memory there is an issue of RP CYC that covers "Q" Steel Auto Cars. Also going from memory the RC DD car with "W" corners is only good for SAL.

Bill Welch


Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Paul Hillman
 

Just acquired a Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar. The kit comes with 2 door types, Youngstown & Superior. Did the CB&Q have any cars with both types on the same side, IE) 1- Youngstown & 1- Superior  ?


I did a photo search & found only cars with 2 Youngstown doors, but they were of models not prototype cars.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: [Ops-Ind] Ops on Santa Fe's Alma branch

acacd_ssp
 

Jared,
  Living in Southern California, I can't make your ops session.  However, I took a quick look on the OPSIG Callboard for Georgia; I don't see anyone from Georgia listed.


 I also looked at the OPSIG "Member List"; there are over 20 folks throughout the state listed.

 If you're not already a member of OPSIG, I suggest you join:




If you are a member, I'd suggest entering yourself and your layout on the "Members List" and "Callboard".

 Good luck.
 
Al Daumann



From: "Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [Ry-ops-industrialSIG]"
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Subject: [Ops-Ind] Ops on Santa Fe's Alma branch

 
I am trying to organize an October ops session on the Santa Fe Alma branch layout.  I need three people  I serve lunch at noon after which we retire to the basement to operate trains 95/96, the Alma branch mixed.  The dates open in my schedule are October 9th, October 29th and October 30th.  Anyone up for an ops session?

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821



Ops on Santa Fe's Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

I am trying to organize an October ops session on the Santa Fe Alma branch layout.  I need three people  I serve lunch at noon after which we retire to the basement to operate trains 95/96, the Alma branch mixed.  The dates open in my schedule are October 9th, October 29th and October 30th.  Anyone up for an ops session?

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821


SP Refrigerator Cars

Bill Welch
 

Thumbing through Vol. 3 of "Focus on Freight Cars" for the third time I suddenly realized that the photo of the 1922 Pullman built SP 37325 on Page 61 reveals a car that is undoubtedly a copy of the 1000 plus cars built around the same time by the CB&Q, Fort Worth & Denver, and Colorado Southern. What made me notice this is the gusset plate on the lower part of the left end and then I started looking at other details like how the sill steps are attached, door hinges, and the other metal hardware on and around the doors. Therefore the Accurail wood sheathed kit is the logical starting point. The roof and hatch details will need to be changed however.


Bill Welch


Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 33

Ed Hawkins
 

To the STMFC members with the moderator's permission,

The RP CYC Publishing Company is pleased to announce the imminent release of RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA, Volume 33, currently scheduled for distribution in the 2nd half of October 2016. Volume 33 is a special all-color volume, with 70% more pages (193) than the usual number (113). It contains much useful prototype and modeling information as well as stunning color photographs in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:

Pullman Heavyweight Passenger Cars, Part, 4 - Continuing an early RP CYC series covering American conventional heavyweight sleeping cars, the article by Patrick C. Wider describes the heavyweight sleeping cars built and modified by the Pullman Company over a span of forty-plus years. It features nearly 400 spectacular Kodachrome photographs taken by the late Dick Kuelbs in the early 1960s around Dallas, Fort Worth, and New Orleans. Accompanying photo captions include a brief history of each car as well much useful modeling information obtained from Tom Madden’s magnum opus The Pullman Project website. In many cases, both sides of the same car are shown for modeling purposes.

The article ends with a comprehensive bibliography pertaining to Pullman heavyweight sleeping cars. Dick’s all-color Kodachrome photos include cars lettered or decorated for A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, C&NW, CB&Q, CRI&P, D&RGW, DL&W, FW&D, IC, L&N, M-K-T, MP, NP, PRR, SAL, SL-SF, Southern, SP, T&P, UP, and, of course, Pullman (Pullman Green as well as two-tone grey). The photos are arranged in approximate alphabetical order covering Pullman sleepers Alpine Buttercup to Zephyr Tower and many in between. Virtually all of these photos have never been published before.

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For this offer to be valid, payment must be postmarked by Saturday, October 15, 2016. To take advantage of this one-time, pre-publication offer for RP CYC Volume 33, please mail a check or money order in the amount of $54.00* by October 15, 2016 to:

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Sunshine Santa Fe stock car kits for sale

Jared Harper
 

I still have a few Sunshine Santa Fe stock car kits for sale.  E-mail me for a list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Roommate wanted

Jared Harper
 

I still need a roommate for the Chicagoland RPM meet.  If you want to share a room please contact me.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821


Re: Color of B&M flat cars - Sunshine Kit 45.7

Thorsten Petschallies
 

Every other information that I have ever read indicates black for flat cars. 
The Sunshine data sheet for these flat cars being the only one indicating box car red. 

Thorsten 



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I’m working on a Sunshine models kit for the B&M 42-foot flatcar - (their kit 45.7).
The Sunshine instructions indicate the cars were painted “Freight car red” - I’ve built enough of these kits over the years to know that’s code for “We don’t have a specific color.”

There are pictures of B&M flatcars in color in Sweetland and Horsley "Color Guide to Northern New England Freight and Passenger Equipment” - page 35 ( top of the page) shows the car in question. The car in that photo looks black to me - there’s another flatcar (different class) on the previous page where some red is visible on the side sill that could be a patch… or it could be a red car that’s gotten very, very dirty….
So, the question is for the mid-1950s era would the basic color of the car be black or red?

Appreciate any and all input.

Thanks,

Marty


Re: Color of B&M flat cars - Sunshine Kit 45.7

Tim O'Connor
 

Marty

there's also a very active B&M group on Facebook and they post LOTS
of excellent pictures and seem to know a great deal about the B&M.

But my guess for the color also would be black, just like B&M gondolas
and open hoppers in this era.

Tim O'

Marty:

I have the same kit, and have long wondered how Martin deduced that the 1923-built B&M flats arrived in FCR. The builder's photos from the Cycs and a 1924 Railway Age piece are all ambiguous to my eye. Even if they appear lighter than "straight" black, I have grown wary of BPs generally as there are hints that they were sometimes staged in a faux color to enhance details.

Rightly or wrongly, I am painting mine black, and I model 1934. In part, I can justify this based on the lettering makeover that would have occurred in the late 1920s. The one relevant in-service pic that I have seen doesn't contradict this (nor does it fully validate it). As always, YMMV.

You might want to also post this query to the B&M Yahoo group. Perhaps someone has some information that I have not seen.

Best regards,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Color of B&M flat cars - Sunshine Kit 45.7

Dave Parker
 

Marty:

I have the same kit, and have long wondered how Martin deduced that the 1923-built B&M flats arrived in FCR.  The builder's photos from the Cycs and a 1924 Railway Age piece are all ambiguous to my eye.  Even if they appear lighter than "straight" black, I have grown wary of BPs generally as there are hints that they were sometimes staged in a faux color to enhance details.

Rightly or wrongly, I am painting mine black, and I model 1934.  In part, I can justify this based on the lettering makeover that would have occurred in the late 1920s.  The one relevant in-service pic that I have seen doesn't contradict this (nor does it fully validate it).  As always, YMMV.

You might want to also post this query to the B&M Yahoo group.  Perhaps someone has some information that I have not seen.

Best regards,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



Re: [EXTERNAL] Color of B&M flat cars - Sunshine Kit 45.7

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Marty;

Many flat cars and hoppers seem to have been going to black in that time period. I can say that the B&M well hole flats were black at least by the mid-fifties, maybe earlier (I did some research on them); the others I don't know about.

Elden Gatwood

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I’m working on a Sunshine models kit for the B&M 42-foot flatcar - (their kit 45.7).
The Sunshine instructions indicate the cars were painted “Freight car red” - I’ve built enough of these kits over the years to know that’s code for “We don’t have a specific color.”

There are pictures of B&M flatcars in color in Sweetland and Horsley "Color Guide to Northern New England Freight and Passenger Equipment” - page 35 ( top of the page) shows the car in question. The car in that photo looks black to me - there’s another flatcar (different class) on the previous page where some red is visible on the side sill that could be a patch… or it could be a red car that’s gotten very, very dirty….
So, the question is for the mid-1950s era would the basic color of the car be black or red?

Appreciate any and all input.

Thanks,

Marty

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