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Re: Securing A Boiler Load On A Flat Car

anthony wagner
 

Bob, attached is a photo taken mid fifties in Williamsport PA of a very large boiler on a Pennsy depressed center flat car. It is large enough that the securing straps had to be welded to the outside of the car. I'm guessing that Keeler had to get permission from the Pennsy to weld these to their car for this move. Keeler, BTW, is still in business. Tony Wagner

On Monday, October 3, 2016 3:25 AM, "Steve Caple stevecaple@comcast.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


  Craft stores generally have beading "wire" with a spiral wound
appearance very much like wire rope - even comes in a color close to
galvanized steel. Used in combination with wood bracing, saddles, etc,
it can look very good for tying down heavy loads. Something like this
(wood with blocks to fit upper curvature of a horizontal tank, or even a
stand up donkey engine boiler at the flare, "wire" running across and
out to tie down points. c

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Help please for brake deatl at B&O M53

Bernhard Schroeter
 


I would like to ask you about a detail of a brake detail on a B&O M-53 which exist on other more modern freight cars also, I think.


Pleasesee this link - https://www.pwrs.ca/new_announcement_images/products/Fox_Valley/Cars/Prototype.jpg


What is that part under the right end of lower door guide which is mounted under the car body.
I would be lucky to get your helpful information. Thanks!
Re: Securing A Boiler Load On A Flat Car

Steve Caple <stevecaple@...>
 

Craft stores generally have beading "wire" with a spiral wound appearance very much like wire rope - even comes in a color close to galvanized steel. Used in combination with wood bracing, saddles, etc, it can look very good for tying down heavy loads. Something like this (wood with blocks to fit upper curvature of a horizontal tank, or even a stand up donkey engine boiler at the flare, "wire" running across and out to tie down points. c

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Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Paul Krueger
 

Yes, there are aftermarket doors for the Red Caboose auto cars from Speedwitch.

P100 – Seaboard Air Line Class AF-3 Auto Car Doors | Speedwitch Media

 

P101 – Soo Line 75800-series Auto Car Doors | Speedwitch Media



Paul


Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA
Re: Securing A Boiler Load On A Flat Car

John Holmes
 

Photo shows work in process. Per the instructions I attached a piece of sheet styrene inside the boilers and attached them to the deck with Canopy Glue. Bracing is small pieces of stripwood attached with Canopy Glue. I took each strap and wrapped it around my finger in order to get a reasonable contour to the boiler top. Final step is to figure out how to "finish" the straps at the stake pockets, and to make the straps straight from boiler to stake pockets. Flat car is Red Caboose with AMB wood deck.
John Holmes
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Scott H. Haycock
 

Brian Leppert wrote:

"The problem with the Red Caboose car is the door tooling.  It seems while the cavities for the door's horizontal ribs were being cut, the cutter broke.  The cutter should have been replaced and the cavity cutting finished, but that wasn't done.  So the result are ribs that don't stand tall enough and have flat tops."


Thanks Brian,

I see it now- on the right hand set (the same doors that are in the single door kits). The left hand doors look more acceptable.

Does anyone know of an aftermarket door set that will work for this car? 

Is there an article somewhere about identifying doors by manufacturer?

Scott Haycock
Re: Securing A Boiler Load On A Flat Car

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob,

 

I’m working on a post for the Resin Car Works blog regarding these boiler castings. I hope to post it in a week or two.

 

Eric Hansmann

El paso, TX

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 5:29 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Securing A Boiler Load On A Flat Car

 




I received a pair of resin cast boilers from Resin Car Works. The castings are excellent. These were mentioned in a post last May:

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/142613

 

The boilers come with brass straps for securing them on a flat car and several photos generally illustrating this.

 

I plan to permanently mount these on a flat car. I'm hoping someone can point me to a photo or two detailing how the blocking and straps are mounted to the flatcar floor. The photos in the kit don't quite cover this aspect.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

brianleppert@att.net
 

The subject car is the SAL A-F-3 with replacement doors.

The problem with the Red Caboose car is the door tooling.  It seems while the cavities for the door's horizontal ribs were being cut, the cutter broke.  The cutter should have been replaced and the cavity cutting finished, but that wasn't done.  So the result are ribs that don't stand tall enough and have flat tops.

Maybe a detail that isn't noticeable--(I overlooked them for years)--until it is noticed and then these doors will probably never look right ever again.

That's just my opinion.  YMMV

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
Securing A Boiler Load On A Flat Car

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I received a pair of resin cast boilers from Resin Car Works. The castings are excellent. These were mentioned in a post last May:

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages/142613

 

The boilers come with brass straps for securing them on a flat car and several photos generally illustrating this.

 

I plan to permanently mount these on a flat car. I'm hoping someone can point me to a photo or two detailing how the blocking and straps are mounted to the flatcar floor. The photos in the kit don't quite cover this aspect.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Alma branch op session October 29th

Jared Harper
 

I am hosting an op session on Santa Fe's Alma branch on Saturday, October 29th.  I still need one crew member.  The session will begin at noon with lunch after which we will retire to the railroad room to run trains 95/96.  If you want to participate please e-mail or call.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Scott H. Haycock
 

Brian Leppert noted:

BTW, if your RC car has round corners, you could strip it (undecs are hard to come by) and buy correct resin doors and decals from Speedwitch for a really cool Seaboard Air Line auto car.



I have an RC  kit- RC8568-5, SAL #22374. These were Class AF-3, #s 22200-22499, Built by Pullman Standard in 1945. The model is decorated to resemble car #22297, which is shown in Morning Suns SAL Color Guide, pg. 51. 

The only discrepancy in the decoration that I can see is that the SAL medallion, and dimensional data on the left side of the model appear to be printed too low, compared to the left side grab irons. 

The side sill shape, side rivet pattern, and even the doors look correct. The 1973 photo shows some reinforcement at the bottom of the sides, on either side of the doors, but I suspect this was added after this lists time frame.

The model has a reweigh stencil; HAM 6-53, over new paint, with the"Route of Courteous Service" scheme. My impression was that this lettering scheme was introduced in the late 1950s. Could this be an anomaly?   


Previous posts note the RC 1937 DD car as a 10-0' interior height car, with 4/4 ends, but my model has 4/5 ends, and is decorated for a car with a 10'-3'' IH.

Is this a completely different model than the ones under discussion?

Scott Haycock
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Scott H. Haycock
 

Bill Dale wrote:
 

"and the the rivet detail on the Red Caboose sides are wrong."


Bill, which prototype are you referring to?  The SOO car, or the SAL car, or both?___




Scott Haycock
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

brianleppert@att.net
 

Paul,  I've been in our hobby since '63 and I too seem to recall an image of a car with both doors.  But with more knowledge of the real doors I can't find it possible now.  Am hoping for others' comments.

BTW, if your RC car has round corners, you could strip it (undecs are hard to come by) and buy correct resin doors and decals from Speedwitch for a really cool Seaboard Air Line auto car.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Paul Hillman
 

I thought I had seen prototype photos where Youngstown and Superior doors were on the same side, but that was only from "memory". Guess I might have been wrong. Red Caboose put 4 Youngstown in the kit & 2 Superior, and at first I didn't understand their instructions. I think it turns out that both kinds of doors were for a 1 door car & you could use either type. 2 more Youngstown were added for a 2 door car.

See, ----  after 50 years of modelling a person can STILL be confused. 

Sorry for the confusion.

Paul Hillman



From: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 5:44 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar
 
 

I highly suspect a model with one of each door (Youngstown and Superior) on the same side would be bogus, regardless of the road name.  These two doors have different door track designs and roller mechanisms.  I see no way they could be interchangeable.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
 
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

brianleppert@att.net
 

I highly suspect a model with one of each door (Youngstown and Superior) on the same side would be bogus, regardless of the road name.  These two doors have different door track designs and roller mechanisms.  I see no way they could be interchangeable.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
 
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Paul Hillman
 

Well gee !!! Another off-shelf-bogus car. Since it's not accurate for CB&Q I can just put one of each door and remain bogus with it, but don't show it to anyone. All of us probably have inaccurate cars on our layouts. Nice looking model though.

Thanks everyone for the info.

Paul Hillman



From: STMFC@... on behalf of Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 3:41 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar
 
 

Paul,

What was missed here is that the two 10' IH double-door boxcars from RC have only two prototypes (per Richard Hendrickson). The square-corner car is only good for Soo, and the W-corner is good only for SAL. Everything else is bogus. By the time these 10' IH cars were produced, the unofficial standard for auto cars was 10' 4" or 10' 6".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 9/30/16 9:09 PM, chris_hillman@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Just acquired a Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar. The kit comes with 2 door types, Youngstown & Superior. Did the CB&Q have any cars with both types on the same side, IE) 1- Youngstown & 1- Superior  ?


I did a photo search & found only cars with 2 Youngstown doors, but they were of models not prototype cars.

Thanks, Paul Hillman
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

William Dale
 

The ends for this car were of a 4/4 improved dreadnaught, and the the rivet detail on the Red Caboose sides are wrong. The C&BT automobile box with some archer rivet transfers could get you very close if you can't find a Sunshine kit.  There was a kit bash article close to this style of car,(CB&Q) done by Ed Hawkins in Railmodel Journal 6/1992, "Duplicating ACF Industries prototype"

Bill Dale.
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Paul,

What was missed here is that the two 10' IH double-door boxcars from RC have only two prototypes (per Richard Hendrickson). The square-corner car is only good for Soo, and the W-corner is good only for SAL. Everything else is bogus. By the time these 10' IH cars were produced, the unofficial standard for auto cars was 10' 4" or 10' 6".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 9/30/16 9:09 PM, chris_hillman@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Just acquired a Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar. The kit comes with 2 door types, Youngstown & Superior. Did the CB&Q have any cars with both types on the same side, IE) 1- Youngstown & 1- Superior  ?


I did a photo search & found only cars with 2 Youngstown doors, but they were of models not prototype cars.

Thanks, Paul Hillman
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Brian Carlson
 

As discussed on here many times, the square corner car is usable for a Soo Line car, and the W corner is SAL as Bill stated. 

The car is a stand-in for every other scheme they offer. Some are close some not so much. 

I'm not sure about 40 ft CB&Q cars. 

Brian J. Carlson

On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:51 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Going from memory there is an issue of RP CYC that covers "Q" Steel Auto Cars. Also going from memory the RC DD car with "W" corners is only good for SAL.


Bill Welch
Re: Red Caboose 40ft double door CB&Q boxcar

Bill Welch
 

Going from memory there is an issue of RP CYC that covers "Q" Steel Auto Cars. Also going from memory the RC DD car with "W" corners is only good for SAL.

Bill Welch
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