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Re: CANADA SOUTHERN INFORMATION

John Riddell
 

Gary,
 
CDS Lettering offers an accurate set for this box car.
 
 
John Riddell


Re: Jeffrey Screen On PRR Flatcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Here is a flatcar load project for the scratch builder in you.
Caption: "Revolving screen made by the Jeffrey Manufacturing Company of Columbus, Ohio on a railroad car in the factory yard, 1908. Screens were used to separate different sized lumps of coal for different uses." 
http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p267401coll32/id/9782/rec/448
Bob Chaparro


Re: Jeffrey Screen On PRR Flatcar

Eric Hansmann
 

What a neat photo! The car seems to have the NEW weight stencil, although NEW is missing due to the lack of space, is suspect. The weigh location is DET and the date looks like 11/16  06. I see a brake staff at each end of this car, although the staff on the left end is on the deck. Note the small levers at the very end of the side sills. I believe these are early uncoupling devices. Note at the right end of the car, the uncoupling lever protrudes from an opening in the deck at the center of the end sill.

It also seems like there are angled grab irons on the end sill.

That's a cool load, too.I would love to see how it was blocked for transport.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX




On October 12, 2016 at 1:03 PM "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Pennsylvania Lines class FM flat car #931517, built 1906. Given that the photo is dated 1908, the car is pretty dirty after only 2 years of service.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:50 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
Here is a flatcar load project for the scratch builder in you.
This photo link is from the Ohio Memory website at: http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/ .
Caption: "Revolving screen made by the Jeffrey Manufacturing Company of ColumbusOhio on a railroad car in the factory yard, 1908. Screens were used to separate different sized lumps of coal for different uses."  
Bob Chaparro


Re: Coal to California (late 1940s and 1950s)

tyesac@...
 

Santa Fe had thousands of 40' Caswell gons and there are photos of strings of those in Colorado & New Mexico loaded with coal.   They also had small numbers (100's) of steel offset side two, three and four bay hoppers available up until many of the 2 & 3 bay cars got roofs for grain service.

Tom Casey
That leaves a question about how the New Mexico coal was delivered by ATSF and in what kind of cars?
Home road two bay steel and composite hoppers? Gondolas?
Any insight would be appreciated.
Regards, Otto Kroutil



-----Original Message-----
From: otask@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2016 3:38 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Coal to California (late 1940s and 1950s)

 
Thanks, particularly to Mark, for providing such useful information. 

As to the Arkansas coal, there are a number of published photographs taken at Cajon and vicinity showing Missouri Pacific coal hoppers in substantial numbers. Most of these are undated, but the presence of steam power and large "buzzsaw" logos on the cars would indicate this time frame to be between 1948 (?) and June of '52. I always wondered where the MP cars came from, and given this information, I bet it's Arkansas.

So, during this era, in summary:

Sunnyside coal from Utah went to Kaiser in predominantly UP, UCR and D&RGW gons (although there's at least one photo of D&RGW ballast hoppers in coal service); handed over to ATSF by UP in Barstow; (what was the mix of cars, in proportion?)

Arkansas coal went in predominantly (?) MP hoppers (photos show 2,3, and 4 bay hoppers, stee l and composite). What other cars may have been used?

That leaves a question about how the New Mexico coal was delivered by ATSF and in what kind of cars?
Home road two bay steel and composite hoppers? Gondolas?
Any insight would be appreciated.
Regards, Otto Kroutil



Re: gons containing coal

Paul Koehler
 

Ed:

 

I haven’t seen any pictures, but I have seen the real thing.  When I was with the SP in the late 1960’s about once a month a gondola was spotted at the Firestone Park TT with a gondola load of coal ,which took about three days for two gentlemen to unload by shoveling it into a dump truck and delivering to a non rail served foundry in South Gate CA.  Yes it did happen.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] gons containing coal

 

 

Has anyone seen photos which show gons loaded with coal off the gon's home road?

 

Ed Mines

 

 


gons containing coal

ed_mines
 

Has anyone seen photos which show gons loaded with coal off the gon's home road?


Ed Mines




Re: Jeffrey Screen On PRR Flatcar

gary laakso
 

The duel gauge track at the end of the car is a neat visual too.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:50 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Jeffrey Screen On PRR Flatcar
 
 

Here is a flatcar load project for the scratch builder in you.

 

This photo link is from the Ohio Memory website at: http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/ .

 

Caption: "Revolving screen made by the Jeffrey Manufacturing Company of Columbus, Ohio on a railroad car in the factory yard, 1908. Screens were used to separate different sized lumps of coal for different uses." 

 

http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p267401coll32/id/9782/rec/448

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Coal to California (late 1940s and 1950s)

ottokroutil
 

Thanks, particularly to Mark, for providing such useful information. 

As to the Arkansas coal, there are a number of published photographs taken at Cajon and vicinity showing Missouri Pacific coal hoppers in substantial numbers. Most of these are undated, but the presence of steam power and large "buzzsaw" logos on the cars would indicate this time frame to be between 1948 (?) and June of '52. I always wondered where the MP cars came from, and given this information, I bet it's Arkansas.

So, during this era, in summary:

Sunnyside coal from Utah went to Kaiser in predominantly UP, UCR and D&RGW gons (although there's at least one photo of D&RGW ballast hoppers in coal service); handed over to ATSF by UP in Barstow; (what was the mix of cars, in proportion?)

Arkansas coal went in predominantly (?) MP hoppers (photos show 2,3, and 4 bay hoppers, steel and composite). What other cars may have been used?

That leaves a question about how the New Mexico coal was delivered by ATSF and in what kind of cars?
Home road two bay steel and composite hoppers? Gondolas?
Any insight would be appreciated.
Regards, Otto Kroutil



Variety Of Cars At Coal Tipple

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is another photo link is from the Ohio Memory website at: http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/ .

 

It shows three different varieties of gondolas and one hopper car at the Wasson Coal Company, Harrisburg, Illinois, in 1923.

 

http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p267401coll32/id/9565/rec/1109

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Jeffrey Screen On PRR Flatcar

Bruce Smith
 

Pennsylvania Lines class FM flat car #931517, built 1906. Given that the photo is dated 1908, the car is pretty dirty after only 2 years of service.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:50 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
Here is a flatcar load project for the scratch builder in you.
This photo link is from the Ohio Memory website at: http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/ .
Caption: "Revolving screen made by the Jeffrey Manufacturing Company of Columbus, Ohio on a railroad car in the factory yard, 1908. Screens were used to separate different sized lumps of coal for different uses."  
Bob Chaparro


Jeffrey Screen On PRR Flatcar

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a flatcar load project for the scratch builder in you.

 

This photo link is from the Ohio Memory website at: http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/ .

 

Caption: "Revolving screen made by the Jeffrey Manufacturing Company of Columbus, Ohio on a railroad car in the factory yard, 1908. Screens were used to separate different sized lumps of coal for different uses." 

 

http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p267401coll32/id/9782/rec/448

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Fox Trucks & Riveted Wheels

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <spottab@...> wrote :

Based on their relative positions in the photo, I would hazard a guess that those trucks are from the tender, not a freight car.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA
===============
Likewise the shackles for safety chains on the ends of the sideframes.

Dennis


Re: CANADA SOUTHERN INFORMATION

Marty McGuirk
 

Gary,
 
The cars were former Michigan Central/NYC cars so I would assume the brake arrangement and B-end would be identical to those cars.
Speedwitch just did a book with lots of detailed photos of these cars. Volume 5 in the Focus on Freight Car series (I think).
 
Also, note the CASO lettering with the Westerfield kit is apparently not correct. If you haven't seen it already you might find something of interest on this web site:
 


From: "GARY Wildung garywildu@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC"
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:13:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CANADA SOUTHERN INFORMATION

 

I have a Canada Southern kit made by Westerfield. I am looking for some good detail photos of the underside with AB brakes and also the B end to help me build this model. Any help for where I can look for this?

Thanks Gary 



Re: Fox Trucks & Riveted Wheels

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/12/2016 8:37 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
Fox truck with riveted wheels
    If I remember correctly decades ago someone made paper riveted wheels in HO.



Dave Parker wrote;
I would hazard a guess that those trucks are from the tender, not a freight car.

    I thought those look like paper wheels which were normally used on passenger cars for a better ride.  Engine looks like a ten wheeler and as most of the damage is at the back (cab, etc) I going to do a SWAG and say the train was rear ended at high speed.

Remember this is just a SWAG!!!!!


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CANADA SOUTHERN INFORMATION

Gary Wildung
 

I have a Canada Southern kit made by Westerfield. I am looking for some good detail photos of the underside with AB brakes and also the B end to help me build this model. Any help for where I can look for this?

Thanks Gary 


Chicagoland RPM op session

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello everyone,

The Chicago RPM show in Lisle is coming up quickly. As an added activity, my Milwaukee Road layout will be running on Sunday, 10/23, from 9AM to 1 PM.. This would be a great conclusion to the show. No operating experience is needed and generally we use two man crews because of the size of the trains. Please contact me off list or at the show to sign up for the session.

Also will see many of you at the show at my spread.

Ted


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Re: Coal to California (Location Of Kaiser Steel Mill)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

It was stated, "One wonders if eastern coal would have become economical if the mill  had been located at the Port of Los Angeles, which is where Kaiser
wanted to build the mill instead of inland at U.S. Government insistence
due to fear of shelling by IJN ships during WW II."


If you examine the make-up of the government board that made this decision you will find it included members from other steel companies who did not want another steel mill in California. By not placing the mill at the port it increased Kaiser's cost for transportation and water. Kaiser made it work anyway.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: Fox Trucks & Riveted Wheels

Dave Parker
 

Based on their relative positions in the photo, I would hazard a guess that those trucks are from the tender, not a freight car.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Fox Trucks & Riveted Wheels

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This photo link is from the Ohio Memory website at: http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/ .

 

The link is to a photo of a train wreck on the Hocking Valley Railroad at Pemberville, Ohio. The accompanying information dates the photo to the 1930s but I believe the wreck took place much before then.

 

http://www.ohiomemory.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15005coll18/id/579/

 

Use the slider above the photo to enlarge it. It clearly shows a Fox truck with riveted wheels, two equipment designs less commonly found in photos.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: White Swan billboard reefers

Randy Hees
 

The door at one end of the car is a known Seattle Car & Foundry - Pacific Car & Foundry design, seen in catalogs. (the 1913 catalog is available in a reprint and on line)

The description notes that the car is set up with a trolley system for halves of beef or mutton complete with switches "to direct the halves to any track desired" with the meat left hanging while traveling, so most likely to aid loading and unloading by having one set of switches on the end of the car.

The catalog shows both the White Swan car and one for Frye and Company

Randy Hees

38121 - 38140 of 183396