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C&EI 40ft composite gon

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

There is a partial (but nice) image of a C&EI 40ft composite gon at the link below:

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/oem2002005620/PP/

Claus Schlund


Re: FDEX 9065 (Double Deck Reefer)

Bill Welch
 

Fruit Growers Express owned three groups of 40-ft reefers with built-in collapsible decking—50 steel cars built in 1940; a group of ex-PRR R7 re-builds usually w/8 hinges on the doors; and a series built to their 1926 design. These are broken out in the ORERs of the day. They were used with commodities whose packaging prevented stacking too high before crushing the contents. So equipped these cars required a minimum of coopering to protect the contents.

The photo is from a group taken in Pittsburgh very near the PRR's produce terminal.

Bill Welch


Re: FDEX 9065 (Double Deck Reefer)

anthony wagner
 

Bob, Per my 1-1-50 ORER There were 442 FDEX cars of which148 were shown as all steel. The ORER offers no information as to double deck but most FDEX cars had adjustable ice grates which reduced ice capacity by one half for certain sizes of ice. Tony Wagner


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:01 AM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
This is a link to an Ann Rosener photograph taken in September 1942 in Pittsburgh. It is from the Library of Congress Collection.
 
 
The first car in the third row is refrigerator car FDEX 9065. Barely visible (use the TIFF version of the image) on the car side are the words "Double Deck".
 
What more is known about double deck refrigerator cars such as this?
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Detroit and Mackinac boxcar photos found

gtws00
 

Photos Posted to Album named  GTWS00 Freight Car Photos Slides
These were all taken 1971 - 1974

George Toman


FDEX 9065 (Double Deck Reefer)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is a link to an Ann Rosener photograph taken in September 1942 in Pittsburgh. It is from the Library of Congress Collection.

 

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b07399/

 

The first car in the third row is refrigerator car FDEX 9065. Barely visible (use the TIFF version of the image) on the car side are the words "Double Deck".

 

What more is known about double deck refrigerator cars such as this?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Request for branchline re-coaling images

Dennis Storzek
 

Everybody seems to be citing examples in the flatlands... I thought the question was about the C&O?

Here is a link to a picture of the coaling platform at Cass, W.Va. on the Cass Scenic RR.

http://www.rgusrail.com/thumbs/wvcsrr/coal_station_01.jpg

 

The conveyor is a new addition... when I was there in the seventies, coal was still being moved to the tenders with a wheelbarrow. While it appears that in the photo coal is brought in by truck, formerly it was unloaded from hopper cars spotted on a track that ran parallel to the platform, further up the hill behind it.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Request for branchline re-coaling images

water.kresse@...
 

Great!

Al


From: "harperandbrown@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:46:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Request for branchline re-coaling images

 

On Santa Fe's Alma branch at the end of the run the steam locomotive was parked on the elevator track with a gondola of coal on the adjacent track. The engine watchman spent much of his evening shoveling coal from the gondola into the locomotive's tender.


Jared Harper
Athens, GA


---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Yes and yes.

 

On the Union Pacific’s Leavenworth Branch, coal was delivered in UP GS gons [STMFC content] and hand-shoveled onto the coaling platform.  The platform was just that: a raised platform with three sides (the open side faced the track) onto which coal was piled.

 

I will send you a couple of poor-quality photos off list.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 3:54 PM
To: Steam Era Frt Car Group
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FW: Request for branchline re-coaling images

 

 

Folks,

 

Has anyone photos of steam loco re-coaling platform like those used on branchlines.  From the C&O Officers, Stations and Agent books in 1902 and 1932 there were many coaling platforms to re-coal locomotives.  The one at New Castle, Va., on the Craig Valley Branch with its iron mines and forests, they list a 60-ton "platform" but on the drawings they list and show a 48' x 12' coal bin and sand house next to the water tower.  

 

Has anyone seen a photo of one of these? . . . and can describe the facility?

 

By 1950 they were just dumping a hopper car through the tracks and picking up the coal with a conveyor to load the bin and then using the conveyor to load the tender.  Pix of freight consists, either pulled by 4-6-0's and then early 1000-hp ands 1200-hp diesel switchers, show full hopper cars going into New Castle and empty ones returning with loaded stripped of bark 8 ft logs in pulpwood flat cars. One new switcher replaced two old 4-6-0's on their daily 110-mile round trips.

 

Thanks,

 

Al Kresse

 

 

 



Re: Additional Naperville Note

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks for your expertise Dick.
My bad luck was I bought five R-30-12-9 labeled kits second hand that indeed had all the extra goodies like different hatches etc, but still came with the short body (R-30-12).  Ordered 5 tall bodies from IM however, they sent me short ones with holes for grabs plus short ends. The others are not available unfortunately.

best regards from Holland, the only country where all people live in windmills and walk on wooden shoes
Fred Jansz


Re: UTLX 530 Model: Steve Hile please tell. . .

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I think it began with a photo purchased from Mike Gruber (Mainline Photos) who is always present at RPM meets including CCB, Collinsville, and Naperville, of UTLX 486 which shows an ACF type 21 car with two unequal compartments, apparently a retrofit from a single dome car.  According to the 1952 roster this car was a member of of group of similar/identical cars in series 450-734.  It appears that this is an 8000 gallon car that has had internal bulkheads added to create two separate compartments.  It appears that this car may have been previously numbered 726 having identical capacities listed in the 1936 tariff when compared to 486 in the 1955 tariff.  UTLX did not purchase any new ACF Type 21 cars, so 726/486 and the other cars in this series were, most likely, second hand purchases by UTLX during the depression.
 
The model is a stock P2k ACF Type 21 8000 gallon tank car kit.  Tom Madden kindly provided the extra dome and I cobbled up the elbow type safety valve.  The second safety valve atop the main dome was blanked off.  There is a dome platform and ladder on only one side, so I replaced the kit parts with styrene strip.  Archer Rivets were used to show the addition of the internal tank heads.  I used Yarmouth stirrup steps and made UTLX hazard placards from styrene scraps and Plano etched diamonds.  The car was painted with PollyS paint and lettered with decals that I have made with Rail Graphics.  Weathering is Pan Pastels.
 
Thanks for asking.
 
Steve Hile



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 5:38 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] UTLX 530 Model: Steve Hile please tell. . .

 

more about this very striking model. Thank you!


Bill Welch



Re: Wanted

Douglas Harding
 

I think I sent you photos of the wrong tender. Those may have been Bachman tenders. I know I have what you are looking for, but I’m not sure I have just a shell. I have a stash of MDC steam engine kits and assembled engines. This includes the ATSF 4-4-2 and 2-6-2 with tender you seek, but I’m sure I have an unassembled kit. I still have boxes from our recent move that have not been opened. I might have some time to look (unpack) on Friday.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Wanted

Steve SANDIFER
 

MDC used to sell the tender as a separate item. I have purchased several through the years. It is the beginning for a Santa Fe 12K tender.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Wanted

 

 

Wanted:   Model Die Casting Santa Fe 4-4-2 or 2-6-2 plastic tender shell.

 

Jared Harper

Athens, GA

706-543-8821


Wanted

Jared Harper
 

Wanted:   Model Die Casting Santa Fe 4-4-2 or 2-6-2 plastic tender shell.


Jared Harper

Athens, GA

706-543-8821


Re: Request for branchline re-coaling images

Jared Harper
 

On Santa Fe's Alma branch at the end of the run the steam locomotive was parked on the elevator track with a gondola of coal on the adjacent track. The engine watchman spent much of his evening shoveling coal from the gondola into the locomotive's tender.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


---In STMFC@..., <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote :

Yes and yes.

 

On the Union Pacific’s Leavenworth Branch, coal was delivered in UP GS gons [STMFC content] and hand-shoveled onto the coaling platform.  The platform was just that: a raised platform with three sides (the open side faced the track) onto which coal was piled.

 

I will send you a couple of poor-quality photos off list.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 3:54 PM
To: Steam Era Frt Car Group <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FW: Request for branchline re-coaling images

 

 

Folks,

 

Has anyone photos of steam loco re-coaling platform like those used on branchlines.  From the C&O Officers, Stations and Agent books in 1902 and 1932 there were many coaling platforms to re-coal locomotives.  The one at New Castle, Va., on the Craig Valley Branch with its iron mines and forests, they list a 60-ton "platform" but on the drawings they list and show a 48' x 12' coal bin and sand house next to the water tower.  

 

Has anyone seen a photo of one of these? . . . and can describe the facility?

 

By 1950 they were just dumping a hopper car through the tracks and picking up the coal with a conveyor to load the bin and then using the conveyor to load the tender.  Pix of freight consists, either pulled by 4-6-0's and then early 1000-hp ands 1200-hp diesel switchers, show full hopper cars going into New Castle and empty ones returning with loaded stripped of bark 8 ft logs in pulpwood flat cars. One new switcher replaced two old 4-6-0's on their daily 110-mile round trips.

 

Thanks,

 

Al Kresse

 

 

 


Re: Request for branchline re-coaling images

Aley, Jeff A
 

Yes and yes.

 

On the Union Pacific’s Leavenworth Branch, coal was delivered in UP GS gons [STMFC content] and hand-shoveled onto the coaling platform.  The platform was just that: a raised platform with three sides (the open side faced the track) onto which coal was piled.

 

I will send you a couple of poor-quality photos off list.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 3:54 PM
To: Steam Era Frt Car Group <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FW: Request for branchline re-coaling images

 

 

Folks,

 

Has anyone photos of steam loco re-coaling platform like those used on branchlines.  From the C&O Officers, Stations and Agent books in 1902 and 1932 there were many coaling platforms to re-coal locomotives.  The one at New Castle, Va., on the Craig Valley Branch with its iron mines and forests, they list a 60-ton "platform" but on the drawings they list and show a 48' x 12' coal bin and sand house next to the water tower.  

 

Has anyone seen a photo of one of these? . . . and can describe the facility?

 

By 1950 they were just dumping a hopper car through the tracks and picking up the coal with a conveyor to load the bin and then using the conveyor to load the tender.  Pix of freight consists, either pulled by 4-6-0's and then early 1000-hp ands 1200-hp diesel switchers, show full hopper cars going into New Castle and empty ones returning with loaded stripped of bark 8 ft logs in pulpwood flat cars. One new switcher replaced two old 4-6-0's on their daily 110-mile round trips.

 

Thanks,

 

Al Kresse

 

 

 


Re: FW: Request for branchline re-coaling images

water.kresse@...
 

Folks,

Has anyone photos of steam loco re-coaling platform like those used on branchlines.  From the C&O Officers, Stations and Agent books in 1902 and 1932 there were many coaling platforms to re-coal locomotives.  The one at New Castle, Va., on the Craig Valley Branch with its iron mines and forests, they list a 60-ton "platform" but on the drawings they list and show a 48' x 12' coal bin and sand house next to the water tower.  

Has anyone seen a photo of one of these? . . . and can describe the facility?

By 1950 they were just dumping a hopper car through the tracks and picking up the coal with a conveyor to load the bin and then using the conveyor to load the tender.  Pix of freight consists, either pulled by 4-6-0's and then early 1000-hp ands 1200-hp diesel switchers, show full hopper cars going into New Castle and empty ones returning with loaded stripped of bark 8 ft logs in pulpwood flat cars. One new switcher replaced two old 4-6-0's on their daily 110-mile round trips.

Thanks,

Al Kresse




Re: Additional Naperville Note

Dick Harley
 


Fred Jansz wrote, "...according to my recent experiences Red Caboose made a low R-30-12-9 (28mm high) and a high R-30-9 (30mm high)."

Hi Fred,
It's been many years since those cars were tooled, but I'll try to remember and get the story basically straight.  Red Caboose set off to create a PFE R-30-12-9 kit.  However, they used plans for an R-30-12, which had a shorter body and several other differences, but the same underframe.  When they released their initial R-30-12-9 kits in the RC-4000 series, knowledgeable folks quickly pointed out the error.  Red Caboose, much to their credit, tooled another taller body and end, and they correctly renamed the RC-4000 series kits as a PFE R-30-12.  I measure the shorter body casting at about 1.115" and the taller body casting at about 1.175" high.  Both grab iron and ladder versions of the shorter body were made, so the key to identifying them is their shorter door or actually measuring them.

The new taller car kits were correctly labeled R-30-12-9 or R-30-9, depending on the era of the lettering scheme (sub-classes were dropped with the R-30/40-19 class in 1944).  They do not come in a grab iron version, but they do have variants for wood or integral steel hatches, and KC or AB brakes.  They have a small steel plate above the taller door.  Recent R-30-12-9 undec kits had all of those parts.
See my SmugMug site for photos of the taller cars.  I have not built any of the shorter cars, though I have a few.

So, there are a variety of parts available, especially on the second-hand market.  And the labeling is not necessarily correct, if they are some of the early kits.  But, to be correct, any car labeled -9, be it R-30-12-9 or R-30-9, should have the taller body, and the shorter body would be an R-30-12 (or R-30-14).

What InterMountain calls those parts on any particular day, I cannot predict.


Hope this helps,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA



imho h&h tying qice

Al Gest
 

 

 

From: on behalf of "Dick Harley dick.harley4up@... [STMFC]"
Reply-To:
Date: Monday, October 24, 2016 at 4:56 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Traveling with models (was Re: Additional Naperville Note)

 

 


Both Dave Hussey and I flew to Chicago from SoCal for the RPM Chicagoland meet, and we both took several models. I suppose your experience depends on the TSA folks you meet, but my perception is that they are getting much better and friendlier. I do make a point of saying that my carry-on bag has model trains in it before it gets to the x-ray machine. I once had a TSA guy say, "Is that a 4-6-6-4?", and he was right. Last summer a TSA guy in Sacramento who didn't hear my warning said, "What's in this blue duffel?" After I said, "Model trains.", he said, "Oh, that's what those are!" This year going to Chicago the x-ray guy asked, "So where are the cars and planes?" Freight cars are really easy, because they don't have any electrical wires.

I now carry models in Plano model 23630 (now 2363001) polyethylene boxes, which hold three HO cars up to 60-ft. long. Just cradle in a layer or two of small bubble wrap and slide in up-side-down. The utility boxes protect the models completely, and you can put several boxes in a small duffel or similar bag as an airplane carry-on.
See: http://www.planomolding.com/fishing/stowaway-utility-boxes/prolatch-stowaway-utility-boxes
Their model 2373005 (was 3730) holds four longer HO cars or locos.

Maybe TSA Pre-check helps, but I have been carrying models this way long before that started. The bubble wrap cradle easily allows models to be slipped in and out of the clear boxes, if someone wants a closer look. But I have never had that happen in a decade of using this method.

So restrain your previous fears of carrying models on airplanes and take some with you to the next meet. TSA and the airlines are much more worried about Samsung 7 cellphones.

My congratulations too to Mike Skibbie and his crew for a great meet.
The pylons around the hotel made it mostly unnecessary to carry a schedule. And I agree with Dave that the open display / vendor room was really enjoyable.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: UTLX 530 Model: Steve Hile please tell. . .

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

more about this very striking model. Thank you!

Bill Welch

========


Now come on, Bill, you KNOW this is the experimental car UTLX built to transport casting resin for model RR kit production... designed for materials with a 2:1 mix ratio. The experiment came to an abrupt end when the car developed a leak in the bulkheads between the compartments, and the entire load went solid while in transit.


Dennis (warming up for April 1st) Storzek


Re: [EXTERNAL] 2016 RPM Chicagoland gallery

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Great!

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I have uploaded a passel of images from the recent RPM Chicagoland meet. These were all taken with my iPhone and are not sterling quality. Most were tweaked in Photoshop so you can see things better. I apologize for any harsh color shifts or lighting on some images. I was intending these to be for personal use but thought many of you would enjoy them. Here's the link.



http://www.pbase.com/ehansmann/2016_rpm_chicagoland



I was unable to tag one image with the modelers' name. It is the only image beginning with IMG. If anyone can pass that info along, I'd be happy to update the details on the file.



Thanks again to Mike Skibbe and his crew for a solid event!





Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Faded Logo Paint?

 

I have a builder’s photo of 40506, a 50’ DD box. The “N” is also hard to discern. I blame the lack of (or wrong) filter.





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni



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Notice the logo on this New Haven boxcar. The "N" appears to be very badly faded. Was this a common problem when black paint was used for the "N" on New Haven equipment?



http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/926606/38ed9532-4956-4963-b37e-947a3a06b1fd-A28860.jpg



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, VA

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