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PRR X28 Question

Bill Welch
 

In addition to several Red Caboose kits I also have X28 and X29 kits from Sunshine and want to improve details like the ladders. I have extra Red Caboose ladders to use and I am currently replacing molded-on rungs with 0.010 styrene rod.


My question is did the slightly taller X28 use the same ladders and therefore same ladder rung spacing as on  the X29? If not are there any known drawings or specs for the X28 ladders?


Thank you!

Bill Welch


Re: [EXTERNAL] Gondolas in Scrap tin service

Brad Andonian
 

Ray

Thank you!
Brad andonian




On Monday, October 31, 2016, 8:00 AM, Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi Brad, 

The Wheeling did NOT. The only extended height 'gondolas' they ever had were a few 1900-series flat cars converted to coke service with tall sides added. Those car, in the 3000-3002 series, only lasted between 1933 and 1936. The road may have occasionally added wood extensions to a car on an as-needed basis, but those conversions never show up in their ORER listings.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]"
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:34 AM
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Fellas,

I am aware of the prr gs series, I am seeking clarification of other roads specifically whether NKP or W&LE had them.

Thanks,
Brad


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On Monday, October 31, 2016, 7:16 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.


IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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Re: [EXTERNAL] Gondolas in Scrap tin service

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Brad, 

The Wheeling did NOT. The only extended height 'gondolas' they ever had were a few 1900-series flat cars converted to coke service with tall sides added. Those car, in the 3000-3002 series, only lasted between 1933 and 1936. The road may have occasionally added wood extensions to a car on an as-needed basis, but those conversions never show up in their ORER listings.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Gondolas in Scrap tin service



Fellas,

I am aware of the prr gs series, I am seeking clarification of other roads specifically whether NKP or W&LE had them.

Thanks,
Brad


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Monday, October 31, 2016, 7:16 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.


IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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To: STMFC
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Gondolas in Scrap tin service



Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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Re: [EXTERNAL] Gondolas in Scrap tin service

mwbauers
 

I don’t think this type of modded car was used for scrap steel turnings. Nor tin coated scrap sheets and bits.

Some years ago, where I worked was using those big Virginian coal gondolas for hauling shop steel chips and shavings a few miles to the scrap center. You know those very large gondolas with the three axle trucks….

One day I was driving near the scrap yard and several hundreds of feet away from it, was one of those scrap loaded gon’s with the back broken on it and the middle of the car sitting on the rails. [envision the chore of emptying that car where it was, then cutting the car up to get rid of it, and then the final clean up of all of the remaining metal chips on the ROW….]

Since then, steel scraps have gone out of the complex in relatively smaller truck hauled containers that are about the size of a small school bus.

I expect the tin scrap gon’s to be loaded with scrap tin boxes and housings and not denser tin sheet filling up the interior. The cars would break up from loads that completely filled the cars if it was mostly piles of steel sheets or scrap cuttings.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:08 AM, 'Gatwood, Elden  wrote:

Brad; 

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised. 

Elden Gatwood 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Gondolas in Scrap tin service

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I am aware of the prr gs series, I am seeking clarification of other roads specifically whether NKP or W&LE had them.

Thanks,

On Monday, October 31, 2016, 7:16 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.

http://www.pbase.com/ehansmann/image/149407023



IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 1:57 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Gondolas in Scrap tin service



Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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Re: [EXTERNAL] Gondolas in Scrap tin service

Eric Hansmann
 

An O scale Pennsy GS with side extensions was displayed at the 2013 RPM-East by George Smozski. Here's a link to the model image.

http://www.pbase.com/ehansmann/image/149407023



IIRC, there were a few GS gons outfitted with these slatted extensions for scrap tin loading at the Heinz factory.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On October 31, 2016 at 7:08 AM "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian





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Brake system details

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill Welch returns to the Resin Car Works blog with another Xxtreme Modeler installment. He shares his technique on finer brake system details in the latest post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/improving-brake-details/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: [EXTERNAL] Gondolas in Scrap tin service

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brad;

PRR had scrap gons in subclass G22C used out of Baltimore, IIRC, for use taking shavings to scrap users. They had side extensions made of wood, with interior vertical steel channels to hold the whole thing together. Grabs were added to reach full height, and the brake gear extended and platform raised.

Elden Gatwood

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Fellas

I am seeking info on what other eastern roads had scrap tin gondolas with side extensions. I have heard that W&LE may have, but would appreciate clarification and confirmation with car data if possible. I have images of such car for the SP out west....

Thank you,
Brad Andonian


Re: Wood Pulp

boomer44@...
 

Bob,
The wood pulp would be bales of paper pulp. Think of heavy duty blotter paper in a wire wrapped paper covered bale. The bale size was usually 2'x3' x2' or similar size... not quite a cube. The paper covering was the same paper pulp as was in the bale. The wire wrap was usually one wire each way so the bale wouldn't come apart. A bale would weight anywhere from 250 to 350 pounds. Bleached pulp would be white.

The paper mill you describe sounds like a specialty paper mill producing high quality paper. The pulp and rag with water would be beaten in a hydropulper until it became a slurry. This slurry would then be made into paper.

Gordon Spalty


Re: Wood Pulp

Bob Weston
 

The paper mill I'm interested in is located in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park at Jaite. It was served by B&O's CT&V subdivision.
Bob Weston


Re: Please identify truck?

Jack Mullen
 

Chuck, 
I don't think Brian's comments imply that L&N might have ordered "custom" trucks.  I think the point is that, in a period when cast sideframe design was evolving, it could have been that only L&N's order happened to receive this particular variant of an integral-journal cast-sideframe swing motion truck, before the design changed further. And sometimes obsolescent designs are reordered.

It's also possible there may be other examples that nobody's aware of. 

Jack Mullen


Re: Making Decals

 

Paul – I’ve used the Micro-Mark decal paper.  Just be sure to use enough clear coat on top of the printing to both keep the ink from smearing and the decal from tearing. – Al Westerfield
 

From: chris_hillman@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 6:22 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Making Decals
 
 

I believe I've seen on this list before talk about making our own decals. I've seen decal paper from Testors, Micro-Mark & others.

I have a Kodak "Office Hero 6.1" Ink-Jet printer. What are your suggestions for making our own decals. (Not White)


Thanks, Paul Hillman



Re: Atlas 52' gondolas in H0 scale?

Tim O'Connor
 


Bob

Of that entire thread I saved only one - from R. Hendrickson.


The Athearn 50-ft gondola recently was discussed in February 2011 starting with message 97280. There were 19 replies.

97280RE: [STMFC] Re: Athearn Blue Box Gondola



Bob Witt


Re: Atlas 52' gondolas in H0 scale?

Tim O'Connor
 


Tony, lol - I have bins and buckets and slots and dozens of those little
clear plastic boxes for parts. And a label maker - an essential shop tool! :-)
I can't remember where anything is so I have to sort and label everything.
The shelf with the car and track is right above the workspace.

Tim


Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

I had this old Bev-Bel decorated blue box kit and decided to do a one evening
project instead of tossing it out...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/30041891514/

   Love the backdrop, Tim .


Tony Thompson    


Re: Please identify truck?

Charles Peck
 

Yes, The trucks I photographed were under a L&N Little Woody caboose. 
I would find it strange that L&N, a frugal railroad, would have custom made
unique trucks made.  Especially twice.  On the other hand, if a manufacturer
had some trucks on hand that no one else was buying and offered L&N a
good price, I could believe that scenario.  But from what I seem to be hearing,
there are rather rare trucks.  Interesting.....
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:47 PM, brianleppert@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I'll agree with everything Dennis Storzek has written about this truck.  For built dates, I can add some cabooses shown in Morning Sun's L&N Color Guide, vol. 2, are said to be built in 1921 and 1924 with these trucks.  Could this caboose truck be unique to L&N?

There was also a freight version of this later T-section side frame truck.  Pere Marquette had house cars with them built in 1917, 1922, 1923 and 1926.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV



Re: Atlas 52' gondolas in H0 scale?

rwitt_2000
 

The Athearn 50-ft gondola recently was discussed in February 2011 starting with message 97280. There were 19 replies.

97280RE: [STMFC] Re: Athearn Blue Box Gondola


Bob Witt


Re: Atlas 52' gondolas in H0 scale?

Tom Larsen
 

Thank you for the comments, I’ll stay away from the model despite the very nice result Tim showed.
 
Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark


Re: Atlas 52' gondolas in H0 scale?

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

I had this old Bev-Bel decorated blue box kit and decided to do a one evening
project instead of tossing it out...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/30041891514/


   Love the backdrop, Tim . 


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Making Decals

Paul Hillman
 

I believe I've seen on this list before talk about making our own decals. I've seen decal paper from Testors, Micro-Mark & others.

I have a Kodak "Office Hero 6.1" Ink-Jet printer. What are your suggestions for making our own decals. (Not White)


Thanks, Paul Hillman



Re: Please identify truck?

brianleppert@att.net
 

I'll agree with everything Dennis Storzek has written about this truck.  For built dates, I can add some cabooses shown in Morning Sun's L&N Color Guide, vol. 2, are said to be built in 1921 and 1924 with these trucks.  Could this caboose truck be unique to L&N?

There was also a freight version of this later T-section side frame truck.  Pere Marquette had house cars with them built in 1917, 1922, 1923 and 1926.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

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