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Re: Prototype Rails 2017 at Cocoa Beach

Charles Peck
 

Rules were probably set by some paranoid old grouch.  I'm sure our generous,
 trusting  and wise leader would loosen these strictures if he were able.
Alas, the ways of YAHOO are inscrutable.
Chuck Peck in Florida

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Too bad this YahooGroup does not allow attachments.

Just who sets these rules, anyways!?!?

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

 
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Re: Prototype Rails 2017 at Cocoa Beach

Eric Hansmann
 

Too bad this YahooGroup does not allow attachments.

Just who sets these rules, anyways!?!?

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:48 PM, 'Mike Brock' brockm@cfl.rr.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

With the coming of winter [ in areas north of Florida ] it is time to
celebrate that famous day in history.the start of another Prototype
Rails.the RPM meet in Cocoa Beach, FL. This will be our 17TH year.all done
at the same Hilton Ocean Front Hotel. We now have the first list of
clinicians which is included on the attached flyer. I expect some additions
as we proceed.



Mike Brock







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CANADA SOUTHERN UNDERFRAME PHOTO OR DRAWING

Gary Wildung
 

Just got a Westerfield kit of Canada Southern box car. As this car 138191 was on the NP in Duluth in the late 1950's and I would like to add this car to my layout. I would like to get or buy a good picture or drawing of the underframe  with AB brake system as there is not a good photo of this part of the car. I talked to Jay Williams and got a good side view of one  of these car from him at the Naperville show. I have tried Terry web page on the Canada Southern and tried to contact him two different times with no luck, I think the NYC 13600 series car has the same underframe Thank you for any help on this matter.

Gary 



Re: Los Angeles Produce District Scene

Tim O'Connor
 


The wires don't appear to extend over the two outer tracks - so am I right to guess they
probably were switched by using poling from locos on the inner tracks? Another way of
course would be to use idler cars...

Tim O'



 Under trolley wire, too. The produce terminal must have been switched by Pacific Electric.
 Dennis Storzek


Re: Los Angeles Produce District Scene

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for this link. Other nice nuggets here too, like this PE boxcar:
 
 
Higher resolution here:
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Los Angeles Produce District Scene

The link below is to a photo from the Huntington Library's Digital Archives (http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/). It shows a very busy produce terminal (not for the claustrophobic) in the 1940s with trucks, reefers and boxcars all crowded together.

 

I'm going to guess that the cars were switched at night.

 

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15150coll2/id/17577/rec/974

 

Use the slider above the image to enlarge the photo.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


PR2017 Flyer with clinician list

Mikebrock
 

Oooops.     So, attachments are not allowed on the STMFC. Who came up with that idea? Hmmm. Me, I guess. Oh well, there’s more than one way to.......

 

The list of clinicians is included on the flyer seen below:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        

 

 

 

                                                                                                         PROTOTYPE RAILS 2017

COCOA BEACH, FL, JAN 5-7, 2017

 

An NMRA Sanctioned Event

A Prototype Modeling Meet Featuring Modular Layouts in O, HO and N Scale

1000 Models on Display—Please Bring Models!

 

Hotel

COCOA BEACH HILTON OCEANFRONT

1550 N. Atlantic Ave. [Highway A1A], COCOA BEACH, FL.

Phone: 800-526-2609 or 321-799-0003.

Refer to Prototype Rails or Code NMR17 for $107 Room Rate.

(Parking and internet access complementary)

 

Registration

Early registration $35, Please make your check payable to "Prototype Rails" and send to:

Marty Megregian, 480 Gails Way, Merritt Island, FL 32953.

                                                                                   

REGISTER EARLY: The cutoff date for early registration is January 1, 2017.

Registration received after that date is $45.

 

PR2017 Clinician List

Frank Angstead; Mike Boland; Al Brown; Jack Burgess; Jeff Cauthen; Scott Dam; Paul Dolkos;

George Eichelberger; Stuart Forsyth; Jared Harper; Steve Hile; Roger Hinman; Gail Komar; Jim Langston III; David Leider; Ron Lutton; Tom Madden; Carl Marchand; Daniel Munson; Jim Murrie; Bill Neale; Joe Oats; David Orr; Steve Orth; Jeff Otto; Frank Peacock; Rob Pisani; Cinthia Priest; Stephen Priest; Clark Propost; Bill Schaumburg; Jim Singer; Bruce Smith;  Al Sohl; Mont Switzer; Gilbert Thomas; Tony Thompson;

Bob Webber; Bill Welch; Fenton Wells; John Wilkes

 

Organizations, Manufacturers & Dealers, Tentative including:

ACL/SAL Historical Society, Atlas Models,  Bob's Photos, Bob the Train Guy, Broadway Limited Imports, DCC Install Sales,

5th Avenue Shops, Funaro & Camerlengo, Intermountain, Jay Williams Photos, Rapido, John C. La Rue Photos,

Mainline Photos, Motrak, Palace Car Co., Rapido, Scale Trains.com, Inc. Southern Car & Foundry, SRHA

 

The meet begins on Thursday, January 5th, 8 PM with video, slide shows and clinics.

Spouses/Guests not attending presentations do not have to pay registration.  

There will be a Friends of the Freight Car lunch at noon on Saturday at the hotel.  

Dinner at Florida’s Fresh Grill on Saturday evening:Steak or Fish $32; Chicken $28.

Email dinner choice & reservations to Scott.Dam @comcast.net; Limited to 50 people.

Meet ends with raffles and door prizes, 11 pm Saturday, Jan. 7th.

 

For More Information

http://www.prototyperails.com

(We will update the website as information becomes available.)

Contact Mike Brock at: brockm@... or 321-453-4140

If you want to be added to our email list, please send your email address to Scott.Dam@....

 

 

Please provide your name for your badge and guest’s name for a guest badge.  If would like you to provide your contact information so you can be included on our mailing/e-mail list and for any follow up, please include the additional information with your registration payment:

Name (for YOUR badge); address; phone number; e-mail; Spouse or Guest name (if attending)

 

 

20161108

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] PRR Depressed Center Flat Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

The last one is class F29. It has PRR class 2F-F1 six-wheeled trucks. Both cars were built to satisfy Westinghouse Electric's requests for bigger, badder depressed flat cars for transformers and the like, most out of Westinghouse's East Pittsburgh plant. The F28 came first, and was not a complete depressed center car, since it had shallow(er) side sills. The F29 was a true depressed center flat. They are probably both in So Cal doing what they did best.

Thanks for the links!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 1:38 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] PRR Depressed Center Flat Cars



The links below are to photos from the Huntington Library's Digital Archives (Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/ <Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/> ). They show a rough drawing and a partial image of a PRR depressed center flat car, plus another image of an unidentified depressed center flat car. The two photos were taken on 1/7/1928.



PRR F-29 Rough Drawing

Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24199/rec/3 <Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24199/rec/3>



PRR 435491 F-28

Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24191/rec/1180 <Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24191/rec/1180>



Unknown Depressed Center Flatcar

Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24190/rec/1178 <Blockedhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24190/rec/1178>



Use the slider above the images to enlarge them.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Los Angeles Produce District Scene

Tim O'Connor
 

The link below is to a photo from the Huntington Library's Digital Archives ( http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/ ). It shows a very busy produce terminal (not for the claustrophobic) in the 1940s with trucks, reefers and boxcars all crowded together.
I'm going to guess that the cars were switched at night.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15150coll2/id/17577/rec/974

Use the slider above the image to enlarge the photo.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Los Angeles Produce District Scene

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote :

The link below is to a photo from the Huntington Library's Digital Archives (http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/). It shows a very busy produce terminal (not for the claustrophobic) in the 1940s with trucks, reefers and boxcars all crowded together.

 

I'm going to guess that the cars were switched at night.

 

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15150coll2/id/17577/rec/974

 

Use the slider above the image to enlarge the photo.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Under trolley wire, too. The produce terminal must have been switched by Pacific Electric.


Dennis Storzek


Prototype Rails 2017 at Cocoa Beach

Mikebrock
 

With the coming of winter [ in areas north of Florida ] it is time to
celebrate that famous day in history.the start of another Prototype
Rails.the RPM meet in Cocoa Beach, FL. This will be our 17TH year.all done
at the same Hilton Ocean Front Hotel. We now have the first list of
clinicians which is included on the attached flyer. I expect some additions
as we proceed.



Mike Brock


PRR Depressed Center Flat Cars

thecitrusbelt@...
 

The links below are to photos from the Huntington Library's Digital Archives (http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/). They show a rough drawing and a partial image of a PRR depressed center flat car, plus another image of an unidentified depressed center flat car. The two photos were taken on 1/7/1928.

 

PRR F-29 Rough Drawing

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24199/rec/3

 

PRR 435491 F-28

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24191/rec/1180

 

Unknown Depressed Center Flatcar

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/24190/rec/1178

 

Use the slider above the images to enlarge them.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Los Angeles Produce District Scene

Paul Koehler
 

Bob:

 

If you enlarge the photo you will see the overhead wires.  This area was switched by the Pacific Electric.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:26 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Los Angeles Produce District Scene

 

 

The link below is to a photo from the Huntington Library's Digital Archives (http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/). It shows a very busy produce terminal (not for the claustrophobic) in the 1940s with trucks, reefers and boxcars all crowded together.

 

I'm going to guess that the cars were switched at night.

 

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15150coll2/id/17577/rec/974

 

Use the slider above the image to enlarge the photo.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Los Angeles Produce District Scene

thecitrusbelt@...
 

The link below is to a photo from the Huntington Library's Digital Archives (http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/). It shows a very busy produce terminal (not for the claustrophobic) in the 1940s with trucks, reefers and boxcars all crowded together.

 

I'm going to guess that the cars were switched at night.

 

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15150coll2/id/17577/rec/974

 

Use the slider above the image to enlarge the photo.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: WABASH Photos: Helium car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Steve and List Members,
 
Thanks Steve for the good summary.
 
I will add that a builders photo of USQX 201 can be found in Mainline Modeler Dec1986 pg39. I believe one of the TSC books I own also has the same builders photo as well.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] WABASH Photos: Helium car

USQX 202 was built by Bethlehem Steel, 1927, and was one of 2 cars that were the first Army Helium 3-tube cars (201, 202) The Navy (USNX 1001) had one 3 tube car built by Bethlehem in 1926. These were poorly modeled by Lionel, complete with a dumper to dump the tanks like a bunch of logs.

 

The more traditional looking helium cars began with GATC 28 tube cars in 1930, USNX 1002-1006. I have an early wood kit for this one. It was offerred under several names. Mine comes from Universal Models.

 

There were 7-8 versions of the 30 tube cars modeled by AHM, Ambroid, NWSL, and Pecos River. These came from GATC, ACF, Darby, and Magor over a period of 30 years.

 

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:25 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] WABASH Photos some are freight cars

 

 

     The photo does look like the earliest helium cars, but Pintsch gas tanks in that era looked similar.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 

 


Re: WABASH Photos: Helium car

Steve SANDIFER
 

USQX 202 was built by Bethlehem Steel, 1927, and was one of 2 cars that were the first Army Helium 3-tube cars (201, 202) The Navy (USNX 1001) had one 3 tube car built by Bethlehem in 1926. These were poorly modeled by Lionel, complete with a dumper to dump the tanks like a bunch of logs.

 

The more traditional looking helium cars began with GATC 28 tube cars in 1930, USNX 1002-1006. I have an early wood kit for this one. It was offerred under several names. Mine comes from Universal Models.

 

There were 7-8 versions of the 30 tube cars modeled by AHM, Ambroid, NWSL, and Pecos River. These came from GATC, ACF, Darby, and Magor over a period of 30 years.

 

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:25 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] WABASH Photos some are freight cars

 

 

     The photo does look like the earliest helium cars, but Pintsch gas tanks in that era looked similar.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 

 


Re: CofG 10701 progress

Justin May
 

The provided K brakes included with the kit.

Justin May

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Todd Horton toddchorton@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Justin, what brake system did you use on this car?
 
Todd Horton



From: "Justin May westpointroute@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: CofG Modeler's List <cofgmodeler@...>; STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CofG 10701 progress

 
List,
For those interested in following my progress on the Central of Georgia flat car based on the Tichy model, I've recently completed some more progress.
The model should be completed tomorrow with better photos of the model on rails.
Justin May






Re: CofG 10701 progress

Todd Horton
 

Justin, what brake system did you use on this car?
 
Todd Horton



From: "Justin May westpointroute@... [STMFC]"
To: CofG Modeler's List ; STMFC
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CofG 10701 progress

 
List,
For those interested in following my progress on the Central of Georgia flat car based on the Tichy model, I've recently completed some more progress.
The model should be completed tomorrow with better photos of the model on rails.
Justin May



Re: CofG 10701 progress

O Fenton Wells
 

Looks very nice, thanks for sharing
Fenton Wells

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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: PRR X29D

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jeff;

Yes, aside from brake gear, there were X29D that had: a) all high tackboards; b) a mix of high tack boards on ends and low ones on the doors, and c) all low tack boards. The latter two were during the period where they were changing over from high to low, and some got a mix. There were also X29D in dedicated service that had racks, and rivets through the side sheets where they were attached. I have never seen any evidence of any other detail differences, but you never know. This was the Pennsy!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:28 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] RE: PRR X29D



Mike and Rich, thank you for your answers. I did not know they had physical differences in the ends. Are there any other physical differences?




Jeff Drennan


Re: PRR X29D

jdcellarmod@...
 

Mike and Rich, thank you for your answers. I did not know they had physical differences in the ends. Are there any other physical differences?


Jeff Drennan

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