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Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Nelson Moyer
 

One undecorated version is described as an unpainted kit, and the other version is described as unpainted RTR, but that one also says ready for decals. Dave, please correct the web site to say the RTR version is painted and ready for decals if indeed that is the case.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

 

The Tangent website at http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-8000-gallon-1917-design-radial-course-tank-car/

 

now includes the undecorated RTR and kit models.  Available in December.

Best wishes,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models

Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course ...

Bill Welch
 

That kind of info is on the website Walt.

Bill Welch

Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course ...

Walter Cox
 

I'm interested in the UTLX 1958 repaint. How many road numbers are available and does it come with AB brakes? Also can they be ordered with semi scale wheels? It's a great looking car. Thanks, Walt.
 

In a message dated 11/12/2016 11:13:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

We will get to Sinclair for sure.

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models

Re: WWII Troop Sleepers

Curt Fortenberry
 

Alaska RR still has quite a few troop cars in MOW service, although I haven't seen the allied trucks in quite some time. A few are set about the state in museum or tourist display.

Curt Fortenberry

Re: MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

I'm trying to think of a single FVM model that I like......
Nope, nothing comes to mind.

I'll never understand vendors. For years and years we wish for a rib side
car. Then we get them from Intermountain, Rib Side Models, and Exactrail.
Now from FVM too. Goofy!

And PRR X31 and X32 round roof cars? Other than the funky Bowser models?

(crickets chirping)

Tim O'Connor

I dunno. Somehow the phrase "Rib Side Models" keeps popping into my head.
It's a puzzle.
Edward Sutorik

Re: MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

spsalso
 

I dunno.  Somehow the phrase "Rib Side Models" keeps popping into my head.

It's a puzzle.



Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

Robert kirkham
 

That’s interesting.  Any idea whether the full length rib versions or the shorter ribs?

 

Rob Kirkham

 

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Subject: [STMFC] MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

 




Fox Valley Models announced they are doing MILW 50-foot rib side box cars next year, both the single and double door versions, in HO scale. The double door cars will also made in N scale.

 

Paul

 

Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA




Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Tangent Scale Models
 

The Tangent website at http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-8000-gallon-1917-design-radial-course-tank-car/

 

now includes the undecorated RTR and kit models.  Available in December.

Best wishes,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models

Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Tangent Scale Models
 

We will get to Sinclair for sure.

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models

MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

Paul Krueger
 

Fox Valley Models announced they are doing MILW 50-foot rib side box cars next year, both the single and double door versions, in HO scale. The double door cars will also made in N scale.


Paul


Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA

Re: Humble Oil Company Tank Cars

Tangent Scale Models
 

Steve,

I have a photo of HOX 477 from 1935 or so.  I will send it to you off list.  It is a 10,000 gallon version of the type 17, non-insulated of course.

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models

Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Rich C
 

Tim, I talked to David at Trainfest and he said the Undecs will be out in December

Rich Christie


On Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:26 AM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 

Great model ! But the undecs are not on the web site yet. I just
ordered the 1958 UTLX. I hope David will do more cars still in service
in the 1960's... VENX / North American for example. :-)

Tim O'Connor

>Congratulations David!
>
>Wonderful choice to produce. I nominate SINCLAIR (SDRX) be considered next. There were at least 600 of these in the approx 6400 car fleet of this famous oil company. The 8K gallon car was a frequent carrier of the large block lettering denoting the company name. For those who cannot wait, consider using Black Cat decals with the Tangent undecorated kit.
>
>SINCLAIR also rostered at least 400 10K gallon cars of the Type 17 style. I hope Tangent considers this option for a variant of the basic model.
>
>Another addition to our growing fleet of tank car models----Thank you!
>
> From frosty Grove City, Penna, Regards----Mike Schleigh



Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I second the request for SINCLAIR tanks.



Schuyler



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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car





Congratulations David!



Wonderful choice to produce. I nominate SINCLAIR (SDRX) be considered next. There were at least 600 of these in the approx 6400 car fleet of this famous oil company. The 8K gallon car was a frequent carrier of the large block lettering denoting the company name. For those who cannot wait, consider using Black Cat decals with the Tangent undecorated kit.



SINCLAIR also rostered at least 400 10K gallon cars of the Type 17 style. I hope Tangent considers this option for a variant of the basic model.



Another addition to our growing fleet of tank car models----Thank you!



From frosty Grove City, Penna, Regards----Mike Schleigh



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Subject: [STMFC] Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car





Live from Trainfest in Milwaukee WI: Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next ALL-NEW freight car replica, the General American 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car. This is the first plastic radial course tank offered in HO plastic! (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).



By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home. In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs. In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 8,000 gallon non-insulated tank car. Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses. These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption. At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks. Additionally, tank car lessor firm Union Tank Line purchased a very large fleet of these cars as well, decorated in the distinctive UTLX “gold on black” scheme. Between UTLX, Deep Rock, and other schemes to come in future releases, think of this as the first “crude oil” tank car of consequence. The GATC 1917-design prototypes were the most prolific tank cars built during this period and were found everywhere from 1917 to roughly 1970.



The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 8,000 Gallon General Service Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes. Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights. Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement. Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.



Our new ready to operate replicas are available for sale now at www.tangentscalemodels.com and we are selling a small batch of these cars at Trainfest in Milwaukee on November 12-13. General shipping for the remainder of our cars will begin on December 13 – we are taking orders now so don’t miss out!



Whether wearing “plain” UTLX black lease colors or the colors of a lessee, these replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout! Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO! Our first stunning release includes the following five paint schemes:



- AESX "Staley - Decatur" 1952+” in the attractive “A.E. STALEY MFG. CO.” scheme with the classy STALEY logo which states “Products from Staley’s corn and soybeans.” Also, DECATUR, ILLINOIS is proudly stenciled on the car. As always, this scheme comes directly off of a prototype car that matches our model. These tank cars delivered corn products to receivers nationwide, making them broadly applicable to almost every railroad in North America. Our STALEY 1952+ cars come with era-correct AB-brakes and are available in four road numbers.

- DRX "Deep Rock - Cushing" 1940+” in the attractive “DEEP ROCK” scheme with the properly rendered gold stenciling. These cars also feature the “CUSHING OKLA.” spelled out with white stenciling. The Deep Rock fleet was a large fleet numbering in the thousands and virtually all of them were this GATC prototype painted this way. Many of the tank cars during this era were painted in billboard schemes like this one. These tank cars delivered oil nationwide, making them broadly applicable to almost every railroad in North America. Our Deep Rock 1940+ stunners are available in six road numbers.

- GATX "Globe Soap – Cincinnati" 1920+” with nicely-rendered Globe Soap graphics on the side of the car, plus mention of “CINCINNATI OHIO” as the home town for the cars (Globe was eventually acquired by Procter and Gamble). While in today’s world it is hard to imagine soap products as a tank car commodity traveling by rail, remember that the combination of manufacturing and packaging practices, as well as pre-truck era, both contributed to tank cars being used for more than just oil-related commodities at that time in our nation’s history. This car is accurately stenciled for 1920 and likely lasted until the mid-1940s in this scheme, complete with era-appropriate K-brake system. These stunning cars are available in two road numbers.

- UTLX "Original 1920+" is one of two UTLX offerings in this production run: an “early” and a “later” car. Union Tank Car Company’s UTLX lease fleet was comprised of tank cars from a variety of builders, including several large orders for GATC tank cars. Numbering in the thousands, this fleet was part of the backbone of the large Standard Oil-owned fleet and are very relevant cars for those that need UTLX tanks – and more statistically relevant than the ACF prototypes you probably already have on your layout now (sorry, but it is true). These nationwide service cars include a 1920 paint date on the side of the car, and an era-correct K brake system. This UTLX lease scheme is available in six road numbers.

- UTLX "Black Repaint 1958+" is the second of two UTLX offerings in this production run. This scheme is the prototype repaint that was applied to UTLX cars in 1958. The car also includes an era-appropriate AB brake system. This UTLX lease scheme is available in four road numbers.

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling! Available December 13.

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well. When you gripe that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are. These are ready for building or kitbashing, and decaling. Great for those who desire to build their own. Available December 13.



Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older



Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 8,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car! Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to 1970, and they went everywhere!



Pricing for RTR models is $44.95. High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com <http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/> and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.



That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry!



David Lehlbach – live from Milwaukee WI at Trainfest!

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UTLX and SHPX late 1930's Fleets

Jeremy Dummler
 

Good evening,
I'm looking for some info on the tank car fleets owned by UTLX and SHPX from the late 1930's. Most specifically, I'm interested in finding out what car types both lines owned, and their number series. If anyone can point me to a location to get the info, or can provide that, I would greatly appreciate it.

Jeremy Dummler,
Wauconda, IL

Allegany Refiners, Inc. (ARIX) 8K and a few 10K tank cars

Schleigh Mike
 

Perhaps one or more of you have information on the subject's cars.  I find the following in the several listings noted below----

7-1934  None listed.
7-1935  31 cars -- 101-121, 151-160 @ 8000 gal.
7-1936  35 cars -- 101-121, 151-163 @ 8000 gal., 251 @ 10000 gal.
1-1939  36 cars -- 101-121, 151-163 @ 8000 gal., 251, 252 @ 10000 gal.
4-1940  None listed.

Their presence in the ORERs was brief.  All issues checked indicated that Warren Tank Car Co. of Warren, Penna. performed service and repairs as needed.  Most of the 8K cars were rated for 40 tons but a scattered few were rated at 50 tons.  This would have been really only a matter of the truck's rating for nominal loading.  Petroleum cars of 8K gallons would not have loaded beyond the 40 ton nominal load.

I do not have immediately available most of the recent tank car books to look for photos.  I have reviewed Ted Culotta's Book 2 of steam era freight car manual and the Kaminsky AC&F book with nothing turned up.

Allegany Refiners was a small operation located near Bolivar, New York and served by the Pittsburg, Shawmut & Northern RR.  The refinery was in operation barely 20 years, mid-1920s to just past WWII.  The 'Shawmut' ceased operation on March 31, 1947.

I was asked about these cars by a new acquaintance who is studying the PS&N.  Any would welcome any details that might be found.  Thanks in Advance!!

Regards---Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

Re: WWII Troop Sleepers

Edward
 

Draft gears are used on nearly all coupler installations. They cushion the buff and draft forces induced by train operation. Cushion underframes are quite different.

Draft gears are designed for the kind of equipment using them. Freight car draft gears differ in some respects from those designed for use on locomotives or passenger equipment.

Sometimes there is no draft gear at all, such as on small industrial switchers, or even steam powered yard switchers back in their time.

On passenger and express cars used in passenger service, run-in and run out of 'slack' is minimized by the designs of draft gears and couplers used that kind of service. Troop cars were in all respects (other than their boxy shape) passenger equipment.

People in them moved about. Their crews had to stand and cook meals in moving kitchen cars. Not easy or safe to do, with the kind of run-in and run-out that freight cars do in a train. Troop sleepers and kitchen cars would have been equipped with passenger service type draft gears that may have been manufactured by a number of providers. Among them were Miner, National and Waughmat. The troop car design was such that conversion to freight equipment would not be all that difficult to do.

Best to find a troop sleeper somewhere and check what make of draft gear it has. It would be very unlikely
to have been changed to one of a different design. I saw a troop sleeper in Ely NV on the Nevada Northern in 2007, still on its original Allied full cushion trucks. It's likely still there. I'm sure there are a few others around in railway museums, etc.

Ed Bommer


Re: CASO 279521 Box Car

Eric Lombard
 

Ouch! My apologies to St. Thomas. Thanks for the correction, Pierre

Re: WWII Troop Sleepers

Bruce Smith
 

​Dave,


Based on the photos I have of troop sleeper and kitchens, no, they do not appear to have an sort of cushion underframes.


Regards

Bruce Smith



From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:37 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] WWII Troop Sleepers
 


I had cause to pull out RPC #5 and re-read the article on WWII troop sleepers.  It said the 50ft cars were closely patterned after ordinary 50ft boxcars.  I noted the differences from run of the mill boxcars WRT brakes and trucks… I did not see anything about draft gear.

 

Does anyone know the draft gear on these cars was run-of-the-mill freight car equipment or was it cushioned in some way given the lading was people?  Any guesses?

 

Dave Nelson



Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Ken Adams
 

From the original Tangent posting announcing these cars it appears the undecorated models are scheduled for a December release. 

As a late 40's early 50's (My 1954 cutoff is pre the 1958 UTLX version) California modeler, what would be the appropriate decals for UTLX in that period? I would want a version with AB brakes by that time period.

Also what would be shipped in that period in these cars? Refined or crude petroleum products?

Or would these cars be found mostly in the Texas/Oklahoma, Midwest and East Coast traffic?

Ken Adams

Re: CASO 279521 Box Car

Ted Culotta
 

I think the NYC (and MDT) nomenclature referred to these underframe crossmembers as crossties as opposed to crossbearers, just to pick a nit.

Cheers,
Ted