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Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Bill Welch
 

I model October 1955, 2+ years after K Brakes were banned. No UTLX car YET, for my time period. No General American at all YET.

Bill Welch


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Clark Propst
 

The lettering on the Tangent cars is outstanding. I understand some wanting an undec kit, but why would someone want an undec RTR car?  Just curious.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

John Barry
 

Beautiful cars.  And the lettering on the 1920+ UTLX matches the builder's photo very well.  The trucks are upgraded on the model though to a 50 ton truck making the cars accurate for my 1945 era where all but three in the UTLX 70000-70999 series had 100000 pound capacity.  I think they probably had been reweighed and remarked with the higher capacity when the trucks changed.  Its still a great looking car that is needed for the Standard Oil of California at Richmond that will be one of my large customers.  I plan to get a number of them.  I was lucky to obtain four of the Sunshine X-3's, those I could really use a bunch of but these are a good start.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC cataldotj@... [STMFC]"
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tangent Radial Tank Car

 
Scott,

Yeah, but… for the undec RTR,
it doesn’t show or say if it has K or AB brakes… so your suggestion, while useful for the decorated models, is not so useful to actually answer the question that has been asked ;)  (We’ll assume that the kit allows both)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:18 PM, 'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Nelson,


Click on the picture box, on the right side of the page, for the model you're interested in. You'll get an expanded description including that information. 

Scott Haycock



I haven’t seen any information on which type of brakes are on the painted undecorated RTR car, i.e. KC or AB. Anybody know?
 
Nelson Moyer








Re: MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

Brian Termunde
 

Tim,
I knew you, as are most of the people on this great group are in that 'other' scale, so I was just having a bit of fun with you.

It's so nice to have such fantastic companies producing such a wonderful variety of equipment. Sometimes we N Scalers get a bit spoiled! And it's nice to see you HOer's jealous of US once in awhile instead of it being the other way around!

In addition to having a bit of fun with you, it also was a way to acknowledge that FVM does service us N Scale people with a very nice selection of products, and to say thank you to them!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


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6b. Re: MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley
Posted by: "Tim O&#39;Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250
Date: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:29 am ((PST))


Brian, sorry, I should have said HO scale. I have only vague knowledge of N scale products.

Some of them are certainly better than their HO scale counterparts!

As for the HO scale Wagontop, Exactrail's model is the best but they only did the early version
and now I guess they're out of money and will not be doing any new tooling.

As for the HO scale 40 foot MILW cars, again Exactrail's model is the best but of course it only
represents one of many variations. Intermountain really screwed up their model (asymmetric
sides) but strangely have not fixed it. (Same story with their PS 4750 so they seem committed
to their errors.) But the Ribside models fill in the gaps for multiple variations of 40 and 50 foot
cars.

Tim

================================

>Well Tim,
>I've got their B&O wagontops, Milwaukee Rib Side 40 footers (both long and short rib versions as well as both single and double door), their 50 foot Rib Sides in Express paint (to ship out all of those Willapa Bay Oysters [or is that ersters? ) their Milwaukee Rib Side Cabeese, and I think an FMC 5347 - which I need to get rid of, my dealer misunderstood what I wanted and got me one of these - a VERY unlikely thing to see on a 1953 NP/Milwaukee Branch line!
>
>So I have to say that I like FVM VERY much! In fact, much of my Milwaukee Road roster is made up of FVM products.
>
>Of course, I'm in 'N'ormal scale, not that Horribly Oversized one. ; )
>
>Take Care,
>
>Brian R. Termunde
>Midvale, Utah


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Scott H. Haycock
 

Bruce, 

My mistake. I looked all over the website, but couldn't find that info on the undecorated RTR car. Maybe they will come out with a version of each.  Other options include dome heights and fittings, Cardwell draft springs, handbrakes- you get the picture.

Scott Haycock


 

Scott,

Yeah, but… for the undec RTR,
it doesn’t show or say if it has K or AB brakes… so your suggestion, while useful for the decorated models, is not so useful to actually answer the question that has been asked ;)  (We’ll assume that the kit allows both)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."






Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Scott,

Yeah, but… for the undec RTR,
it doesn’t show or say if it has K or AB brakes… so your suggestion, while useful for the decorated models, is not so useful to actually answer the question that has been asked ;)  (We’ll assume that the kit allows both)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:18 PM, 'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Nelson,


Click on the picture box, on the right side of the page, for the model you're interested in. You'll get an expanded description including that information. 

Scott Haycock



I haven’t seen any information on which type of brakes are on the painted undecorated RTR car, i.e. KC or AB. Anybody know?

 

Nelson Moyer







Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Scott H. Haycock
 

Nelson,


Click on the picture box, on the right side of the page, for the model you're interested in. You'll get an expanded description including that information. 

Scott Haycock


 


I haven’t seen any information on which type of brakes are on the painted undecorated RTR car, i.e. KC or AB. Anybody know?

 

Nelson Moyer




Pullman-Standard 50' PS-1 panel width

Justin May
 

Is there a known dimension for welded panel widths of the 50' PS-1? I have found two different panel counts on various PS-1s and was curious if the dimensions are known. Based upon my measurements, it appears the 14 welded panel cars are dimensioned in the following fashion:

Door + 2' half panel + 3.5' full panel + 3.5' full panel + 3.5' full panel + 3.5' full panel + 2.5' panel +2.5' panel

I am interested in the 16 welded panel cars specifically such as:


The overall side length to either side of the door appears to 20.5'.

Thanks for any guidance,
Justin May


Tangent Radial Tank Car

Nelson Moyer
 

I haven’t seen any information on which type of brakes are on the painted undecorated RTR car, i.e. KC or AB. Anybody know?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Common Standard hopper car panel side rebuilds

David
 

PRR did a one-off Gla rebuild (Glf) and Stan Rydarowicz made a kit for it at one time. That would be the closest commercial match to the CN/GTW/CV cars. Otherwise, you're on your own for modifying a Gla with 3D printed panel bulges.

David Thompson


Re: SHPX Tank Car Decals

Allen Ferguson
 

Thanks for the pat on the back but it wasn't me. I haven't produced a SHPX decal set .
Allen Ferguson


Re: HO tank cars

Dave Parker
 

Bruce is correct.  In the 1936 tariff book, there were about 28,000 cars running under GATX (rough count, made by summing column inches per page and cars per inch).  Of these, only about 620 were multi-compartment (2.2%) -- all numbered between 1039 and 1749.  Of these, only 38 were two-compartment cars (0.1% of the total fleet).  I spotted ~6 that look like they might be same car type as GATX 1638.

Very nice model, but a statistical rarity indeed.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Sunday, November 13, 2016 3:00 PM, "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
​This is like asking for a "pickle car" for many reasons...

1) There is no one type or builder of 2 dome cars.  Most of the major tank car builders built such cars.
2) There is no one capacity of 2 dome cars.  They ranged from small to large.
3) Two dome cars are pretty rare.  If you're going to wish for a tank car, please wish for the UTLX X-3 or GATC model 30 in mass produced plastic, which were by far the most common tank cars of the transition era.  The SCF 2 dome resin HO kit is a gorgeous car, but there is the potential that it models... one car.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO tank cars
 


I don't know what the capacity was of the two-dome cars.  I do not have any data on them.  It is interesting to note that Lionel probably made several thousand two-dome Sunoco tank cars for train sets.  There was one in almost every O and O-27 set.  But in HO only Globe made one.  Irv Athearn did not offer that model after he acquired Globe but he did make thousands of HO scale F7A diesels using the Globe technology.




Re: Deep Rock (was Tangent Scale Models GATC ... tank car)

Matt Herson
 

A scan of the car is on Rail Car Photos –
http://railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=63175

The car is actually an older car than the Tangent model as it has a single row of rivets not a double row mandated in 1917.

Matt Herson

From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:46 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Deep Rock (was Tangent Scale Models GATC ... tank car)

 
Stephen

I'm sure you meant not allowed in unrestricted interchange. :-)

But the January 1953 ORER shows no DRX reporting marks for anything.
I think that means the cars were no longer in Deep Rock service. There
is a Matt Herson photo of a vintage PTC Deep Rock tank car on the ChP
in Mexico in the 1970's - and it still has KC brakes!

Tim O'Connor

===============================

  Problem with the Deep Rock is that it has KC brakes, and those were not allowed
  in interchange after (?) Jan. 1, 1953. 
  J. Stephen Sandifer


Re: MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

Tim O'Connor
 

George

Ed Hawkins covered the problems when the cars came out. YMMV.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/stmfc/conversations/messages/71779

Tim O'Connor



 Tim,
 Can give more details as what is wrong with the Intermountain Ribside Cars?
 Thanks
 George Toman


Re: HO tank cars

Ted Culotta
 

Schuyler,

Jon was at Collinsville with kits for sale. I think you can likely get one at Cocoa Beach.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: MILW 50-ft rib side box cars from Fox Valley

gtws00
 

Tim,
 Can give more details as what is wrong with the Intermountain Ribside Cars?
Thanks
George Toman


Re: F30D Trailer Train flat photos

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

There is a good deck shot of F30D 475051 on pages 52-53 of the PRR flat car book. I think the real issue with doing an F30D (or any of the other PRR trailer flats) is the difficulty of doing the tie-downs, bridge plates and hitches in a cost-effective and survivable manner. I'm not surprised he hasn't pulled the trigger on this one.

Elden Gatwood

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We'll contact Lee directly, but he knows that the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee exists for precisely this reason ;) We have both the diagrams and multiple photos, many of which have been published in the Keystone and The Keystone Modeler.





And, it is class F30D, not F30, to pick nits... :)





Regards


Bruce Smith


Auburn, AL


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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:44 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] F30 Trailer Train flat photos



While talking with Lee English at teh Bowser booth at Trainfest yesterday, we got to the subject of him running the F30 flat car as an early Trailer Train model.

While he was interested, he said that he hasn't had any luck finding usable photos or diagrams of what went up on the deck to make the conversion.





Could anyone suggest a good source for these?





-Fritz Milhaupt

Operations Road Show

Blockedhttp://www.railsonwheels.com/ors


Re: SHPX Tank Car Decals

golden1014
 

Hi Bill,

Hope you're doing well out there in sunny Hawaii. I am in cold rainy Berlin this week.

Al Ferguson of Black Cat makes an excellent HO set. I got a few from him a couple of years ago. Outstanding quality.

John Golden


Re: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8, 000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

brian k. dick
 

That is also my question with the new RTR Undecorated tank cars having no photo to inspect. Do these painted RTR undec's have K brake or AB

  brake gear on them?  More information would be helpful.

                                                 Brian Dick




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To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Tangent Scale Models GATC 8, 000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
 


Problem with the Deep Rock is that it has KC brakes, and those were not allowed in interchange after (?) Jan. 1, 1953. 

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tangent Scale Models GATC 8, 000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

 

Tom Larsen  wrote:



 

How often was a tank car shopped/serviced/reweighed and restenciled?

 

       Rarely, because the light weight was not used for freight billing. Practically all cargoes were billed by gallonage (which is why the gallonage was lettered on the car end), but reweighing was not needed, and might not be done for decades. 



How late could you find a car with the 4-23-40 date like the Deep Rock car in service?

 

        Probably into the 1960s or until the car went out of service. But the cars were sold (in the late 1950s, IIRC) and the new owner likely repainted them. Does anyone have the sale date?

 

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Re: Deep Rock (was Tangent Scale Models GATC ... tank car)

Tim O'Connor
 

Stephen

I'm sure you meant not allowed in unrestricted interchange. :-)

But the January 1953 ORER shows no DRX reporting marks for anything.
I think that means the cars were no longer in Deep Rock service. There
is a Matt Herson photo of a vintage PTC Deep Rock tank car on the ChP
in Mexico in the 1970's - and it still has KC brakes!

Tim O'Connor

===============================

  Problem with the Deep Rock is that it has KC brakes, and those were not allowed
  in interchange after (?) Jan. 1, 1953. 
  J. Stephen Sandifer

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