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Re: Silver Fox Lard Company Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

In addition to Ed’s very detailed comments, I would add that these cars have some other detailing problems. Chief among these are the lack of the outward facing channel on the side sill of the car.  In addition, the brake gear is molded to the base plate of the center sill, not free hanging, as in the Walthers/P2K type 21.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:


The InterMountain Railway Company's November product announcement
included HO & N Scale ACF Type 27 Riveted 8,000 Gallon Tank Cars.
These are re-releases featuring new car numbers and will be available
next summer.

One of the cars will be lettered for the Silver Fox Lard Company of
Carlstadt , New Jersey . Athearn did a single compartment Silver Fox
tank car in HO scale and Atlas in O scale. International Models also
did one in brass in O scale.

I assume the Silver Fox Lard Company had some connection to a packing
house or a packing house district in the Carlstadt area. I've been
unable to find anything on this company.

What is known about the Silver Fox Lard Company?

And how accurate are the InterMountain cars?

Bob,
SHPX 9119-9123, built 10-29 (ACF lot 1040) and SHPX 9124-9125, built
12-29 (ACF lot 1068) were uninsulated 8,000 gallon, Type 27 tank cars
leased to the Silver Fox Lard Company. A photo of SHPX 9120 was
published in RP CYC Volume 2.

Normally, SHPX cars having larger company stencils such as these Silver
Fox Lard Company cars were set up on a 10 year lease. However, the
Depression may have changed that. SHPX company records have not been
made available to determine changes in lessees over time.

SHPX 9119-9125 came equipped with KC brakes. The earliest Type 27 tank
cars had four anchor bands attaching the tank to the underframe. The
four anchor bands were typically located at each bolster and at the dome
platform attach points. Starting in 1934 ACF changed the design to two
anchor bands (at the bolsters) with a 2-year phase-in whereby cars with
two or four anchor bands were produced from mid-1934 to 10/36. All cars
of this size and design built after 10-36 had two anchor bands.

The InterMountain model follows the later and more common version with
AB brakes and two anchor bands. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins









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Re: Silver Fox Lard Company Tank Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:

The InterMountain Railway Company's November product announcement included HO & N Scale ACF Type 27 Riveted 8,000 Gallon Tank Cars. These are re-releases featuring new car numbers and will be available next summer.

One of the cars will be lettered for the Silver Fox Lard Company of Carlstadt , New Jersey . Athearn did a single compartment Silver Fox tank car in HO scale and Atlas in O scale. International Models also did one in brass in O scale.

I assume the Silver Fox Lard Company had some connection to a packing house or a packing house district in the Carlstadt area. I've been unable to find anything on this company.

What is known about the Silver Fox Lard Company?

And how accurate are the InterMountain cars?
Bob,
SHPX 9119-9123, built 10-29 (ACF lot 1040) and SHPX 9124-9125, built 12-29 (ACF lot 1068) were uninsulated 8,000 gallon, Type 27 tank cars leased to the Silver Fox Lard Company. A photo of SHPX 9120 was published in RP CYC Volume 2.

Normally, SHPX cars having larger company stencils such as these Silver Fox Lard Company cars were set up on a 10 year lease. However, the Depression may have changed that. SHPX company records have not been made available to determine changes in lessees over time.

SHPX 9119-9125 came equipped with KC brakes. The earliest Type 27 tank cars had four anchor bands attaching the tank to the underframe. The four anchor bands were typically located at each bolster and at the dome platform attach points. Starting in 1934 ACF changed the design to two anchor bands (at the bolsters) with a 2-year phase-in whereby cars with two or four anchor bands were produced from mid-1934 to 10/36. All cars of this size and design built after 10-36 had two anchor bands.

The InterMountain model follows the later and more common version with AB brakes and two anchor bands. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: HO tank cars

Mikebrock
 

Reaching a new high in computer incompetence [ and I wrote software that supported the Viking missions to Mars ], I already have numerous photos of SC&F in the STMFC photo section under “My Photos” [ are they anyone else’s? A responsive shrug of the shoulders].



Mike Brock





I am placing 2 photos of SC&F GATX #1638 2 dome tank car in the photo section…maybe.

Mike Brock

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Silver Fox Lard Company Tank Cars

thecitrusbelt@...
 

The InterMountain Railway Company's November product announcement included HO & N Scale ACF Type 27 Riveted 8,000 Gallon Tank Cars. These are re-releases featuring new car numbers and will be available next summer.

 

One of the cars will be lettered for the Silver Fox Lard Company of Carlstadt, New Jersey. Athearn did a single compartment Silver Fox tank car in HO scale and Atlas in O scale. International Models also did one in brass in O scale.

 

I assume the Silver Fox Lard Company had some connection to a packing house or a packing house district in the Carlstadt area. I've been unable to find anything on this company.

 

What is known about the Silver Fox Lard Company?

 

And how accurate are the InterMountain cars?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro


Broadway Limited Tank Cars

Bill Welch
 

Here are two pages MAYBE from the 2016-17 Broadway Limited catalog about their tank cars. Unsure if the link will take you to the two pages 80-81 or the entire catalog, hah.





Encyclopedia of B&O Cabooses Voume 4 by Dwight Jones

rfederle@...
 


Hello all,


I just got my copy of Dwight Jones new Caboose book titled "Encyclopedia of B&O Cabooses Volume 4. It covers the B&O I-5 and I-16 cars only. First it should be said that this is only my thoughts on the book and I am in no way connected to the book or its publishers or author and I have no monetary interests from this book. The opinions and descriptions I give are from my observations throughout the book.


First, inside the front and back cover is an index of this volume and includes index of volumes 1 through 3.  Also included are updates and corrections for previous volumes.


Chapter 1 contains data on research and records and the Cincinnati Railroad Clubs (CRRC) participation in saving and moving many records and documents that were recently saved and some used in the making of this Volume 4.


Chapter 2 Gives a general history and has many B&O documents.


Chapter 3 Covers the construction of the I-5 which includes detail photos, drawings interior and exterior photos. Included throughout the chapter are timelines of changes with a description of each. There are tables of car assignments and various documents. Rosters of cars by car number groupings and wreck data and photos.


Chapter 4 Covers the I-16 that was made from boxcar modifications. Many interior and exterior photos and again, a timeline of changes with descriptions of each. Throughout are documents and drawings. There are pages on the development and use of railroad radio. Again there are rosters and car assignments.


Chapter 5 Covers battery and reflective markers and related documents.


Chapter 6 Covers the whistles.


Chapter 7 Covers Paint and lettering with a timeline, photos, drawings and related documents.


Chapter 8 Briefly covers the shops where these cabooses were built and or repaired / modified.


Chapter 9 Finishes out the volume covering caboose trucks used and there are several pages of color photos. Also on the last page is a list of Dwight's other books as well as a list of caboose numbers and photos by page numbers.


It is a very nice volume that should appeal to the historian and modeler alike. When you have the chance, give it a look. Autographed copies are available direct from the author, Dwight Jones, and is also available at the Baltimore and Ohio Historical Society Company Store, Ron's Books and others. If ordered direct as I did, from the author, the price is $46.99 and $5.00 shipping. It should be noted that he accepts only checks or money orders as he is not set up for PayPal yet. His is address is

Dwight Jones

536 Clairbrook Ave

Columbus, Ohio  43228


Thank you.

Robert Federle



Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Tom Larsen
 

Tim O’Conner asked:
 
What's all this talk about reweighing tank cars? As far as I know
there was no requirement to reweigh tank cars. The gallonage was the
only number that shippers cared about, or were charged for.

There were shopping date stencils.
******************
I asked about when you could expect to find a car with the 4-23-40 date like the Deep Rock car in active service.
As I did not know if the date was  applied during shopping, servicing or reweighing or for any other reason, I asked a general question
Lots of info from the list as usual.
 
Thanks
 
Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

What's all this talk about reweighing tank cars? As far as I know
there was no requirement to reweigh tank cars. The gallonage was the
only number that shippers cared about, or were charged for.


   As I pointed out yesterday. 


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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: HO tank cars

Mikebrock
 

I am placing 2 photos of SC&F GATX #1638 2 dome tank car in the photo section…maybe.



Mike Brock



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Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Tim O'Connor
 

What's all this talk about reweighing tank cars? As far as I know
there was no requirement to reweigh tank cars. The gallonage was the
only number that shippers cared about, or were charged for.

There were shopping date stencils.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Kadee Trucks

Tim O'Connor
 


Kadee trucks, and especially Kadee HGC trucks, are wonderful looking and the HGC trucks
also perform wonderfully - BUT because of the peculiar Kadee bolsters, the trucks really have
limited utility. For some cars they work well, but they're a pain in the neck for many others.

The Bowser 2D-F8's are good enough for most uses.

Tim O'Connor


I had a chance to talk to Sam Clarke at Kadee yesterday at Trainfest.  I asked about getting the ARA Type Y (PRR 2D-F8) made in the new HGC compound sideframes, rather that the open spring look.  He suggested sending in a bunch of emails from different names requesting that.  Apparently there has not been too great a demand for this particular style.  If you'd care to voice an opinion, contact him at
 
http://www.kadee.com/locator/kadee-e-mail-questions/
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile


Re: HO tank cars

Jack Mullen
 

Steve Sandifer said:

The SC&F cars has two compartments of just over 3000 gal each. However, it looks like a 10K tank in overall size.

Wait a minute! I don't know what you're comparing to, but that's just not true unless one of the models is grossly in error, and I don't doubt Jon Cagle's accuracy.

There is "lost" tank volume due to the void space between the interior heads of a multi-compartment tank, but that's a volume of a few hundred gallons, not 4000.  If a 6K 2-dome tank were the size of a 10K single, 40% of the tank's length would be empty space.

The smaller domes of a multi-compartment car do tend to make the tank look larger than it is. 

Jack Mullen


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Bill Vaughn
 

  • Product: GATC 1917-design 8000 Gallon Non-Insulated Tank Car
  • Scale: HO Scale 1:87.1
  • Truck: Tangent 50-Ton Cast Steel Spring Plank Truck
  • Wheels: CNC-Machined 33″ Flat Back Wheels
Undecorated Unpainted RTRare available and ready for decaling. Our unpainted RTR car comes configured with a K-brake system, with Cardwell draft springs, and a “flat” hand brake. These models will be great for those who desire to model their own. Available December 13.

Bill Vaughn


On Monday, November 14, 2016 12:07 PM, "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Scott,

Yeah, but… for the undec RTR,
it doesn’t show or say if it has K or AB brakes… so your suggestion, while useful for the decorated models, is not so useful to actually answer the question that has been asked ;)  (We’ll assume that the kit allows both)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:18 PM, 'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Nelson,


Click on the picture box, on the right side of the page, for the model you're interested in. You'll get an expanded description including that information. 

Scott Haycock



I haven’t seen any information on which type of brakes are on the painted undecorated RTR car, i.e. KC or AB. Anybody know?
 
Nelson Moyer








Re: Common Standard hopper car panel side rebuilds

midrly
 

David--

Thanks for your reply.  I'll have a look for one of these kits.  The CN, CV, and GTW cars differed between roads as to which panels were used on a car side, and in the case of CV cars, some car sides had flat panels and bulged panels. 

As for 3D printing, I don't know much about it, but know someone who does.  I imagine that 3D printing would be the way to go to allow a panel design to be scaled up or down--there is a Common Standard car in O scale (Lionel?). But the Tichy car is too large for these, yet an excellent model for the larger USRA rebuilds.

Steve Lucas


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Dave Parker
 

Steve:

Yes I was wondering.  In addition to the 1936 tariff book, which lists these road numbers as 10,000 gallon cars, there were no 702xxx or 703xx cars in either the 1926 or 1930 ORERs.  This suggests that the "upward" renumbering you mention took place very soon after these cars were built.

Do you have any additional insights?

Thanks as always for your advice and expertise in all things UTLX.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Monday, November 14, 2016 5:03 PM, "'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I would get the AB brake version and see about changing the reweigh date.  The 1958 one is a bit curious, anyway, although there is undoubtedly photo evidence to support it.  UTLX did a lot of its AB brake conversions in the years between WWII and 1953.   The conversion would certainly result in a weight change.  I believe David will use other dates and other numbers in future runs, assuming these sell well, as they should.
 
I have the opposite problem in that I wanted a K brake version.  So now I have to decide how to deal with the delivery paint with Union Tank Car Company over on the lower right hand side of the tank, because by the 1930's, they were placing that phrase above the reporting marks, as on the AB brake version.
 
For anyone with a tariff list that is wondering, UTLX purchased 1000 of these 8000 gallon tanks to the GAT design in 1920 that were originally numbered in the 70xxx range, as the builder's photo shows.  But these cars were later renumbered into the higher ranges of the 7xxxx sequence to allow the low end of the sequence to contain 10000 gallon Class Z cars, as they were being picked up, second hand, during the 1930's.
 
Tangent has got a nice winner here!
 
Steve Hile


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 6:22 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

 
I model October 1955, 2+ years after K Brakes were banned. No UTLX car YET, for my time period. No General American at all YET.

Bill Welch



Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I would get the AB brake version and see about changing the reweigh date.  The 1958 one is a bit curious, anyway, although there is undoubtedly photo evidence to support it.  UTLX did a lot of its AB brake conversions in the years between WWII and 1953.   The conversion would certainly result in a weight change.  I believe David will use other dates and other numbers in future runs, assuming these sell well, as they should.
 
I have the opposite problem in that I wanted a K brake version.  So now I have to decide how to deal with the delivery paint with Union Tank Car Company over on the lower right hand side of the tank, because by the 1930's, they were placing that phrase above the reporting marks, as on the AB brake version.
 
For anyone with a tariff list that is wondering, UTLX purchased 1000 of these 8000 gallon tanks to the GAT design in 1920 that were originally numbered in the 70xxx range, as the builder's photo shows.  But these cars were later renumbered into the higher ranges of the 7xxxx sequence to allow the low end of the sequence to contain 10000 gallon Class Z cars, as they were being picked up, second hand, during the 1930's.
 
Tangent has got a nice winner here!
 
Steve Hile



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 6:22 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

 

I model October 1955, 2+ years after K Brakes were banned. No UTLX car YET, for my time period. No General American at all YET.


Bill Welch


Re: Kadee Trucks

Dave Parker
 

Steve and Group:

Because they are, incongruously, listed by Bowser as "70 ton AAR ", some folks may not realize that their 74277 truck (74286 for frame only) is a perfect match for the PRR 2D-F8 (as per  Richard
Hendrickson).   Nicely cast, and very attractively priced.

One rather minor flaw in the Bowser trucks is that do not have an obvious spring plank.
For the detail-oriented, this can easily be "faked" by gluing two small slivers of cardstock or Mylar into the bottom of the spring box.

These Bowser trucks do have brake shoes cast into the sideframe.  I usually shave these off and replace them with the Kadee 441 shoes.  They snap right in without any modification to the bolster.

With Rebox 1.035" wheelsets, these are great trucks (IMO).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Kadee Trucks

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I had a chance to talk to Sam Clarke at Kadee yesterday at Trainfest.  I asked about getting the ARA Type Y (PRR 2D-F8) made in the new HGC compound sideframes, rather that the open spring look.  He suggested sending in a bunch of emails from different names requesting that.  Apparently there has not been too great a demand for this particular style.  If you'd care to voice an opinion, contact him at
 
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

gary laakso
 

Clark, modelers might want the car lettered differently and someone mentioned Sinclair and that Black Cat had the decals.  Maybe they want to spend their kit time on resin kits!
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 7:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car
 
 

The lettering on the Tangent cars is outstanding. I understand some wanting an undec kit, but why would someone want an undec RTR car?  Just curious.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Tangent Radial Tank Car

Bill Welch
 

I model October 1955, 2+ years after K Brakes were banned. No UTLX car YET, for my time period. No General American at all YET.

Bill Welch

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