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Re: Broadway Limited Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

"Short" discounts are now pretty common is my understanding. The days of 40-50%
wholesale discounts are disappearing fast.

Tangent actually gives a 20.5% discount if you order 24 or more cars direct from
their web site!

It could be worse Tim. For an order of 30 cars Tangent only offers a 20% dealer
discount. I don't know many folks dumb enough to fall for that if they wish to stay
in business.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: NATX welded 10,000g tanks

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Steve I'm very happy to hear that ! :-)

Tim O'



UTLX 39000-39499 were 10000 gallon welded tanks, ICC103W, similar to the Red Caboose model.  UTLX 49000-49499 were the 12000 gallon 103W's.  Both series were built by ACF under the same 1950 authorization and completed in 1951.
 
Steve Hile



The only exact match to the Red Caboose tank cars I've ever found
were the USAX 10,000 gallon cars built in 1949. They had no tall dome
platforms, and had open steel grid walkways e.g. USAX 11722

UTLX
had some extremely similar ACF built cars but I think they were
12,000 gallons (dome appears smaller compared to the tank) and had 2
extra steel bands to secure the tank to the frame e.g. UTLX 39150

North American did have riveted Type 27 tank cars that can be modeled
with the Intermountain car. And NATX 5326 was an ICC 103W that looks a
lot like the Red Caboose car, but it has the late 50's bracket type of
attachment to the tank and no steel bands.

Tim O'


UTLX tanks from Red Caboose model(was RE: NATX welded 10,000g tanks)

pennsylvania1954
 

I have a Red Caboose UTLX lettered welded tank kit. Now I know I have to change the number. In STMFC msg #135607, Elden cites Mont Switzer's article in MM for mods needed to get the Red Caboose model to match the UTLX prototype.  Can someone please tell me which MM issue Mont's article is in? Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



Re: Pullman-Standard 50' PS-1 panel width

Justin May
 

Jack,
Thank you for the information and I will certainly use it as a reference for my next project. I think I got fairly close to the proper panel spacing on my latest PS-1 project where I modified the panel count on a 50' single door PS-1 using Archer raised panel lines. I ended up using a nice broadside of a car found in the Southern Railway color guide. I'm not claiming it is perfect, but its my attempt to model the less common 50' PS-1.


Justin May

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:54 AM, jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Justin,
 The photo you linked is close to broadside for the left half of the car, so I'd suggest making a print and scaling.
Alternatively, it looks line all except the first panel at the end and the panel next to the door are the same width.
If we use your figures for the 14 panel car, assume the same widths for the first and eighth panels,  and divide the remainder evenly it gives (2.5 + 4 * 3.5) / 6 = 2.75 .
 
As a check, comparing the end and door panels to their adjacent panels, the ratios 2.5/2.75 and 2.75/2 are pretty close to what I get measuring the photo, .

It's quite possible that these's a GA drawing in a Cyc or RME that would give you a precise answer, but if no one comes up with such, I think these methods will be adequate for a credible model.

Jack Mullen











ADMIN: Criticism of manufacturer's business practice Executive Order

Mikebrock
 

I’m certain that all of the members are aware of the following group rule:

 

“Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free from criticism from other members. Criticism of a manufacturer's business practices is, however, not within the scope of the group.”

 

Hence, negative comments regarding manufactures selling packs of the same car…as in 4 cars in a pack…are in violation of the above rule. However, since it is in the best interest of the manufacturer to be notified that customers might find this objectional, I am writing an “executive order” allowing comments by members regarding 4 packs.

 

Mike Brock

STMFC Owner

 

 

 


Re: Broadway Limited Tank Cars

Richard Townsend
 

I contacted him and he signed me up for the cars I want.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2016 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway Limited Tank Cars

 
      I have just been in contact with a dealer in California who has almost all the four-packs on order from Broadway and is happy to break them up. I will give his contact info below, I don't know how many of each pack he might have, so it will kind of be first-come, first-served. Here is the contact:

Walter Schedler <waltschedler@...>


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Broadway Limited Tank Cars

riverman_vt@...
 




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From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Broadway Limited Tank Cars
Date: Tue, Nov 15, 2016 3:31 PM

 


AND they are only being sold in 4 packs !!! HOW IDIOTIC !!!

Especially when one considers that the cryogenic tank cars being released
are sold individually. Doh.

I really would like a few of these cars, in a few different schemes. They
have a couple of mixed packs of 4, but they're not in any combination that
I want.

I can just hear them whining "Sales are disappointing. I guess no one wants
tank car models."

Tim >:-o


   It could be worse Tim. For an order of 30 cars Tangent only offers a 20% dealer

discount. I don't know many folks dumb enough to fall for that if they wish to stay

in business.


Cordially, Don Valentine


         


Re: NATX welded 10,000g tanks

Steve and Barb Hile
 

UTLX 39000-39499 were 10000 gallon welded tanks, ICC103W, similar to the Red Caboose model.  UTLX 49000-49499 were the 12000 gallon 103W's.  Both series were built by ACF under the same 1950 authorization and completed in 1951.
 
Steve Hile



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:45 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NATX welded 10,000g tanks

 


The only exact match to the Red Caboose tank cars I've ever found
were the USAX 10,000 gallon cars built in 1949. They had no tall dome
platforms, and had open steel grid walkways e.g. USAX 11722

UTLX
had some extremely similar ACF built cars but I think they were
12,000 gallons (dome appears smaller compared to the tank) and had 2
extra steel bands to secure the tank to the frame e.g. UTLX 39150

North American did have riveted Type 27 tank cars that can be modeled
with the Intermountain car. And NATX 5326 was an ICC 103W that looks a
lot like the Red Caboose car, but it has the late 50's bracket type of
attachment to the tank and no steel bands.

Tim O'

========================

I know NATX had at least a few welded 10,000 gallon tanks in the 18150-series, but those had high dome platforms with railings. Did they also have any without that platform? In other words, did they have any that more or less look like the Red Caboose 10,000g ICC-103W model? I haven't been able to find any pics of the NATX 18100-series. Thanks Scott Chatfield



Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: UTLX X-3 end platforms

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Scott;

They were filled in with a plank platform. I crawled all over several of them, including the one at the Orange Empire RRM, and they were all wooden planks surrounded by the steel framework.

Elden Gatwood

I know the end platforms of UTLX X-3, X-4, and X-5 tank cars were
filled in between the bolster and end beam, but what were they filled
in with?

Scott Chatfield


Re: NATX welded 10,000g tanks

Tim O'Connor
 


The only exact match to the Red Caboose tank cars I've ever found
were the USAX 10,000 gallon cars built in 1949. They had no tall dome
platforms, and had open steel grid walkways e.g. USAX 11722

UTLX
had some extremely similar ACF built cars but I think they were
12,000 gallons (dome appears smaller compared to the tank) and had 2
extra steel bands to secure the tank to the frame e.g. UTLX 39150

North American did have riveted Type 27 tank cars that can be modeled
with the Intermountain car. And NATX 5326 was an ICC 103W that looks a
lot like the Red Caboose car, but it has the late 50's bracket type of
attachment to the tank and no steel bands.

Tim O'

========================

I know NATX had at least a few welded 10,000 gallon tanks in the 18150-series, but those had high dome platforms with railings. Did they also have any without that platform? In other words, did they have any that more or less look like the Red Caboose 10,000g ICC-103W model? I haven't been able to find any pics of the NATX 18100-series. Thanks Scott Chatfield



Re: UTLX X-3 end platforms

Rufus Cone
 

I know the end platforms of UTLX X-3, X-4, and X-5 tank cars were filled in between the bolster and end beam, but what were they filled in with?

Scott Chatfield
There is an 8-page document on prototype detail written by Steve Hile and posted on the Resin Car Works site. This shows several variations in the platforms with prototype drawings.
http://www.resincarworks.com/extras/kit4-01_UTLX10kX-3_protodata.pdf

--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: UTLX X-3 end platforms

Tim O'Connor
 

wood

I know the end platforms of UTLX X-3, X-4, and X-5 tank cars were filled in between the bolster and end beam, but what were they filled in with?

Scott Chatfield


NATX welded 10,000g tanks

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I know NATX had at least a few welded 10,000 gallon tanks in the 18150-series, but those had high dome platforms with railings.  Did they also have any without that platform?  In other words, did they have any that more or less look like the Red Caboose 10,000g ICC-103W model?  I haven't been able to find any pics of the NATX 18100-series.  Thanks

Scott Chatfield


Re: Pullman-Standard 50' PS-1 panel width

Jack Mullen
 

Justin,
 The photo you linked is close to broadside for the left half of the car, so I'd suggest making a print and scaling.
Alternatively, it looks line all except the first panel at the end and the panel next to the door are the same width.
If we use your figures for the 14 panel car, assume the same widths for the first and eighth panels,  and divide the remainder evenly it gives (2.5 + 4 * 3.5) / 6 = 2.75 .
 
As a check, comparing the end and door panels to their adjacent panels, the ratios 2.5/2.75 and 2.75/2 are pretty close to what I get measuring the photo, .

It's quite possible that these's a GA drawing in a Cyc or RME that would give you a precise answer, but if no one comes up with such, I think these methods will be adequate for a credible model.

Jack Mullen








UTLX X-3 end platforms

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I know the end platforms of UTLX X-3, X-4, and X-5 tank cars were filled in between the bolster and end beam, but what were they filled in with?

Scott Chatfield


Re: Broadway Limited Tank Cars (Dealer E-Mail)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Unfortunately, Yahoo truncates e-mail addresses.

 

E-mail addresses need to be broken up to keep them intelligible. such as

 

chiefbobbb AT verizon DOT net

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


oops

Robert kirkham
 

My apologies for sending irrelevant stuff to these lists.  Not at all sure what’s occurring but will go silent for the time being.

 

Rob Kirkham


Re: Robert Kirkham shared "CPR La Riviere Subdivision" with you

Robert kirkham
 

OK give the next a try.

 

Rob

 

From: Jeff Pinchbeck [mailto:jpinchbeck@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:57 PM
To: STMFC@...; 'Robert kirkham' <rdkirkham@...>
Subject: RE: Robert Kirkham shared "CPR La Riviere Subdivision" with you

 

OK, that worked and I got it.  Next…

 

Jeff

 

 

From: Robert kirkham [mailto:rdkirkham@...]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 10:58 PM
To: 'Jeff Pinchbeck'
Subject: RE: Robert Kirkham shared "CPR La Riviere Subdivision" with you

 

Well, glad it worked sort of – not the most obvious software when I use it once in a blue moon.  Anyhow, I removed all but one file; so let’s see if that works.

 

Rob

 

From: Jeff Pinchbeck [mailto:jpinchbeck@...]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 6:22 PM
To: rdkirkham@...
Subject: RE: Robert Kirkham shared "CPR La Riviere Subdivision" with you

 

OK, that worked but Dropbox wants me to upgrade because I have no space.  No winning, eh?  Can you share a smaller amount?

 

Jeff

 

 

From: Robert Kirkham (via Dropbox) [mailto:no-reply@...]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:10 AM
To: jpinchbeck@...
Subject: Robert Kirkham shared "CPR La Riviere Subdivision" with you

 

Hi Jeff,

Robert Kirkham (rdkirkham@...) invited you to edit the folder "CPR La Riviere Subdivision" on Dropbox.

Go to folder


Enjoy!
The Dropbox team

 

© 2016 Dropbox


Re: Broadway Limited Tank Cars

Tony Thompson
 

      I have just been in contact with a dealer in California who has almost all the four-packs on order from Broadway and is happy to break them up. I will give his contact info below, I don't know how many of each pack he might have, so it will kind of be first-come, first-served. Here is the contact:

Walter Schedler <waltschedler@...>


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Broadway Limited Tank Cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 11/15/2016 11:05 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
getting together to split some of the four-packs, since apparently Broadway is not selling any individual cars. Shall we re-visit that idea? I am interested in several of the cars, but don't need four of any of them.

    I have pre-ordered a 4 pack of Hooker (when I thought they were black).  I don't need 4 and would like to trade at least 2 of them.  It seems a little expensive to mail them back and forth but I will be in the CA Bay area.  It might also be possible from who I ordered them from to mix them  before shipment.

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