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Re: flat wire

Jack Burgess
 

Try Pro Custom Hobbies:



http://www.procustomhobbies.com/

then click on Search and type in in the search box:



DET-2524



That is one of the flat bar stock items. Click on Back to Manufacturer’s Listing, scroll down and click on Detail Associates. I’d call them and see if it is in stock.



Jack Burgess

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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:45 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] flat wire





Good luck finding it. Detail Associates products seem to be gradually disappearing. I suggest Ebay.



Bill Welch


Re: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

James E Kubanick
 

Bill,

Thanks for posting yet another informative series of photos. I find these to be very educational.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:45 PM, "BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Thanks, Bill. See you in Cocoa Beach!

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List
Reply-To: STMFC List
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 12:17 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: [STMFC] Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

Here is a Link to my Dropbox: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps

Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps Shared with Dropbox
View on www.dropbox.com
Preview by Yahoo


There you will find Photos of:

1.) IMWX/Red Caboose paneled roof on Branchline body with ends in place to show how it fits perfectly side-to-side and lengthwise.

2.) Yarmouth "Sill Step" for Branchline boxcars looking good, temporarily held in place w/grab irons.

3.) Yarmouth Gypsum Running board in place on a C&BT boxcar body showing off one piece assembly—"Latitudinals" and end supports all etched together. Body is in process to be a Monon 1947 Pullman built welded boxcar from their 1–250 series. I had already assembled a Plano brake step into place but the Yarmouth running boards come with appropriate brake step.

The Yarmouth parts are engineered and designed by Peter Aue who many of us have gotten to know. Well done Peter!

Bill Welch

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Re: NYC Lot 871-G

Dave Nelson
 

The NYC Historical Society sells a set of cd’s of mechanical drawings for gondolas.  The Greenville design is well covered – with one exception – the crosstie for wood floor cars is missing.  It is distinctly different from what was used on steel cars  as they had to make room for 4 inch Z bars to support the wood floor. 

 

There are a lot of drawings on these cd’s but not a lot of cars are completely represented.  For instance, loads of details about the 1822 CUFT gons, such as found in Lot 526-G but the critical drawings – centersill, underframe, side and floor details, are, essentially, blank.  OTOH the set for the 52ft War Emergency gon appears to be complete and the 40ft WWII emergency gon appears to be complete enough that, w/ some photo help, should get one to a complete car. 

 

Lots of G.A. drawings, so I guess it becomes a personal judgement as to how much is enough.  I do my work in 3d modeling software so I want a lot... could probably make do w/ less.   I guess if a 5-8ft view is good enough then more STMFC designs are complete.  YMMV.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 3:26 PM

 

Does anyone know where one could find Greenville factory drawings for this gon or any other Greenville produced car. I'm trying to find where the factory drawing now call home. Supposedly they are still in western PA. 

 

Thanks

Mark


Re: NP reefer " 3 door"

ROGER HINMAN
 

The cover of the October 31, 1955 Railway Age has a nice 3/4 view of NP91611 showing the brake end. I don’t have the issue but have a mediocre xerox; the brake wheel appears to be Ajax, the running board is too heavily shaded to make a call. Many libraries carry back issues of the magazine.


Roger Hinman



On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:59 AM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I have on the workbench a  recently acquired Northern Pacific "3 door " Resin Parts refrigerator kit  by Stan Rydarowicz, series 91500 to 91999. The reefers were built in the NP Brainerd Shops in 1954. I have found good photos, "A" end only, one color ( Bob's Photos ) and one black and white, NP 91835, a Wade Stevenson photo on the NP Historical Assoc. website. I also found the equipment drawing for this series of reefers on the NPRHA site. Even with this data I still need help. The kit has a Morton running board and brake platform  which I can not verify are correct. And, as I have only been able to find photos of "A" end I do not know the brake wheel. Do you have any data on these reefers to help with my unknowns?  In advance I Thank You for your time and effort to respond to my request for help.

Happy Holidays, Lester Breuer 







Re: flat wire

Dave Pfeiffer
 

Try Precision Scale.

Dave Pfeiffer



On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:44 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:




Good luck finding it. Detail Associates products seem to be gradually disappearing. I suggest Ebay.

Bill Welch





Re: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

 

Thanks, Bill. See you in Cocoa Beach!





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni



From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 12:17 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .





Here is a Link to my Dropbox: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps

Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps Shared with Dropbox
View on www.dropbox.com
Preview by Yahoo


There you will find Photos of:



1.) IMWX/Red Caboose paneled roof on Branchline body with ends in place to show how it fits perfectly side-to-side and lengthwise.



2.) Yarmouth "Sill Step" for Branchline boxcars looking good, temporarily held in place w/grab irons.



3.) Yarmouth Gypsum Running board in place on a C&BT boxcar body showing off one piece assembly—"Latitudinals" and end supports all etched together. Body is in process to be a Monon 1947 Pullman built welded boxcar from their 1–250 series. I had already assembled a Plano brake step into place but the Yarmouth running boards come with appropriate brake step.



The Yarmouth parts are engineered and designed by Peter Aue who many of us have gotten to know. Well done Peter!



Bill Welch





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Re: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Very nice Bill 

On Tue, 13 Dec, 2016 at 18:17, fgexbill@... [STMFC]
wrote:
 

Here is a Link to my Dropbox: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps


There you will find Photos of:


1.) IMWX/Red Caboose paneled roof on Branchline body with ends in place to show how it fits perfectly side-to-side and lengthwise.


2.) Yarmouth "Sill Step" for Branchline boxcars looking good, temporarily held in place w/grab irons.


3.) Yarmouth Gypsum Running board in place on a C&BT boxcar body showing off one piece assembly—"Latitudinals" and end supports all etched together. Body is in process to be a Monon 1947 Pullman built welded boxcar from their 1–250 series. I had already assembled a Plano brake step into place but the Yarmouth running boards come with appropriate brake step.


The Yarmouth parts are engineered and designed by Peter Aue who many of us have gotten to know. Well done Peter!


Bill Welch


Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

Bill Welch
 

Here is a Link to my Dropbox: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps


There you will find Photos of:


1.) IMWX/Red Caboose paneled roof on Branchline body with ends in place to show how it fits perfectly side-to-side and lengthwise.


2.) Yarmouth "Sill Step" for Branchline boxcars looking good, temporarily held in place w/grab irons.


3.) Yarmouth Gypsum Running board in place on a C&BT boxcar body showing off one piece assembly—"Latitudinals" and end supports all etched together. Body is in process to be a Monon 1947 Pullman built welded boxcar from their 1–250 series. I had already assembled a Plano brake step into place but the Yarmouth running boards come with appropriate brake step.


The Yarmouth parts are engineered and designed by Peter Aue who many of us have gotten to know. Well done Peter!


Bill Welch


Re: flat wire

Bill Welch
 

Good luck finding it. Detail Associates products seem to be gradually disappearing. I suggest Ebay.

Bill Welch


Re: flat wire

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Ed,
 
Detail Associates sells flat brass bar stock, their product range goes even smaller than the dimension you are asking about. For example, in my inventory here at home I have 0.015x0.024 and also 0.015x0.042, and there are other small dimension items in their line that I don't have, so check around.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:05 AM
Subject: [STMFC] flat wire

Anyone know where I can get small quantities flat wire, maybe .031 in wide?


Ed Mines


Operating Prototype Handbrakes

thecitrusbelt@...
 

We've had a lot of discussion about handbrakes so I'll add this to the mix. This is a link to a twenty-one minute Chicago & North Western employee training film titled "Switches, Handbrakes and YOU":

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekWe0C9Z00

 

The section on handbrakes begins at 9:50 into the film. There are many close-up shots of handbrake equipment in use.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 2 bay hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"I was gifted three 2 bay hoppers last night. An Accurail USRA, and Athearn, and something else? It’s longer than the Athearn with 9 outside posts, the center beam appears to have a screw in the center. Train Miniature perhaps?"

Correct, and still sold by Walthers.


"The thing is lettered V&O, does it have a prototype?"

Yes.  Prototype is the Pullman-Standard PS-3 HM.  See the October 1998 and November 1998 issues of Mainline Modeler for more details.

Your model is most likely from a "3 of a kind" run done by Train-Miniature in the late 1970s for both the Virginian and Ohio and Allegheny Midland.  You'll readily find a buyer for it - if you want a PS-3, I'd sell this model and pickup another as there are plenty of these things with bogus paint schemes out there.


Ben Hom 
 


flat wire

ed_mines
 

Anyone know where I can get small quantities flat wire, maybe .031 in wide?


Ed Mines


Re: 2 bay hopper

ed_mines
 

assuming it's plastic, it sounds like a Train Miniature.


I think it was based on a Pullman Standard design.


Ed Mines



2 bay hopper

Clark Propst
 

I was gifted three 2 bay hoppers last night. An Accurail USRA, and Athearn, and something else? It’s longer than the Athearn with 9 outside posts, the center beam appears to have a screw in the center. Train Miniature perhaps? The thing is lettered V&O, does it have a prototype?
 
Thanks, even though I didn’t give much to go on...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Rolling on model paints

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Denny,

I have used paint marked or “pens” for doing fussy stripes. Generally I use the side of the tip as that seems to do a much better job.

The other choice is to use Bare Metal Foil which comes in variations of silver including chrome, which gives a real chrome-like finish. Ya sticks it on, burnish it and then use a very sharp #11 blade to trim along the edges. Then you can pull the excess off. It takes a very light amount of pressure to trim, just about the weight of the knife itself.

Model car guys use it a lot in all scales. It should be available in any good hobbyshop (if you can still find one) or some craft stores. If nothing else you can go to

http://bare-metal.com/bare-metal-foil.html

There is link to a tutorial on the page just under the informational part and before the listing of the various types of foil.

I’ve used it myself and with a tad of practice it becomes rather easy. Time consuming yes but gives good results. And one package will probably be all you will ever need unless you go into super detailing 1/18 and larger automobiles.

John Hagen

 

Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:34 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Denny Anspach" docdenny34

I am facing a daunting model painting challenge: Applying silver color/paint with precision on just the “knife-edge top surfaces” of a lot of long closely-parallel cast/embossed brass ridges .020” deep and about 0.015” across the top (flat, more or less). This is to represent what was decorative chrome stripping. Not unexpectedly, I have attempted silver decal striping (Microscale 1”) without success (I cannot keep the decal balanced on top of the ridge -and straight at the same time- long enough to even begin to set in good position. Trimming it accurately is also beyond the capabilities of my eyesight. Accurate masking is all but impossible because of clearance restraints. So, the thought occurs that I could roll paint across the top surfaces, but….do tiny paint rollers to do this even exist?

This is a little like cloisonné.

Ideas, thoughts from the cogniscenti?

Denny
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento CA


NP reefer " 3 door"

frograbbit602
 

I have on the workbench a  recently acquired Northern Pacific "3 door " Resin Parts refrigerator kit  by Stan Rydarowicz, series 91500 to 91999. The reefers were built in the NP Brainerd Shops in 1954. I have found good photos, "A" end only, one color ( Bob's Photos ) and one black and white, NP 91835, a Wade Stevenson photo on the NP Historical Assoc. website. I also found the equipment drawing for this series of reefers on the NPRHA site. Even with this data I still need help. The kit has a Morton running board and brake platform  which I can not verify are correct. And, as I have only been able to find photos of "A" end I do not know the brake wheel. Do you have any data on these reefers to help with my unknowns?  In advance I Thank You for your time and effort to respond to my request for help.

Happy Holidays, Lester Breuer 





Re: NYC Lot 871-G

Charles Tapper
 

These were the only P&LE "Greenville" clones with grabs instead of ladders. One step that makes using the P2K gon easier.

Charlie Tapper
OKC


On Dec 12, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Mark Landgraf----

I have a Greenville 'erection' drawing and it might have a P&LE option.  I think it covered two different orders (railroads).  I will have to dig a bit to get it un-buried but I will try to do this in a day or so.

Regards----Mike Schleigh


From: "Mark Landgraf mark_landgraf@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: "Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>; STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC Lot 871-G

 
Does anyone know where one could find Greenville factory drawings for this gon or any other Greenville produced car. I'm trying to find where the factory drawing now call home. Supposedly they are still in western PA. 

Thanks
Mark

From: Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 5:48 PM
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC Lot 871-G

 
Hello Dave!

The P&LE Gondola Book (Gorzoch, Polarity, Sparico) on page 27 calls it a Greenville-design.

Regards from the northern suburbs of Pittsburgh, in Grove City----Mike Schleigh



From: "'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] NYC Lot 871-G

 
In 1956 the NYC’s DSI shops built 1000 52’ 6” gons, 15 panels, for P&LE series 13000-13999.
 
Did these cars follow a commercial design (e.g., Greenville, Bethlehem, Pullman) or was it a home-rolled design?  If the former, which one?
 
TIA.
 
Dave Nelson






Hand Brake Articles

 

Group,


The subject of hand brakes has come up a couple of different times recently.


Here are some articles that I believe anyone interested in this topic should acquire and copy for a basic reference file.


Hand Brakes by Jeff English,   Feb. 1986 Mainline Modeler

Brake Wheels by Ed Hawkins,   Sept. 1996 Railmodel Journal

Freight Car Hand Brakes-1920's to 1950's by Pat Wider    RPCYC 10

and the currently mentioned

A Modelers Guide to Freight Car Hand Brakes by Richard H. Bale   MRH-Nov. 2013


 A few errors in the above articles to a greater or lesser degree but taken as a whole, very useful.


Also copy the relevant sections of CBC's for our time period.


And if at all possible, get a copy of Gene's masterful article from the NMRA. Simply wonderful.


Dan Smith


Re: BRAKE WHEELS AND HOUSING

 

Bill,

I am glad you have Proper Trucks under control. I need about 15 or 18 different types right now myself but 3 in particular, could you send me 6 Chrysler FR5's, 4 Symington-Gould high speed and 6 AAR 70 ton 3 side spring showing trucks with either Scullin or Columbia side frames?

All kidding aside, I have wanted to do an article on hand brake components that have been done in HO model form. Chuck Peck is definitely holding the right side of the stick in his comments. It is a leap to think having hand brake manufacturers X gear version with Y hand wheel version means that covers time period A to Z or anything close. Lots of gaps in much needed component variants over our time period. In Ted's important series, Essential Freight Cars, I believe it was the one on the SP A-50-13 autocar that Ted just left off the hand brake in the photo of the all but completed car instead of putting on a substitute that would be wrong. Now the correct gear, Klasing 959, was and is supposed to be available ( still waiting on 6 packs ) but still not the correct wheel version. The hand wheel version done by True Line Trains only applies to the late 1940's into the mid or so 1950's and the introduction of Klasing's version of a modern wheel.

I believe the name of Gene's seminal clinic at the 2000 NMRA was Hand Brakes: The Next Modeling Frontier. In my opinion it should be called Hand Brakes: A Continuing Modeling Frontier.

Dan Smith

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