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Reporting marks

Larry Smith
 

In March, 1934, the East Tennessee and Western North Carolina purchased four 7000 gal tank cars from the Georgia Car and Locomotive Company.  They were carrying the reporting marks of SACX.  I asked previously and got some very good answers from the group and I really appreciate it, but I made a mistake and asked for the reporting marks of SOCX.  Does anyone have an equipment register for before 1934 and can look up the reporting marks and then the equipment register for the company get the info on these cars.  Builder information would be helpful.

Thanks in advance for the help

Larry Smith 



Re: 2 bay hopper

Ed Hawkins
 


On Dec 14, 2016, at 4:29 PM, Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Fred if you are going to that trouble just use the intermountain model. 

Brian, Fred, & others interested,
Something to be aware of - the IM and Kato HO models were based on prototype cars from different builders. The IM model followed ACF drawings and a specific version of a locking bar design that was the most common of several options. Whereas, the Kato model was based on a GATC prototype with a different locking bar design and a few other differences. 

Fred indicated interest in two UP cars, CH-70-1 & CH-70-2, both built by GATC (see RP CYC Vol. 28, p. 205-208). The CH-70-1 came with a wood running board that neither the Kato or IM model has. Also, among other details the Kato model has cast-on ladder hand holds while the IM model has wire ladder hand holds.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: flat wire

ed_mines
 

I actually have some DA and used it on one side of the car (F&C ss door & a half.).


It looks too thick so I used flat wire found in a Q'craft caboose kit on the other side.


Ed Mines



Re: 2 bay hopper

Bill Welch
 

I second Brian's suggestion. Only breakable things to be replaced are the sill steps. The IM model is gorgeous in every way including the factory assembly, lettering and painting IMO.

Bill Welch


Re: 2 bay hopper

Brian Carlson
 

I hit send too soon. They also have the closed side car further down the page. 

Brian J. Carlson

On Dec 14, 2016, at 5:18 PM, fred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Thank you all who answered, they were Kato's indeed. Found a few 3-packs on ebay. I don't need 3, so the trick is to find just one of each; one 1940 built CH-70-1 in red w. open sides and one closed: 1949 built CH-70-2 in grey. The red one will have to be painted & lettered for UP and I'd like to superdetail them; replace the cast-on grabs with wire drop grabs, add wire to brake system, scale wheels, etc.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: 2 bay hopper

Brian Carlson
 

Fred if you are going to that trouble just use the intermountain model. 


Brian J. Carlson

On Dec 14, 2016, at 5:18 PM, fred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Thank you all who answered, they were Kato's indeed. Found a few 3-packs on ebay. I don't need 3, so the trick is to find just one of each; one 1940 built CH-70-1 in red w. open sides and one closed: 1949 built CH-70-2 in grey. The red one will have to be painted & lettered for UP and I'd like to superdetail them; replace the cast-on grabs with wire drop grabs, add wire to brake system, scale wheels, etc.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: 2 bay hopper

Fred Jansz
 

Thank you all who answered, they were Kato's indeed. Found a few 3-packs on ebay. I don't need 3, so the trick is to find just one of each; one 1940 built CH-70-1 in red w. open sides and one closed: 1949 built CH-70-2 in grey. The red one will have to be painted & lettered for UP and I'd like to superdetail them; replace the cast-on grabs with wire drop grabs, add wire to brake system, scale wheels, etc.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: 2 bay hopper

Richard Townsend
 

A three-pack sounds like Kato covered hoppers.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: fred@... [STMFC] To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2016 12:54 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2 bay hopper

 
Speakin'bout hoppers; years ago -maybe even decades ago- I bought my son a 3-pack of grey UP covered hoppers, think they were CH-70-1 or 2's. They were nicely detailed and looked very sharp. However, sold them years ago when he stopped playing trains and can't remember the brand. Would like to posess one of these, searched ebay without any result. Does this ring a bell? Thanks for your help.
best regards from Holland,
Fred Jansz


John Barry

Greg Silva
 

John - when you get a minute could you contact me off-list:  runeighty at aol dot com.  Thanks.  Greg Silva.


Re: 2 bay hopper

gary laakso
 

Kato sold covered hoppers in 3 packs.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:52 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2 bay hopper
 
 

Speakin'bout hoppers; years ago -maybe even decades ago- I bought my son a 3-pack of grey UP covered hoppers, think they were CH-70-1 or 2's. They were nicely detailed and looked very sharp. However, sold them years ago when he stopped playing trains and can't remember the brand. Would like to posess one of these, searched ebay without any result. Does this ring a bell? Thanks for your help.
best regards from Holland,
Fred Jansz


Re: 2 bay hopper

Fred Jansz
 

Speakin'bout hoppers; years ago -maybe even decades ago- I bought my son a 3-pack of grey UP covered hoppers, think they were CH-70-1 or 2's. They were nicely detailed and looked very sharp. However, sold them years ago when he stopped playing trains and can't remember the brand. Would like to posess one of these, searched ebay without any result. Does this ring a bell? Thanks for your help.
best regards from Holland,
Fred Jansz


Re: NYC Lot 871-G

Charles Tapper
 

Rather, I meant the drawing is for, at least, a "Greenville" gondola. To be specific, the 13,000-13,999 series has grabs not ladders, but does have a steel floor.

Charlie Tapper


On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Charles Tapper charlestapper@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

On Elwood's Fallen Flags site go to the P&LE entry, and go into "freight cars". Scroll towards the bottom. He has a general arrangement drawing (steel floor version) and a lettering diagram for these cars. Not to take away from the source mentioned below.

Charlie Tapper 
OKC/ Broken Arrow


On Dec 13, 2016, at 4:53 PM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

The NYC Historical Society sells a set of cd’s of mechanical drawings for gondolas.  The Greenville design is well covered – with one exception – the crosstie for wood floor cars is missing.  It is distinctly different from what was used on steel cars  as they had to make room for 4 inch Z bars to support the wood floor. 

 

There are a lot of drawings on these cd’s but not a lot of cars are completely represented.  For instance, loads of details about the 1822 CUFT gons, such as found in Lot 526-G but the critical drawings – centersill, underframe, side and floor details, are, essentially, blank.  OTOH the set for the 52ft War Emergency gon appears to be complete and the 40ft WWII emergency gon appears to be complete enough that, w/ some photo help, should get one to a complete car. 

 

Lots of G.A. drawings, so I guess it becomes a personal judgement as to how much is enough.  I do my work in 3d modeling software so I want a lot... could probably make do w/ less.   I guess if a 5-8ft view is good enough then more STMFC designs are complete.  YMMV.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 3:26 PM

 

Does anyone know where one could find Greenville factory drawings for this gon or any other Greenville produced car. I'm trying to find where the factory drawing now call home. Supposedly they are still in western PA. 

 

Thanks

Mark


Re: NYC Lot 871-G

Charles Tapper
 

On Elwood's Fallen Flags site go to the P&LE entry, and go into "freight cars". Scroll towards the bottom. He has a general arrangement drawing (steel floor version) and a lettering diagram for these cars. Not to take away from the source mentioned below.

Charlie Tapper 
OKC/ Broken Arrow


On Dec 13, 2016, at 4:53 PM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

The NYC Historical Society sells a set of cd’s of mechanical drawings for gondolas.  The Greenville design is well covered – with one exception – the crosstie for wood floor cars is missing.  It is distinctly different from what was used on steel cars  as they had to make room for 4 inch Z bars to support the wood floor. 

 

There are a lot of drawings on these cd’s but not a lot of cars are completely represented.  For instance, loads of details about the 1822 CUFT gons, such as found in Lot 526-G but the critical drawings – centersill, underframe, side and floor details, are, essentially, blank.  OTOH the set for the 52ft War Emergency gon appears to be complete and the 40ft WWII emergency gon appears to be complete enough that, w/ some photo help, should get one to a complete car. 

 

Lots of G.A. drawings, so I guess it becomes a personal judgement as to how much is enough.  I do my work in 3d modeling software so I want a lot... could probably make do w/ less.   I guess if a 5-8ft view is good enough then more STMFC designs are complete.  YMMV.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 3:26 PM

 

Does anyone know where one could find Greenville factory drawings for this gon or any other Greenville produced car. I'm trying to find where the factory drawing now call home. Supposedly they are still in western PA. 

 

Thanks

Mark


Re: 2 bay hopper

Clark Propst
 

Ben wrote: “Your model is most likely from a "3 of a kind" run done by Train-Miniature in the late 1970s for both the Virginian and Ohio and Allegheny Midland.  You'll readily find a buyer for it”
 
You all will like this,
The guy that gave me  the models last night told me if I didn’t want any of the models to pass them on. Today a friend from a nearby town stopped by to see my layout before heading to Arizona for the winter. He showed me photos of his benchwork and a laser level on a tripod he’d bought to level everything. He volunteered the level to my custody for the winter beings I have benchwork to build. To show my gratitude I gave his the V&O hopper. He’s dropping the level off tomorrow, I’ve printed your email Ben to give to him...Guess I should have given him the Accurail car, uh...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

gtws00
 

Bill that is some great modeling.
George Toman


Flat Wire

Armand Premo
 

Have you tried Clover House or Tichy ? Armand Premo


Re: NP reefer " 3 door"

Walter
 

I would suggest looking at rr.fallenflags.com, there are three pictures of the three door reefers. They have renumbered to the WFE 705 series.

Lenny Ohrnell


Re: flat wire

Jack Burgess
 

Try Pro Custom Hobbies:



http://www.procustomhobbies.com/

then click on Search and type in in the search box:



DET-2524



That is one of the flat bar stock items. Click on Back to Manufacturer’s Listing, scroll down and click on Detail Associates. I’d call them and see if it is in stock.



Jack Burgess

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:45 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] flat wire





Good luck finding it. Detail Associates products seem to be gradually disappearing. I suggest Ebay.



Bill Welch


Re: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

James E Kubanick
 

Bill,

Thanks for posting yet another informative series of photos. I find these to be very educational.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:45 PM, "BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Thanks, Bill. See you in Cocoa Beach!

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List
Reply-To: STMFC List
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 12:17 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: [STMFC] Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps. . .

Here is a Link to my Dropbox: Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps

Of Roofs, Running Boards & Sill Steps Shared with Dropbox
View on www.dropbox.com
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There you will find Photos of:

1.) IMWX/Red Caboose paneled roof on Branchline body with ends in place to show how it fits perfectly side-to-side and lengthwise.

2.) Yarmouth "Sill Step" for Branchline boxcars looking good, temporarily held in place w/grab irons.

3.) Yarmouth Gypsum Running board in place on a C&BT boxcar body showing off one piece assembly—"Latitudinals" and end supports all etched together. Body is in process to be a Monon 1947 Pullman built welded boxcar from their 1–250 series. I had already assembled a Plano brake step into place but the Yarmouth running boards come with appropriate brake step.

The Yarmouth parts are engineered and designed by Peter Aue who many of us have gotten to know. Well done Peter!

Bill Welch

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Re: NYC Lot 871-G

Dave Nelson
 

The NYC Historical Society sells a set of cd’s of mechanical drawings for gondolas.  The Greenville design is well covered – with one exception – the crosstie for wood floor cars is missing.  It is distinctly different from what was used on steel cars  as they had to make room for 4 inch Z bars to support the wood floor. 

 

There are a lot of drawings on these cd’s but not a lot of cars are completely represented.  For instance, loads of details about the 1822 CUFT gons, such as found in Lot 526-G but the critical drawings – centersill, underframe, side and floor details, are, essentially, blank.  OTOH the set for the 52ft War Emergency gon appears to be complete and the 40ft WWII emergency gon appears to be complete enough that, w/ some photo help, should get one to a complete car. 

 

Lots of G.A. drawings, so I guess it becomes a personal judgement as to how much is enough.  I do my work in 3d modeling software so I want a lot... could probably make do w/ less.   I guess if a 5-8ft view is good enough then more STMFC designs are complete.  YMMV.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 3:26 PM

 

Does anyone know where one could find Greenville factory drawings for this gon or any other Greenville produced car. I'm trying to find where the factory drawing now call home. Supposedly they are still in western PA. 

 

Thanks

Mark

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