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50' Mather stock car.

Andy Carlson
 

Stan must have sold a modest amount of the 50' Mather stock cars. He approached me for some kits, as at that time I had a lot of those cheap P2K kits from dealer close-outs. He later came back for more. I would hazard a guess that he could easily have made up about 25 of those kit-bash kits.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: "Jim Hayes jimhayes97225@... [STMFC]"

 
Browsing thru my unfinished stock, I opened a P2K Mather stock car kit which contained a Mather kit which I had sliced and spliced into a 50' car. Also in the box were a set of resin doors for it. It didn't take me long to find that Stan Rydarowicz sold a kit for this car back around 2010-11. Did anyone buy one of these? Were there any instructions? What was in his 'kit'? Did he just do the slicing and cast a new roof, or??? Did he include or direct you to a source for decals?
I found a photo of a model of Stan's on display at Naperville or Cocoa Beach in NYC's NISX markings but so far I haven't found any prototype pictures or info.

And that brought up another question. Whatever happened to Stan's decals? Was he sourcing them with someone else?

Jim
Re: NYC 91199

Seth Lakin
 

The car is assigned to Oldsmobile  Lansing Mich. for sheet metal parts. 

The car is listed on page 60 (page 94 of the PDF) in Freight Cars Assigned to Special Service on the MCRR dated June 1947. 

The file can be found on the Canada Southern website located here 

The booklet lists many NYC cars assigned to the automotive industry. It lists both loading and receiving locations for some cars. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City, IN

 
Re: 50' Mather stock car.

Steve SANDIFER
 

The January 1998 issue of MR had an article by Jim Teese on building a car from 2 P2K kits. The prototype shown was a Nickel Plate car photographed in May 1966. I have an almost unreadable copy downloaded from the MR website during one of their "free" days. The CB&Q also had 40, #50200-50239. The cars were spliced Circa 1952 and the Burlington leased them in 1963. A photo appears in the Bukrlington Bulletin #25 which is dedicated to Bukrlington Live Stock operations. The articles says the NYC also had some of these cars and that they were often see on the Q. If I had a better copy of the MR article, I might try to build one.

 

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J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:27 PM
To: Stm Frt Cars
Subject: [STMFC] 50' Mather stock car.

 

 

Browsing thru my unfinished stock, I opened a P2K Mather stock car kit which contained a Mather kit which I had sliced and spliced into a 50' car. Also in the box were a set of resin doors for it. It didn't take me long to find that Stan Rydarowicz sold a kit for this car back around 2010-11. Did anyone buy one of these? Were there any instructions? What was in his 'kit'? Did he just do the slicing and cast a new roof, or??? Did he include or direct you to a source for decals?

I found a photo of a model of Stan's on display at Naperville or Cocoa Beach in NYC's NISX markings but so far I haven't found any prototype pictures or info.

 

And that brought up another question. Whatever happened to Stan's decals? Was he sourcing them with someone else?

 

Jim
50' Mather stock car.

Jim Hayes
 

Browsing thru my unfinished stock, I opened a P2K Mather stock car kit which contained a Mather kit which I had sliced and spliced into a 50' car. Also in the box were a set of resin doors for it. It didn't take me long to find that Stan Rydarowicz sold a kit for this car back around 2010-11. Did anyone buy one of these? Were there any instructions? What was in his 'kit'? Did he just do the slicing and cast a new roof, or??? Did he include or direct you to a source for decals?
I found a photo of a model of Stan's on display at Naperville or Cocoa Beach in NYC's NISX markings but so far I haven't found any prototype pictures or info.

And that brought up another question. Whatever happened to Stan's decals? Was he sourcing them with someone else?

Jim
Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Notice the refrigerator car at the bottom of the photo. I'm guessing this was a temporary fix to allow the car to be kept in service with a perishable load:

 

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/240806/

 

Any other explanations?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Orange Crate Loading Requirements During World War II

thecitrusbelt@...
 

From about 1922 the typical load of oranges shipped from Californian was 462 crates. This was based on an application by the California Citrus League approved by the Trans-Continental Freight Bureau.

 

From sometime in 1942 to sometime in 1947 the Office of Defense Transportation ordered, probably through the ICC, that refrigerator cars were to be loaded with a minimum of 693 crates. Due to the high amount of damage to loads, the order  subsequently was modified to reduce the amount to a minimum of 561 crates. The order was completely rescinded in 1947 and the 462 crate standard re-emerged.

 

Can anyone tell me the effective dates and the Service Order numbers related to these war time loading requirements?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 
Re: decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Eric (rgmodels@...) asked:
anyone make decals for a New Haven 4-6-4 streamlined loco?

What scale?


Ben Hom
last call

Pierre Oliver
 

Guys,

There are only 6 of the Semet-Solvay tank car kits left. If you're interested contact me offlist for purchasing options.
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
Re: Ulrich offset triple hopper prototype

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Scott,
   I think B&LE was the only road that had these new, but I have a photo of one in Union RR lettering, bought second hand from the B&LE maybe?
    Bud Rindfleisch
Re: Ulrich offset triple hopper prototype

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Scott,

I researched this model years ago, and the only prototype I could find is the B&LE hopper. 

Someone else may have unearthed another prototype.

Todd Sullivan
Re: BMIX 6620 hopper at Huntington

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Group
the H21 had 2508 cubic feet capacity with the old style hoppers.  In one of the photos of the top view notice the next car it has partial bulb angles on it  this was an early problem with putting 70-tons in a car designed for 50-ton of coke there are several photos of these cars on that site
Don Ford Cameron MO


On Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:07 PM, "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Elden,

I could be a H21 variant. Here's a shot of the same car. I think the caption
for the image you posted was wrong as the car number is noted on the bottom
of the photo.

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2362617?solr_nav[id]=
dd1730f9c9c31909084d&solr_nav[page]=0&solr_nav[offset]=2

The October 1926 ORER lists 2200 70-ton hoppers in the BMIX fleet for
Bethlehem Mines. 1150 cars in the 5000-6149 series have a 2460 cubic
capacity. 1050 cars in the 6150-7199 series have a 2508 cubic capacity.

They had 1646 cars of 50-ton capacity (8000-9699) to round out their hopper
fleet.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:26 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] BMIX 6620 hopper at Huntington

What do you know about this car?

http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2362596?solr_nav[id]=
82e27ea560876beb8832&solr_nav[page]=30&solr_nav[offset]=19

It looks like a H21A, but also not. I don't see BMIX in my ORER.

Elden Gatwood

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Ulrich offset triple hopper prototype

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I was recently given a nice example of the old Ulrich 3-bay hopper.  It is unusual in having 12-panel offset sides. Was this design only owned by the B&LE?

B&LE 76857 is stuffed and mounted at thr Conneaut, Ohio depot museum.

Scott Chatfield
Re: FGE Reefers On Car Float

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Bob, I had not seen this.

Bill Welch
Re: NYC Lot 871-G

Charles Tapper
 

I work in HO and my focus is on correcting the flaws and omissions or changing details on the P2K cars to match specific prototypes. So I get away with using what resources I have and realizing the underframes are always a bit of a compromise. And, FWIW, a 100% correctly-scaled steel floor  insert won't fit in a P2K car because the sides of the model are thicker. Should I fill and sand the "boards" on the bottom of the casting for steel-floored P&LE cars? Yes, but...

Perhaps some other historical societies for the other users, other than NYC, will have drawings for component parts. I am unaware of a preserved car. Best of luck.

Charlie Tapper


On Dec 14, 2016, at 8:23 PM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

As I try to craft cars in 3d modeling software I’ve come to see that a single G.A. drawing is insufficient in many ways. Using the NYC drawing sets as an example, I need their G.A. drawing, but also drawings for the underframe, bolster, crossbearer details, crosstie details, centersill and side sills, end construction, side posts, and brake system for a gondola. The same plus side construction, roof, and door drawings for a house car. That leaves off all sorts of castings, ladders, and a variety of construction details that may or may not matter in the end. The NYC will put several items on one page. The N&W doesn’t.

Of course one could fake it… generic underframe, crosstie, crossbearer, and bolster. Do the ladders and castings as a guestimate from a photo, but even so you’ll still come up missing information if all you have is the G.A.

Of course, if all you need is a 5-8ft view-distance model then ignorance helps hold off the guilt of not doing it as-it-was and so as far as necessary info goes, YMMV.

Dave Nelson

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 6:52 PM

On Elwood's Fallen Flags site go to the P&LE entry, and go into "freight cars". Scroll towards the bottom. He has a general arrangement drawing (steel floor version) and a lettering diagram for these cars. Not to take away from the source mentioned below.

Charlie Tapper

OKC/ Broken Arrow

On Dec 13, 2016, at 4:53 PM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

The NYC Historical Society sells a set of cd’s of mechanical drawings for gondolas. The Greenville design is well covered – with one exception – the crosstie for wood floor cars is missing. It is distinctly different from what was used on steel cars as they had to make room for 4 inch Z bars to support the wood floor.

There are a lot of drawings on these cd’s but not a lot of cars are completely represented. For instance, loads of details about the 1822 CUFT gons, such as found in Lot 526-G but the critical drawings – centersill, underframe, side and floor details, are, essentially, blank. OTOH the set for the 52ft War Emergency gon appears to be complete and the 40ft WWII emergency gon appears to be complete enough that, w/ some photo help, should get one to a complete car.

Lots of G.A. drawings, so I guess it becomes a personal judgement as to how much is enough. I do my work in 3d modeling software so I want a lot... could probably make do w/ less. I guess if a 5-8ft view is good enough then more STMFC designs are complete. YMMV.

Dave Nelson

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 3:26 PM

Does anyone know where one could find Greenville factory drawings for this gon or any other Greenville produced car. I'm trying to find where the factory drawing now call home. Supposedly they are still in western PA.

Thanks

Mark

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FGE Reefers On Car Float

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Bill -


From the Hagley Digital Archives, in case you have not seen this:


http://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2365759?solr_nav[id]=52d4773fae655c6d6be1&solr_nav[page]=0&solr_nav[offset]=6


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Prototype Rails Dining Recommendations

Bill Welch
 

Claus, I don't have a website so Dropbox is the best I can do. I will say I have been using Dropbox to give my recent presentations to people and have not heard of this problem in the 3-4 years I have been doing this so I am surprised.

Thank you to Jack for using his website to post the PDF too.

Bill Welch
Re: NYC 91199

John Riba
 


decals

Rio Grande Ltd <rgmodels@...>
 

anyone make decals for a New Haven 4-6-4 streamlined loco?

eric
Re: Prototype Rails Dining Recommendations

Jack Burgess
 

Claus and others…

 

With Bill’s permission, I have uploaded a copy of the CCB Dining Recommendations to my own website. Go to:

 

http://www.yosemitevalleyrr.com/clinics

 

and click on the bottom link. If you might be planning to attend my clinic on 3D printing, download the clinic handout at the same time.

 

Jack Burgess

 

 

 

Hi Bill,

 

When I go to your link, it appears that one must have a dropbox account to get at the file, since I am asked to log in. Are others faced with this issue as well, or am I the only one?

 

Any chance of posting this in a manner where one does not have to create an account in order to view it?

 

Thanks

 

Claus Schlund
Re: NYC 91199

Benjamin Hom
 


Ted Culotta asked:
I have an extremely poor quality photo NYC 91199, a 50' single door car stenciled for auto body service. Below the NYC oval emblem is "AUTO BODY CAR" and below that is what I cannot make out from my print. The first line below that looks like "M-40" (although stating that it is M-40 puts me on extremely shaky terrain) and below that should be something like:

WHEN EMPTY RETURN
TO NYC RR CITY STATE

with the city and state being ???? 

Does anyone have a better version of this print where they can discern the stencils? Free decals* for the winner (decals are not just for this group of cars, but all the 50', 8' door opening cars built 1939-1945 for NYC and P&LE)."

This is the photo in question (and possibly the same print Ted has on hand):


Ben Hom
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