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Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

Since cars having this 'variety' in the running boards
are rare perhaps one of the following speculations
work ...

a) This was some kind of "test car" that was used to
compare the longevity or the quality of the footing
of the metal version - against the wood part.

b) Some other road replaced only the center portion
and used wood instead of metal - perhaps they
didn't have the correct metal type or something
like that.

c) Ice reefers had a 'known expiration date' in the
50's. The mech reefers had started to show up.
So "don't spend more money on the new tech
boards than we have to" (because the metal
ones will outlive the expected life of the car).

- just speculations on my part ... Jim B.

P.S. I use a color pic of a rail yard that looks down on
the tops of the cars as the background of my
computer desktop. You can pick out a lot of
different running boards in it. None of them
has this particular variant. And I've never
seen another shot of a car like this one.
Good Catch!

Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Since the reefer has a diagonal panel roof I'm pretty sure it was built with steel running boards.


Scott Chatfield

Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

Jack Mullen
 

Or perhaps the car was built with wood running boards, and when deteriorated sections were replaced, steel was used ?

Jack Mullen

Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <shhaycock@...> wrote :

Don,

Try scrolling down to see the picture.

Scott Haycock



Thanks Scott. That was not the problem but you made me try harder and
the solution was found. Can't help but wonder if this was the last of a group
of cars getting new running boards when it was found that there was not 
enough material left to complete the whole car so this was the best that 
could be done without cobbling things into a mess.

Cordially, Don Valentine




decals needed for Sunshine gon

Hugh Guillaume
 

I finished building my Sunshine L&NE gon but the decals are old and defective.  So I now need new decals for this model.  It was the eightieth resin kit that I have built and probably the last.  Hugh T Guillaume

Re: steam era boxcars for sale

Hugh Guillaume
 

I still have several cars available.  Really would like to sell them soon.  I am reducing the price per car to $10 postpaid to a US address.  Contact me via e-mail.  mguill1224 "at" aol.com  Hugh T Guillaume

Re: Keystone Company Horse cars

Douglas Harding
 

The 1903 ORER shows the Keystone Live Stock Express company had 548 cars, 433 single deck 36’  and 115 double deck 34 & 36’

General Offices, Philadelphia Stock Yards, Philadelphia PA

Bills for Repairs to cars sent to Superintendent Motive Power, PRR, Altoona PA.

Based on the image these are standard stockcars.

 

The same 1903 ORER shows the Arms Palace Horse Car Co. (on the next page) With the following listing. The image shows a much longer car, similar to the old Red Ball horse mule car model.

Arms Palace Horse Cars (crosswise stalled) #20-2500 Nos. ending in “0” capacity 20 horses

Keystone Palace Horse Cars (diagonal stalled) #315-875 capacity 20 horses

 

Arms Palace Horse Cars (lengthwise stalled) Combination Horse and Vehicle car #5001-5021 capacity 16 horses. Have side doors for carriages. Specifically adapted for race horses. Equipped for passenger or freight train service.

 

Burton Perfected Cars #801-952 capacity 16 horses, lengthwise stalls for shipping race horses, equipped for passenger or freight train service.

Arms Palace Horse Cars (lengthwise stalled) #6001-6325 (same notation about race horses)

 

Arms Palace Horse Cars (without stalls) #4000-4250 capacity 22-26 horses. Stalless cars with three compartments for exclusive use at US Yards, Chicago, at special rental. Should not be diverted nor loaded for local points.

 

Keystone Palace Horse Cars #75-99. Cars with stalls and mangers removed, for shipping hay. In Leased Service

 

A note indicates the Burton cars 801-952 were being relettered and renumbered “Arms Palace Horse Cars” #6001-6???

 

The mention in Wikipedia cites John White’s “The American Railroad Freight Car” book regarding Keystone Horse Cars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

George Courtney
 

I think you have to be a member (free) of Railpictures to see the photos.  I'm a member and the link worked for me. Join up Railpictures and you should be able to see the link and many other photos.

George Courtney

Re: decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Eric (rgmodels@...) asked:
anyone make [HO scale] decals for a New Haven 4-6-4 streamlined loco?

Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

rwitt_2000
 

Speculation:

Could it be a money saving update. The reefer company only placed "safety grid" metal running boards in the areas where workmen would be during ice loading. It seems to neatly done to be just a repair.

Bob Witt

Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Don, scroll down quite a bit. It’s there. I was confused by this too.


Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:56 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Running Boards Variety On One Reefer





Bob, the URL you provide gets me as far as Railpictures but no further. How does one get to the specific

photo? I did not see a search link to do that.



Thanks, Don Valentine





On Sun, 18 Dec, 2016 at 1:09, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]

<STMFC@...> wrote:



Notice the refrigerator car at the bottom of the photo. I'm guessing this was a temporary fix to allow the car to be kept in service with a perishable load:



<http://www.railpictures.net/photo/240806/> http://www.railpictures.net/photo/240806/



Any other explanations?



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

James Evans
 

Just wondering how many people would model that car as is ?
 Heck I would.
 
 Jim Evans
 

In a message dated 12/18/2016 2:24:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Notice the refrigerator car at the bottom of the photo. I'm guessing this was a temporary fix to allow the car to be kept in service with a perishable load:


      The other thing I like in this photo is the gondola load. Many modelers seem to think cars like gondolas were always full when loaded, but of course the car just carried whatever the shipper needed to send. In waybill collections, you can find lots of loads under 10,000 pounds, bei ng carried in 50-ton cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Ulrich offset triple hopper prototype

D. Scott Chatfield
 

The Carbon County 3-bays I've seen were 9-panel offsets.  


Scott Chatfield

Re: Ulrich offset triple hopper prototype

Charles Tapper
 

Don Strack has some information on his Utah Rails site. And he gives evidence some twin hoppers from the B&LE were leased and speculates about a possibility of triple hoppers as well. I am remembering that B&LE may have had triples of two different designs, the 90 Ton like the Ulrich and a 70 ton design? Wish I could be more helpful but I've not been digging into this lately. Link to Utah Rails.

My B&LE car diagrams are in OKC. 



Charlie Tapper
Broken Arrow


On Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM, "riverman_vt@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Were any of the Carbon County Railway hopper cars of this same design? I know
they had the same double clasp brakes as found on other United States Steel road hoppers.

Tim O'Connor


  Whoa Tim. The B&M acquired what I was told were some ex-B&LE hoppers for gravel or
ballast work in the 1968-1972 era that definitely had double clasp brakes. Being too late for
my modeling interests I paid little attention to them. Should I have? Could these also have
been of the car type being discussed?

Cordially, Don Valentine




Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

Scott H. Haycock
 

Don,

Try scrolling down to see the picture.

Scott Haycock


 

Bob, the URL you provide gets me as far as Railpictures but no further. How does one get to the specific

photo? I did not see a search link to do that.

Thanks, Don Valentine





Re: Upcoming RPM meets

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:

 
Several RPM meets are ahead on the 2017 calendar. A summary has been posted on the DesignBuildOp blog.
 Eric, you should add the Bay Area Layout Design & Operations weekend. Here's a web page:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Notice the refrigerator car at the bottom of the photo. I'm guessing this was a temporary fix to allow the car to be kept in service with a perishable load:


      The other thing I like in this photo is the gondola load. Many modelers seem to think cars like gondolas were always full when loaded, but of course the car just carried whatever the shipper needed to send. In waybill collections, you can find lots of loads under 10,000 pounds, being carried in 50-ton cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Ulrich offset triple hopper prototype

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :

Were any of the Carbon County Railway hopper cars of this same design? I know

they had the same double clasp brakes as found on other United States Steel road hoppers.


Tim O'Connor



  Whoa Tim. The B&M acquired what I was told were some ex-B&LE hoppers for gravel or

ballast work in the 1968-1972 era that definitely had double clasp brakes. Being too late for

my modeling interests I paid little attention to them. Should I have? Could these also have

been of the car type being discussed?


Cordially, Don Valentine



Re: [Proto-Layouts] Upcoming RPM meets

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the reminder, Rich. I’ve added the Western Prototype Modeler meet to the calendar and the blog post. It is set for March 25th in Bellflower, CA.

 

https://ppw-aline.com/pages/rpm-so-cal-meet

 

 

It’s hard to keep up with many of these. I appreciate any details and links on other events so the RPM event calendar can be kept updated.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


From: Proto-Layouts@... [mailto:Proto-Layouts@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:17 PM
To: Proto-Layouts@...
Subject: Re: [Proto-Layouts] Upcoming RPM meets

 




There's a major meet in San Bernardino CA in there as well, like March?

 

Regards

Rich Hunn

 

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:36 PM, "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [Proto-Layouts]" <Proto-Layouts@...> wrote:

 

 

Several RPM meets are ahead on the 2017 calendar. A summary has been posted on the DesignBuildOp blog.

 

 

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 


Re: Running Boards Variety On One Reefer

Donald B. Valentine
 

Bob, the URL you provide gets me as far as Railpictures but no further. How does one get to the specific
photo? I did not see a search link to do that.

Thanks, Don Valentine



On Sun, 18 Dec, 2016 at 1:09, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Notice the refrigerator car at the bottom of the photo. I'm guessing this was a temporary fix to allow the car to be kept in service with a perishable load:

 

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/240806/

 

Any other explanations?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA