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Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Tony Thompson
 

       I am very apprehensive with spray cans and always get the spray going on a card before deciding if it is "burping" globs of paint or not. But if it sprays okay and I can spray from a distance where it is almost drying before arrival, I find most brands work well. I have used a number of Tamiya colors in spray cans with good result.
       But most railroad colors, and any really good model, I would certainly use either my Badger or Iwata airbrush. I would echo those who have emphasized cleaning -- I learned this many years ago and ALWAYS clean immediately after use. Sometimes I realize I missed a spot and have to reload, repaint, and re-clean, but I ALWAYS clean upon stopping painting. All my brushes work fine.

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Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Wait!!! You mean, paint comes in CANS?



I never use spray cans for model work. I want control over what, where and how much paint I apply.



I have a Binks Wren (two, actually) even still, and have gotten compliments on the results, and have even done custom painting using them. The Binks compressor finally gave out (acquired about 1975) and I bought a Harbor Freight horizontal tank compressor to replace that, which is fine but kind of noisy. I built a spray booth, which goes out the same window opening as the clothes dryer (but not at the same time!) which was fitted (by others) with a dryer vent fitting through a piece of plexi. That will be upgraded to simply through the wall this summer, when the basement rework is closer to being complete.



The Rust Oleum flat sounds interesting, but as faithful readers may recall, years ago I came across a flat lacquer used in the professional photographer trade to spray finished photos after they’d been retouched. Of course, now, ‘retouching” happens in the computer but you can still buy that flat a lacquer at a good paint store, the only problem being that it comes only in gallon size, and needs to be let down about 4:1 with lacquer thinner.



I have used acrylics, but I don’t like them, and they don’t like me.



Schuyler



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How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush?



Show of hands...



Greg Martin



Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



In a message dated 1/15/2017 3:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:



At yesterday's Great Train Show I talked with Joel Bragdon, the weathering powder entrepreneur, about base and finish coatings for use with chalks and powders.



He mentioned that Rust-Oleum announced a new coating last March called "Dead Flat Clear" and that he likes the product. Here is a photo link:



<http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu> http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu



I did a little searching and found that Home Depot and Lowe's both carry it.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Keene asked:
"That said, I am wondering if the Rust-Oleum comes in a can or bottle along with the rattle can? If not, then perhaps spraying into a jar and then using that to spray from an air brush might be a good solution."

Decanting paint from spray cans:


Re: Branchline Freight Car Ends

dh30973
 

Those Branchline/Atlas BL-10002 ends and ladders are available from Cannon and Company. I bought a large quanta from Atlas for use with some of my laser cut freight car kits.


3105 Branchline R 3/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends

 

Dave Hussey
Cannon and Company


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 1/16/2017 8:43 AM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] wrote:

The Rust-Oleum “Dead Flat Clear” sound interesting and worth a try.

    I can see it's use for scenery(trees, etc.) and will check it out.  Normally I look at spray can paint as opposed to paint for an airbrush kind of like thin ACC vs thick ACC!

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Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Gary Ray
 

I haven’t tried the new Rustoleum, but I custom mix their Camouflage paint for ties and also use their primer for rails. I hot glue a flex straw to the nozzle and spray it into a deep jar.  You cannot do a whole can at a time because the paint has to be decanted to get the propellant out.  Fasted way (but could be messy as paint boils up) is to use an electric stirrer.  Just letting it sit for a few days works better.  I dilute the paint with the old type lacquer thinner.  I use an OSHA approved spray mask with NEW filters.  I have a free standing building for the layout.  I also keep doors open at both ends with a fan blowing air in at one end and blowing out at the other.  I use the paint in a Badger Patriot 105 (gravity feed) which is easier to clean than another brand I have which is siphon feed.

 

Gary Ray

 

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Has anyone tried spraying the new Rustoleum  with an airbrush?


On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:03 AM, 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I paint pretty exclusively with acrylics, Badger, PollyScale, Model Masters, etc.  But I will use Dullcote, or similar, in a spray can for a final flat.  After many years of dreading painting, I now have a good compressor, tank, trap, regulator, etc. as well as a nice Paasche booth with fan and filter.  Currently, I move the booth onto the washer, next to the basement sink, when I am ready to paint for quick clean up.

 

Steve Hile

 

 







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Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

George
 

The answer is simple:  clean up.

I've used an airbrush since the 1970s, but I also like to use a spray can whenever possible because you don't have to clean up after it.  I usually use the small cans of Dullcoat as a final finish, but I will definitely try the Rust-Oleum product.

George York


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

I too have used spray cans of various origins for a number of broad-based or background model painting projects over the years NOT requiring precision or critical application , including Floquil, Pactra, and Krylon. Aside from issues of paint clogging (@#$%^&###, but correctable), the biggest and most irritating issue has been running out of propellant long before the can is empty of paint. This has been so especially with expensive Floquil. I suspect that I run out of it because of the need to use so much of the propellant to clear the nozzle and prevent clogging after each short use!

Like Don V, I also have used successfully my old Paasche single action air brush, first purchased and used in the early ‘50s. What a fine instrument! That said, on a whim on the receiving end of a very persuasive salesman, I purchased an Iwata Eclipse double action five years ago, and……I have never looked back.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group,

The Rust-Oleum “Dead Flat Clear” sound interesting and worth a try.

The comment about having issues using Dullcoat from the spray can I fully understand. My solution to this was to be sure that the can was well shook and then spray it directly into my air brush cup — within the paint booth, of course, as there is a good deal of spray floating about — then apply to the model. That said, I am wondering if the Rust-Oleum comes in a can or bottle along with the rattle can? If not, then perhaps spraying into a jar and then using that to spray from an air brush might be a good solution.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:03 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Greg,


My approach is very similar to Chuck Cover.  I use spray cans of Model Master Acryl black on ALL my brass models as a primer coat, and then typically top coat that with acrylics with my airbrush. The Model Master spray bombs work great and the paint is fantastic, with very fine particles and a nice ability to self level.  I honestly wish that there were more colors that I could use for top coats in that line.


As a note, I have had nothing but terrible results from Dullcoat in a spray can. 


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush?  
 
Show of hands... 
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 1/15/2017 3:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 



At yesterday's Great Train Show I talked with Joel Bragdon, the weathering powder entrepreneur, about base and finish coatings for use with chalks and powders.

 


He mentioned that Rust-Oleum announced a new coating last March called "Dead Flat Clear" and that he likes the product. Here is a photo link:

 



 


I did a little searching and found that Home Depot and Lowe's both carry it.

 


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA







Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Pat M Duffin
 

Has anyone tried spraying the new Rustoleum  with an airbrush?


On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:03 AM, 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I paint pretty exclusively with acrylics, Badger, PollyScale, Model Masters, etc.  But I will use Dullcote, or similar, in a spray can for a final flat.  After many years of dreading painting, I now have a good compressor, tank, trap, regulator, etc. as well as a nice Paasche booth with fan and filter.  Currently, I move the booth onto the washer, next to the basement sink, when I am ready to paint for quick clean up.
 
Steve Hile

 


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I paint pretty exclusively with acrylics, Badger, PollyScale, Model Masters, etc.  But I will use Dullcote, or similar, in a spray can for a final flat.  After many years of dreading painting, I now have a good compressor, tank, trap, regulator, etc. as well as a nice Paasche booth with fan and filter.  Currently, I move the booth onto the washer, next to the basement sink, when I am ready to paint for quick clean up.
 
Steve Hile

 


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Bruce Smith
 

Greg,


My approach is very similar to Chuck Cover.  I use spray cans of Model Master Acryl black on ALL my brass models as a primer coat, and then typically top coat that with acrylics with my airbrush. The Model Master spray bombs work great and the paint is fantastic, with very fine particles and a nice ability to self level.  I honestly wish that there were more colors that I could use for top coats in that line.


As a note, I have had nothing but terrible results from Dullcoat in a spray can. 


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush?  
 
Show of hands...
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 1/15/2017 3:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

At yesterday's Great Train Show I talked with Joel Bragdon, the weathering powder entrepreneur, about base and finish coatings for use with chalks and powders.

 

He mentioned that Rust-Oleum announced a new coating last March called "Dead Flat Clear" and that he likes the product. Here is a photo link:

 

http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu

 

I did a little searching and found that Home Depot and Lowe's both carry it.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Dave Pfeiffer
 

Never!  I have a Paasche VL I have been using for years.  Everything I paint except for wheels and small details gets sprayed.  I built a “spay booth” with exhaust fan into a former window opening in my basement shop area.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

 

 

 

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How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush?  

 

Show of hands...

 

Greg Martin  

 

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

 

In a message dated 1/15/2017 3:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

At yesterday's Great Train Show I talked with Joel Bragdon, the weathering powder entrepreneur, about base and finish coatings for use with chalks and powders.

 

He mentioned that Rust-Oleum announced a new coating last March called "Dead Flat Clear" and that he likes the product. Here is a photo link:

 

http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu

 

I did a little searching and found that Home Depot and Lowe's both carry it.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

 

Took me a second, but I got there.


Thanks!
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lol... you probably don't want to know what's in Green Giant frozen foods...


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Tim O'Connor
 


lol... you probably don't want to know what's in Green Giant frozen foods...


Tim,

I had heard that one should avoid Minwax products because they had wax in them. Have you noticed this, or does the clear coat not have any wax in it?

Spen Kellogg


Re: Branchline Freight Car Ends

Jeff Webb
 

Hi Nelson,

If you go to Atlas' website and into their on-line store then run a search for "BL1" you will see that they still have some Branchline parts still available. Didn't see any ends but they have a number of different doors listed.
They don't seem to list these parts through their normal on-line catalog, you have to run a search for them.

Another option is ebay if you don't mind dealing with them. There is a seller that sells undecorated sets that may have what you need. I have bought several of these sets from this seller and they have lots of good useful parts.
http://stores.ebay.com/Valley-Trains?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Branchline-Blueprint-Series-40-Box-Car-with-7-Door-THREE-3-KITS-/351943822042?hash=item51f17c8ada:g:2FIAAOSw6n5Xr5AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Branchline-Blueprint-Series-50-AAR-Double-Door-Box-THREE-3-KITS-/351924282828?hash=item51f05265cc:g:tusAAOSwsN9XCXBp

-Jeff


Re: My Airbrush Cleaning Routine

Douglas Harding
 

I’m with Clark, I paint acrylics and prefer to set up my spray booth next to a sink. I keep a bottle of window cleaner handy. After painting I run hot water through the airbrush, then some window cleaner, then flush with more hot water. Since I started this routine I have not encountered a clogged airbrush.

 

I saw in a recent video that Ken Patterson mounted his spray booth fan motor outside the building, eliminating the noise inside. That idea intrigues me. As I have to go through a window in my new home (brick house I do not own) I may consider that idea. For now as I use acrylic, the outside exhaust is not a requirement, just the spraybooth with a  good filter. I use the pleated filters from the furnace.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Chuck Cover
 

For all of my projects, locomotives, freight cars and structures, I first use a spray can of flat black as a primer.  I have used various brands including ACE and Rust-Oleum.  For the finish color I will use the air brush when I have an acceptable color available.  I favor the left over Floquil that I have horded and Scalecoat.  I do not like to use acrylic paints in the airbrush.

 

I recently found ACE  red oxide primer to be a reasonable FCC for PRR rolling stock.  I use a spray booth for all solvent based painting and adhesives.  The spray booth is next to a double hung window that I removed the screen from and put in a piece of plywood with a vent for the spray booth.  When I use the spray booth, I open the window and attach the exhaust to the vent.  When I am done, just disconnect the exhaust and close the window.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM  


Re: My Airbrush Cleaning Routine

Clark Propst
 

I’ll put myself at the opposite end of the spectrum from Bill  ;  ) After spraying enamels or whatever I just squirt brake cleaner through my Paasche H3. If I used acrylics I hold it under the faucet and run water through it. I do break it down a couple times a year.  Important to have a sink near your paint booth.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Clark Propst
 

I’ve used spray cans at work forever, some brands are better than others. At home I’ve used Testors Dullcote in a can years ago, but it seemed to always end up with a spotty finish? Lately I’ve used white primer to paint a couple large structures. Here in the north country it would be difficult you use rattle cans year round. I need to paint some trees. Later this week it’s suppose to (maybe) hit 40. I’ll lay a drop cloth over my work bench in the garage, stick the trees in foam, run out to the garage, spray them with a couple different camo shades and run them back in the basement. I have a large paint booth, but not large enough to paint a gaggle of trees in.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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