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Re: Air hoses

Michael Gross
 

I second Jack Burgess’ thoughts.  I use Hi-Tech hoses exclusively.  For steam-era, you want the 22” hoses, and I mount them in various ways, depending on the car.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

Re: Air hoses

Tim O'Connor
 


If you mean "sag" instead of "set" I agree. I've used eyebolts or other
means to prevent the droop.

Anyone tried stainless steel hypodermic tube to prevent this? I see a web site
that sells tube with an O.D. as small as 0.006" ! That's roughly 1/2 the size of
a #80 drill bit - the drill hole could be made with 0.2mm drill bits. (I just got
a set of 10 of them from China for $1.99 - shipping included.)

Tim O'

P.S. I've always thought the Branchline air hoses with their box car kits were
beautiful. But unfortunately, extremely fragile.


I agree with Jack on the Hi-Tech Details hoses.  They sometimes have a set to them that can be eliminated so they will hang properly, but that's the only drawback.  I like their brackets, too.
Schuyler

clear Rust Oleum finishes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I was at the local hardware and paint store today, and took a look for the “dead flat” clear finish.  They had none in stock, but I noticed that they also make gloss, semi-gloss, and matte as well.  I wasn’t interested in buying in any event, since I use the photofinishing lacquer I just wrote about, but perhaps others of you may be interested in the others, particularly the gloss finish, for decaling.

 

Schuyler

 

Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Wait!!! You mean, paint comes in CANS?



I never use spray cans for model work. I want control over what, where and how much paint I apply.



I have a Binks Wren (two, actually) even still, and have gotten compliments on the results, and have even done custom painting using them. The Binks compressor finally gave out (acquired about 1975) and I bought a Harbor Freight horizontal tank compressor to replace that, which is fine but kind of noisy. I built a spray booth, which goes out the same window opening as the clothes dryer (but not at the same time!) which was fitted (by others) with a dryer vent fitting through a piece of plexi. That will be upgraded to simply through the wall this summer, when the basement rework is closer to being complete.



The Rust Oleum flat sounds interesting, but as faithful readers may recall, years ago I came across a flat lacquer used in the professional photographer trade to spray finished photos after they’d been retouched. Of course, now, ‘retouching” happens in the computer but you can still buy that flat a lacquer at a good paint store, the only problem being that it comes only in gallon size, and needs to be let down about 4:1 with lacquer thinner.



I have used acrylics, but I don’t like them, and they don’t like me.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish





How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush?



Show of hands...



Greg Martin



Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



In a message dated 1/15/2017 3:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:



At yesterday's Great Train Show I talked with Joel Bragdon, the weathering powder entrepreneur, about base and finish coatings for use with chalks and powders.



He mentioned that Rust-Oleum announced a new coating last March called "Dead Flat Clear" and that he likes the product. Here is a photo link:



<http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu> http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu



I did a little searching and found that Home Depot and Lowe's both carry it.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Air hoses

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I agree with Jack on the Hi-Tech Details hoses. They sometimes have a ‘set’ to them that can be eliminated so they will hang properly, but that’s the only drawback. I like their brackets, too.



Schuyler



After trying Kadee air hoses (too easily broken) and maybe some others, I have settled on Hi-Tech Details. I have not tried the ones with the brass brackets since I am using brackets from Precision Scale but those who have used them have, I think, been pleased with them. Here is the website:

http://www.hitechdetails.com/Catalog/cfm/catalog-htd.cfm

Jack Burgess

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Subject: [STMFC] Air hoses

Really enjoyed Michael Gross's weathering article in the January MRH. The lack of coupler trip pin and air hose installation added to the look I am after. I plan to use some of his techniques and add air hoses to my fleet.

Looking for suggestions on which hoses to buy and any installation tips. Modeling the B&O in September 1956.

Thanks.

Fran Giacoma

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Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

jczzo126 CocuzzaT
 

I have probably tried all these methods and types of paints over the years. Remember Ulrich 410M paint? Dullcote seems to be very humidity sensitive, the higher the humidity, the more likely to get white or milky. I have even used Testor's cheap plastic airbrushes, either with a propellant can or my compressor. Clean them a couple times, toss them if they get too crappy. I do have a good compressor and booth, and a good, really old Miller brush, and a Passche. For clean-up, appropriate thinner for whatever type of paint I used. The secret with spray cans is, make sure they're shaken well, and warm. Also, I save the nozzles when the can is empty, clean it good, and then, if I have a can that doesn't have a good clean nozzle, chuck it and change it. I do tend to use spray cans when I can, set-up and clean-up time quicker. But, now that I am building better (read more $$) kits, It's worth my time to finish it well.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:50 PM, frangiacoma@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Got a can of Dead Flat Clear today at Home Depot and sprayed an Owl Mountain Models lumber load. Came out better than using Dullcoat, which has been my flat finish for a number of years. Given this success, I'll try it on other items.

Fran Giacoma


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

StephenK
 

I started out many years ago with a budget Badger airbrush and had good li=uck with it.   I then got a nice, single action Paasch and used it for years, but finally the needle and tip needed replacement and I decided to go for a double action.   I got a Testors Aztec and used it for a while, but it gave me a lot of trouble.   Now I am back to the cheapie Badger and getting the results I need with no problems.   

I have used  Dullcote in the rattle can for years, but am ready to try the Rust-Oleum--the Dullcote is a lot of money for a small can!@

Steve Kay

Re: Air hoses

Jack Burgess
 

After trying Kadee air hoses (too easily broken) and maybe some others, I have settled on Hi-Tech Details. I have not tried the ones with the brass brackets since I am using brackets from Precision Scale but those who have used them have, I think, been pleased with them. Here is the website:



http://www.hitechdetails.com/Catalog/cfm/catalog-htd.cfm



Jack Burgess



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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Air hoses








Really enjoyed Michael Gross's weathering article in the January MRH. The lack of coupler trip pin and air hose installation added to the look I am after. I plan to use some of his techniques and add air hoses to my fleet.

Looking for suggestions on which hoses to buy and any installation tips. Modeling the B&O in September 1956.

Thanks.

Fran Giacoma

Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Fran Giacoma
 

Got a can of Dead Flat Clear today at Home Depot and sprayed an Owl Mountain Models lumber load. Came out better than using Dullcoat, which has been my flat finish for a number of years. Given this success, I'll try it on other items.
Fran Giacoma

Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Gene Deimling
 

I find it surprising that rattle cans would be used on model equipment especially a brand sold at Home Depot.
The best dead flat finish is Alclad 2. It is intended for airbrush only.

Gene Deimling

Air hoses

Fran Giacoma
 

Really enjoyed Michael Gross's weathering article in the January MRH. The lack of coupler trip pin and air hose installation added to the look I am after. I plan to use some of his techniques and add air hoses to my fleet.

Looking for suggestions on which hoses to buy and any installation tips. Modeling the B&O in September 1956.

Thanks.

Fran Giacoma

Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Andy Brusgard
 

Denny, I never turn the spray can upside down to clear the nozzle. I pull they nozzle off and drop it into a small jar wirh lacquer thinner. After a few minutes, I  run some lacquer thinner through it with a dropper.  Put it back on the can and you are go to go the next time. Just, don't push it back on the can to hard or you are starting over. :-)
AndyB
modelengineers.org

Re: My Airbrush Cleaning Routine

James SANDIFER
 

I still have a stock of Floquil. I have two jars of lacquer thinner. When finished painting, I use the "dirty" one to flush the airbrush, then I use the clean one to flush the airbrush. That's it. I have not taken it apart in a year or more. When the "clean" jar becomes clouded, I throw out the "dirty" thinner and replace it with the cloudy clean, the refill the "clean" one. If the needle is stuck when I start, I I just run put it in the clean jar and blow bubbles for 15 seconds and it frees up. 

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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I’m with Clark, I paint acrylics and prefer to set up my spray booth next to a sink. I keep a bottle of window cleaner handy. After painting I run hot water through the airbrush, then some window cleaner, then flush with more hot water. Since I started this routine I have not encountered a clogged airbrush.

 

I saw in a recent video that Ken Patterson mounted his spray booth fan motor outside the building, eliminating the noise inside. That idea intrigues me. As I have to go through a window in my new home (brick house I do not own) I may consider that idea. For now as I use acrylic, the outside exhaust is not a requirement, just the spraybooth with a  good filter. I use the pleated filters from the furnace.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Ben,

Thanks for the info about decanting paint from spray cans. I appreciate the education.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Bill Keene asked:
"That said, I am wondering if the Rust-Oleum comes in a can or bottle along with the rattle can? If not, then perhaps spraying into a jar and then using that to spray from an air brush might be a good solution."

Decanting paint from spray cans:


Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Tony Thompson
 

       I am very apprehensive with spray cans and always get the spray going on a card before deciding if it is "burping" globs of paint or not. But if it sprays okay and I can spray from a distance where it is almost drying before arrival, I find most brands work well. I have used a number of Tamiya colors in spray cans with good result.
       But most railroad colors, and any really good model, I would certainly use either my Badger or Iwata airbrush. I would echo those who have emphasized cleaning -- I learned this many years ago and ALWAYS clean immediately after use. Sometimes I realize I missed a spot and have to reload, repaint, and re-clean, but I ALWAYS clean upon stopping painting. All my brushes work fine.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Wait!!! You mean, paint comes in CANS?



I never use spray cans for model work. I want control over what, where and how much paint I apply.



I have a Binks Wren (two, actually) even still, and have gotten compliments on the results, and have even done custom painting using them. The Binks compressor finally gave out (acquired about 1975) and I bought a Harbor Freight horizontal tank compressor to replace that, which is fine but kind of noisy. I built a spray booth, which goes out the same window opening as the clothes dryer (but not at the same time!) which was fitted (by others) with a dryer vent fitting through a piece of plexi. That will be upgraded to simply through the wall this summer, when the basement rework is closer to being complete.



The Rust Oleum flat sounds interesting, but as faithful readers may recall, years ago I came across a flat lacquer used in the professional photographer trade to spray finished photos after they’d been retouched. Of course, now, ‘retouching” happens in the computer but you can still buy that flat a lacquer at a good paint store, the only problem being that it comes only in gallon size, and needs to be let down about 4:1 with lacquer thinner.



I have used acrylics, but I don’t like them, and they don’t like me.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 2:24 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish





How many guys here use spray cans to paint their HO Scale equipment? In today's world why wouldn't you have acquired even the most economic airbrush?



Show of hands...



Greg Martin



Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



In a message dated 1/15/2017 3:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:



At yesterday's Great Train Show I talked with Joel Bragdon, the weathering powder entrepreneur, about base and finish coatings for use with chalks and powders.



He mentioned that Rust-Oleum announced a new coating last March called "Dead Flat Clear" and that he likes the product. Here is a photo link:



<http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu> http://tinyurl.com/jnou4lu



I did a little searching and found that Home Depot and Lowe's both carry it.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Keene asked:
"That said, I am wondering if the Rust-Oleum comes in a can or bottle along with the rattle can? If not, then perhaps spraying into a jar and then using that to spray from an air brush might be a good solution."

Decanting paint from spray cans:

Re: Branchline Freight Car Ends

dh30973
 

Those Branchline/Atlas BL-10002 ends and ladders are available from Cannon and Company. I bought a large quanta from Atlas for use with some of my laser cut freight car kits.


3105 Branchline R 3/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends

 

Dave Hussey
Cannon and Company

Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Jon Miller
 

On 1/16/2017 8:43 AM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] wrote:

The Rust-Oleum “Dead Flat Clear” sound interesting and worth a try.

    I can see it's use for scenery(trees, etc.) and will check it out.  Normally I look at spray can paint as opposed to paint for an airbrush kind of like thin ACC vs thick ACC!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Rust-Oleum Dead Flat Clear Finish

Gary Ray
 

I haven’t tried the new Rustoleum, but I custom mix their Camouflage paint for ties and also use their primer for rails. I hot glue a flex straw to the nozzle and spray it into a deep jar.  You cannot do a whole can at a time because the paint has to be decanted to get the propellant out.  Fasted way (but could be messy as paint boils up) is to use an electric stirrer.  Just letting it sit for a few days works better.  I dilute the paint with the old type lacquer thinner.  I use an OSHA approved spray mask with NEW filters.  I have a free standing building for the layout.  I also keep doors open at both ends with a fan blowing air in at one end and blowing out at the other.  I use the paint in a Badger Patriot 105 (gravity feed) which is easier to clean than another brand I have which is siphon feed.

 

Gary Ray

 

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Has anyone tried spraying the new Rustoleum  with an airbrush?


On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:03 AM, 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I paint pretty exclusively with acrylics, Badger, PollyScale, Model Masters, etc.  But I will use Dullcote, or similar, in a spray can for a final flat.  After many years of dreading painting, I now have a good compressor, tank, trap, regulator, etc. as well as a nice Paasche booth with fan and filter.  Currently, I move the booth onto the washer, next to the basement sink, when I am ready to paint for quick clean up.

 

Steve Hile

 

 







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