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Re: Duke University construction photos

Ray Breyer
 

Yeah....except that I don't have a "list" of these images, just my sub-folder of all of them in my research database.
Let's see if this works. I just added an image to the FILES section of the group, titled "Duke University Collection - images with rail content". Let's see if it gets past moderation. The list shows each of the images I harvested, with what's in them, their location, date, and collection call number. Just type in whatever's in parentheses ("EC0433", for example) at the collection home page main search bar and it'll take you right to the image.
(oh: and I found 84 images, not 86!)

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Ray,

I'm sure that the list of photos with rail content from the Duke collection would be of interest to many members of the group, so I would encourage you to post it here if you're feeling generous.

Dan Miller



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Rail Unloading, 1919

Matt Goodman
 

Two photos from the Miami Valley Conservancy District's construction photo catalog are linked below, along with their descriptions.  I've linked to this site once or twice before - an interesting collection of photos for more than freight cars.

NYC stake sided flats having rail unloaded.  The rest of the car details are up to this group. I found the rail stacking interesting.  This work is part of a significant realignment of the named railroads to accommodate a flood control project.
Location: Big Four & Erie Railroad 
Date Taken: 8/7/1919
Book Page: Album 25 - 048
Unloading new 90-pound rail with locomotive crane. Piled in storage at Enon and used later for Big Four track on final relocation.

N&W gondola that may be being used to haul aggregate.  B&O re-alignment very apparent in this photo.
Location: B & O Railroad at Taylorsville 
Date Taken: 11/5/1918
Book Page: Album 25 - 115
Concrete structures. Building concrete culvert near station 154, 2.5 miles south of Taylorsville Dam. View looking north.



Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Re: Duke University construction photos

culturalinfidel9@...
 

Ray,

I'm sure that the list of photos with rail content from the Duke collection would be of interest to many members of the group, so I would encourage you to post it here if you're feeling generous.

Dan Miller

Re: Duke University construction photos

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Earl, 

A couple of years ago, I mined the Duke collection and came up with around 86 rail-content images. I'll get you a list of them off-list tonight.

As for the DL&W Company Photos.......I've reviewed just over 18,000 of them and came up with well over 3,000 images with identifiable railroad equipment in them (that includes DL&W steam, passenger cars and cabooses, as well as revenue freight cars). You'll be working on that list for a LONG time!   :-)
 
Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Subject: [STMFC] Duke University construction photos

I also had recently gone through those Duke images.  Here is a list of all I could find:

http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html

I had started going through the Steamtown images next, but a computer... mishap... resulted in me losing much of that
work.

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Duke University construction photos

Earl Tuson
 

I also had recently gone through those Duke images. Here is a list of all I could find:

http://fc.redmansefarm.com/photos.html

I had started going through the Steamtown images next, but a computer... mishap... resulted in me losing much of that
work.

Earl Tuson

Re: duke sou gon

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

Garth


That's the post-war P-S rebuild that Jim King did in resin. I'm not sure how much was rebuilt and how much was new; given the differences between before and after I strongly suspect that the rebuild status was more to comply with an accounting definition than an engineering one. 


There was a small scale reprint of the drawings of the cars when new in back issue of "Ties" magazine from the SRHA; I don't have the   issue handy I am afraid, but there is an index on the SRHA website


Aidrian


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Dave and Mike,

1962 general arrangement drawings for the 119XXX series can be found here: http://southernmodeler.info/SRrollingstock/SR_FRT_CAR_DGMS_1962.pdf . It is drawing #58.

The drawing shows Dreadnought ends. I don't know if there were exceptions that still had the horizontal stiffener, or the cars were all rebuilt at some point.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 2/12/17 7:45 PM, 'David Bott' dbott@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

My 1926 ORER is 3 years before the date in the photo. The build date in the
photo is 1924 and the number of 1,000 in the ORER fits with Wiley and
Wallace's "Southern Railway Handbook" where they state that the Southern had
1000 all steel low side gons of that type ordered. Checking the 1938 ORER
shows only 4 gone in 12 years; that is pretty good for hardworking gons
through the Depression era!

I'm sure the SRHA archives in Kennesaw have the data (probably drawings,
maybe the order documentation), but that info has not been published to
date. So I can't help you on the description of the end. It is pretty
cool. I doubt one rib without taper would have been named or marketed
Dreadnought, but it is evidence that the idea of ribs applied horizontally
to stiffen freight car ends is an evolutionary one.

Dave

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Mike,

Here's a good look at one of those Southern gondolas. This is image #174.
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19290301WC0174

Not a Dreadnaught end. This is a flat steel end with a horizontal press
steel stiffener riveted across the end plate. These pressed steel components
are similar to the side stakes.

It looks like this Southern gon has a 1924 build date.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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In the Duke West Campus photos, there are several pictures (174, 353, 194,
and others) of a SOU gon.
Is the end a 1/0 Dreadnought? :)
No, seriously though, what is that kind of end called? Thx.
Mike Turner
MP-Z35




Re: duke sou gon

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave and Mike,

1962 general arrangement drawings for the 119XXX series can be found here: http://southernmodeler.info/SRrollingstock/SR_FRT_CAR_DGMS_1962.pdf . It is drawing #58.

The drawing shows Dreadnought ends. I don't know if there were exceptions that still had the horizontal stiffener, or the cars were all rebuilt at some point.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 2/12/17 7:45 PM, 'David Bott' dbott@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

My 1926 ORER is 3 years before the date in the photo. The build date in the
photo is 1924 and the number of 1,000 in the ORER fits with Wiley and
Wallace's "Southern Railway Handbook" where they state that the Southern had
1000 all steel low side gons of that type ordered. Checking the 1938 ORER
shows only 4 gone in 12 years; that is pretty good for hardworking gons
through the Depression era!

I'm sure the SRHA archives in Kennesaw have the data (probably drawings,
maybe the order documentation), but that info has not been published to
date. So I can't help you on the description of the end. It is pretty
cool. I doubt one rib without taper would have been named or marketed
Dreadnought, but it is evidence that the idea of ribs applied horizontally
to stiffen freight car ends is an evolutionary one.

Dave

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Mike,

Here's a good look at one of those Southern gondolas. This is image #174.
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19290301WC0174

Not a Dreadnaught end. This is a flat steel end with a horizontal press
steel stiffener riveted across the end plate. These pressed steel components
are similar to the side stakes.

It looks like this Southern gon has a 1924 build date.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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In the Duke West Campus photos, there are several pictures (174, 353, 194,
and others) of a SOU gon.
Is the end a 1/0 Dreadnought? :)
No, seriously though, what is that kind of end called? Thx.
Mike Turner
MP-Z35




Re: duke sou gon

Donald B. Valentine
 

   There is also a way that tracks are sometimes removed from a campus as well, Tim. The next 
time you are in Durham, NH find Demerrit Hall next to Thompson with its bell tower. The double
tracked main of the B&M used to come right through were the front door to Demerrit is now located,
across Main St. and down what is now Strafford Ave. before a line straightening project in the late
1920's moved it to the present location 150 yds. or so to the west. Just one of the things we 
surveying students learned back in the 1960's with an old timer like Pop Dawson for a C.E. prof.

My best, Don Valentine

Photos from Holsinger Collection

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

The recent post about the Duke photos got me thinking about my former employer (UVA) and their online collection of historic photos from the Holsinger Studios in Charlottesville. I've spend a couple hours rambling through them looking for photos of freight cars, and found a few to share with you. These were mostly taken along the Southern or the C&O in the central Virginia area and date from around 1912. One is from somewhere near Schuyler on the Nelson & Albemarle in the 1930s (the first photo). There are a lot more photos of tracks, depots, industries, wrecks, passenger cars, and a few Southern locomotives. If you want to look at these go to http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog and using the advanced search button enter "Holsinger" for author and "Railroads" for subject. This should give you 155 hits.

Once you have the catalog view from the URLs below, you will see a medium sized copy of the photo with a block marked "download image". Click here for a much larger view. This can be blown up even further, giving you excellent detail (these photos were shot on 8X10-inch glass plates!). I don't recommend you try to open the PDF files--it takes forever.

I'm sure those of you who like truss rod-era cars will enjoy looking at these photos, and there is a lot to learn in them. Have fun.

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1051956

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1049099

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1050463

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1050464

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1041514

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1040674

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1050478

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1050483

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1044713

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1041327

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1041516

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1051316

http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:1041521

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff







Re: duke sou gon

Dave Lawler
 

I seem to remember seeing some photos of a temporary rail line used to bring materials for the  construction of the Biltmore mansion at Asheville, NC.
Dave Lawler

Re: Help needed for 1904 MDT reefers

Dennis Storzek
 

It's called camber, and still used today with long fabrications. Drawings for the TTX 89' All Purpose flats call out a certain amount of camber (1-1/2", IIRC). The point is it's not normally enough to be noticeable, although the angle of the photo accentuates it. With wood cars it wasn't particularly calculated to flatten out under load, but rather to gradually settle out as the wood members seated themselves.

 Dennis Storzek

Re: Help needed for 1904 MDT reefers

Bernhard Schroeter
 

Don,
thank you very much for your source!
I think that this will be very helpful!

Bernhard

Re: Help needed for 1904 MDT reefers

Bernhard Schroeter
 

Hallo Chuck,

I'm surprised if you say that hogged cars will be the normal condition at unloaded cars.
I think that this will be "normal" only on very new cars. In other case there we could find a lot more pictures of hogged cars.
However exactly this hogged position is that what gives me the inspiration to build such never to find models with one seldom modeled exception - my hogged and loaded gondolas which I built after real prototypes.
See these models on my website - http://us-modelsof1900.de/?p=190

Bernhard



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What you call humped is a condition often called hogged.  It would be normal in an unloaded car.
Weight in the middle of the car between the bolsters adds tension on the truss rods and compression
on the wooden frame. 
If you observe empty flatbed semitrailers you will see them arched or hogged so that they will
straighten when loaded.  Not uncommon to see bridges built the same way as they are stronger
in compression than in tension. 
Chuck Peck in FL

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:13 AM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I assume this group of refrigerator cars are newly built. I am noticing that each underframes is "humped" I assume because the truss rods are over tighten. Was this the practice at the time? Are we to assume as the lumber dried and shrunk the underframe would settle into a more level position or did the car men make adjustments to the turnbuckles as the wood aged?

Many model sagging truss rod underframes, but I recall someone stating that "humped" underframes was a more common problem and rarely modeled..

Bob Witt


Re: Help needed for 1904 MDT reefers

Charles Peck
 

What you call humped is a condition often called hogged.  It would be normal in an unloaded car.
Weight in the middle of the car between the bolsters adds tension on the truss rods and compression
on the wooden frame. 
If you observe empty flatbed semitrailers you will see them arched or hogged so that they will
straighten when loaded.  Not uncommon to see bridges built the same way as they are stronger
in compression than in tension. 
Chuck Peck in FL

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:13 AM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I assume this group of refrigerator cars are newly built. I am noticing that each underframes is "humped" I assume because the truss rods are over tighten. Was this the practice at the time? Are we to assume as the lumber dried and shrunk the underframe would settle into a more level position or did the car men make adjustments to the turnbuckles as the wood aged?

Many model sagging truss rod underframes, but I recall someone stating that "humped" underframes was a more common problem and rarely modeled..

Bob Witt


Re: Help needed for 1904 MDT reefers

rwitt_2000
 

I assume this group of refrigerator cars are newly built. I am noticing that each underframes is "humped" I assume because the truss rods are over tighten. Was this the practice at the time? Are we to assume as the lumber dried and shrunk the underframe would settle into a more level position or did the car men make adjustments to the turnbuckles as the wood aged?

Many model sagging truss rod underframes, but I recall someone stating that "humped" underframes was a more common problem and rarely modeled..

Bob Witt

CB&Q layout design

Eric Hansmann
 

Nelson Moyer shares his layout design process in the latest Resin Car Works blog post. This is the first of several reports Nelson will be posting. Check it out!

http://blog.resincarworks.com/layout-design-with-nelson-moyer-part-1/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: duke sou gon

Eric Hansmann
 

Rob,

The first Seaboard ventilated box car (XV) you noted in photo #130 is a V9 class car built in the early 1920s. Here's the photo link.

https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260615EC0130


The Seaboard XV car in photo #170 is an earlier car. While it had a Murphy corrugated steel end, it seems to have a fishbelly side sill common to a series of Seaboard XV cars built in the Teens.
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260816EC0170


A similar Seaboard XV can be seen in this photo behind a Central of Georgia XV car..

https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260601EC0116


That image will be helpful to apply 1926 era lettering to a Central of Georgia XV resin kit I have in my stash.


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On February 12, 2017 at 10:36 PM "Robert kirkham rdkirkham@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Thanks for posting these photos:

That photo #130 contains a very interesting Seaboard ventilator 89819 - with the Murphy style ribs of the upper panel truncated on either side of the vents. Cool.

Rob Kirkham

https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260615EC0123
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260615EC0130
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19260816EC0170
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19300503WC0346
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19300503WC0351a
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19300503WC0347b

Zoom in on the image, then go to FULL SCREEN. Mouse-move the picture as you like it, and hit PRINT SCREEN on your keyboard. Open PhotoShop and click on "new from clipboard" (or the equivalent). It cracks me up that some web sites think you can't copy pictures. If you can see it, you can copy it.

Tim O'Connor

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I also had fun scanning through both the East and West parts of the collection. There is an interesting NS boxcar #20111 (I think) with a scroll style herald that shows up in East side photos 123, 130 and 170. I also was astonished at the variety of gondolas - CRRofNJ, D&H, PRR, Southern, and many more. There are some interesting boxcars including a Clinchfield USRA S/S, a B&O M26, some NYC System and Erie 36' cars in the West part photos. Photos 346, 351A and 347B.
Todd Sullivan

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Re: Help needed for 1904 MDT reefers

Don Burn
 

Get a copy of Merchants Despatch by Roger Hinman, see http://www.signaturepress.com/MDT/MDT.html

Don Burn

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Hallo Friends,

I'm in search for pictures and drawings for these 1904 MDT reefer, pictured on Shorpy - http://www.shorpy.com/node/8252. <http://www.shorpy.com/node/8252> Click on picture for seeing the full size version.
Also pictures/drawings of next generation of these cars would be helpful.

Thanks you very much!

Bernhard - modelsof1900 - my website www.us-modelsof1900.de <http://www.us-modelsof1900.de>

Help needed for 1904 MDT reefers

Bernhard Schroeter
 

Hallo Friends,

I'm in search for pictures and drawings for these 1904 MDT reefer, pictured on Shorpy - http://www.shorpy.com/node/8252. Click on picture for seeing the full size version.
Also pictures/drawings of next generation of these cars would be helpful.

Thanks you very much!

Bernhard - modelsof1900 - my website www.us-modelsof1900.de