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Re: Brock's Rule #1 remains in force

Tim O'Connor
 


Dan what you're missing is that some people are willing to pay MUCH MORE
than that for a single slide... like $910.00 for a mediocre shot of an N&W
steam locomotive...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371821048209

Tim O'Connor



 $153.50 and 31 bids for a single slide?  What am I missing here?
 Why the intense interest in this item?
 Dan Miller


Re: duke sou gon

A&Y Dave in MD
 

My 1926 ORER is 3 years before the date in the photo. The build date in the
photo is 1924 and the number of 1,000 in the ORER fits with Wiley and
Wallace's "Southern Railway Handbook" where they state that the Southern had
1000 all steel low side gons of that type ordered. Checking the 1938 ORER
shows only 4 gone in 12 years; that is pretty good for hardworking gons
through the Depression era!



I'm sure the SRHA archives in Kennesaw have the data (probably drawings,
maybe the order documentation), but that info has not been published to
date. So I can't help you on the description of the end. It is pretty
cool. I doubt one rib without taper would have been named or marketed
Dreadnought, but it is evidence that the idea of ribs applied horizontally
to stiffen freight car ends is an evolutionary one.



Dave











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Mike,

Here's a good look at one of those Southern gondolas. This is image #174.
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19290301WC0174

Not a Dreadnaught end. This is a flat steel end with a horizontal press
steel stiffener riveted across the end plate. These pressed steel components
are similar to the side stakes.

It looks like this Southern gon has a 1924 build date.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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Subject: [STMFC] duke sou gon

In the Duke West Campus photos, there are several pictures (174, 353, 194,
and others) of a SOU gon.
Is the end a 1/0 Dreadnought? :)
No, seriously though, what is that kind of end called? Thx.
Mike Turner
MP-Z35


HO scale UTLX decal sets

Eric Hansmann
 

An enhanced Union Tank Line HO scale decal set is now available from Resin Car Works. This offers extra data for 10K gallon Class X-3 tank cars. Check out the RCW decal page for more details!

 

http://resincarworks.com/decals_parts.htm

 

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: Brock's Rule #1 remains in force

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

You're not missing anything, Dan. Looking at the bidding history it looks like some snipers got into a bidding war... I hope that whoever won it is happy with his/her $153.50 slide...
 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA


On Sunday, February 12, 2017 3:06 PM, "culturalinfidel9@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
$153.50 and 31 bids for a single slide?  What am I missing here?  Why the intense interest in this item?

Dan Miller



Re: duke sou gon

Eric Hansmann
 

Mike,

Here's a good look at one of those Southern gondolas. This is image #174.
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction/19290301WC0174


Not a Dreadnaught end. This is a flat steel end with a horizontal press
steel stiffener riveted across the end plate. These pressed steel components
are similar to the side stakes.

It looks like this Southern gon has a 1924 build date.


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 4:51 PM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: [STMFC] duke sou gon

In the Duke West Campus photos, there are several pictures (174, 353, 194,
and others) of a SOU gon.
Is the end a 1/0 Dreadnought? :)
No, seriously though, what is that kind of end called? Thx.
Mike Turner
MP-Z35


duke sou gon

mike turner
 

In the Duke West Campus photos, there are several pictures (174, 353, 194, and others) of a SOU gon.
Is the end a 1/0 Dreadnought? :)
No, seriously though, what is that kind of end called? Thx.
Mike Turner
MP-Z35


New CNWHS Modeler

ron christensen
 

A new CNWHS Modeler is available now. The articles are;

  • Building a 1970s Grain Boxcar Fleet: Part 6 Modeling Former M&StL Cars
  • Essential Businesses: Part 7 LPG Dealers
  • High Pressure Tank Cars
  • Ammonia and the Railroads
  • From the CNWHS Archives
  • C&NW Grain Covered Hoppers in S Scale


Ron Christensen 



Re: Brock's Rule #1 remains in force

culturalinfidel9@...
 

$153.50 and 31 bids for a single slide?  What am I missing here?  Why the intense interest in this item?

Dan Miller


Re: Duke University construction photos

Eric Hansmann
 

I’m always happy to point out resources, Garth. I was unaware that this Duke University archive was not more known.

https://repository.duke.edu/dc/dukeconstruction

 

 

 

I trolled thought several images again last night and realized the east campus images have better freight car content than the west campus images. It seems the photographer was standing on or in freight cars to take many of the west campus images.

 

I, too, have been surprised at the number of smaller northern roads represented in the freight car mix. There are several D&H cars that show up. CNJ, and P&R (Reading) cars are also highly represented. A Pennsy XL box car can be seen in a couple images. It has quite a few replacement boards on the door and sheathing. Sadly, it is located on the edge of the images and we can’t get a good look at the full car side.

 

I’ve got a soft spot for Fowler box cars owned by US railroads, so this NC&StL car is a great find. I did not know this lettering style lasted into 1926.

https://idn.duke.edu/ark:/87924/r3s756z9m

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

 




Eric,

Thanks for calling this archive to our attention. There are some very rare freight cars in this collection, including a Norfolk Southern gondola I've never seen before. Anyone who models the 1920-1940 era, or loves "y'all" railroads, should take the time to look at all these. There are even quite a few cars from "youse" railroads. :~)

Yours Aye,

 

Garth Groff

 

 


Brock's Rule #1 remains in force

Tim O'Connor
 

even in the future... every train has at least one NP box car.
Even if the train is on a barge. :-)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391644562446

Tim O'Connor


Re: going thru the Duke University collection

SUVCWORR@...
 

Looks like P&R  Philadelphia and Reading

Rich Orr


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Subject: [STMFC] going thru the Duke University collection



Hi List Members,
 
I've spent some enjoyable time going thru the Duke University collection that Garth pointed us to in a previous message.
 
Any thoughts as to which road the gon in the lower right belongs to? Road number might be 29761, but I cannot make out the road name. Use the on-screen tools to zoom in as much as you can to get details for it.
 
 
Claus Schlund
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Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

Eric,
Thanks for calling this archive to our attention. There are some very rare freight cars in this collection, including a Norfolk Southern gondola I've never seen before. Anyone who models the 1920-1940 era, or loves "y'all" railroads, should take the time to look at all these. There are even quite a few cars from "youse" railroads. :~)
Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

On 2/11/17 9:43 PM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
These crates look like cut stone to me. There are many vintage images in this on line gallery of Duke University campus construction of the 1920s & 30s. There are freight cars in several images. 


Of interest is this progress image that features a receiving area where cut stone was unloaded from freight cars. Notice how the stone is crated. 


As you refer back to the Vancouver panorama, note the cars with the taller crated loads are 70-ton mill gons like the G22. The shorter loads max out the cars with less capacity. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX






Re: going thru the Duke University collection

William Dale
 

Claus,
        The gondola appears to be a Philadelphia & Reading GHd gondola built in 1918.

Bill


Re: going thru the Duke University collection

William Dale
 

Claus,
      It looks to be a Philadelphia & Reading GHd gondola built in 1918. 

Bill


going thru the Duke University collection

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I've spent some enjoyable time going thru the Duke University collection that Garth pointed us to in a previous message.
 
Any thoughts as to which road the gon in the lower right belongs to? Road number might be 29761, but I cannot make out the road name. Use the on-screen tools to zoom in as much as you can to get details for it.
 
 
Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

Eric,

Thanks for calling this archive to our attention. There are some very rare freight cars in this collection, including a Norfolk Southern gondola I've never seen before. Anyone who models the 1920-1940 era, or loves "y'all" railroads, should take the time to look at all these. There are even quite a few cars from "youse" railroads. :~)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 2/11/17 9:43 PM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
These crates look like cut stone to me. There are many vintage images in this on line gallery of Duke University campus construction of the 1920s & 30s. There are freight cars in several images. 


Of interest is this progress image that features a receiving area where cut stone was unloaded from freight cars. Notice how the stone is crated. 


As you refer back to the Vancouver panorama, note the cars with the taller crated loads are 70-ton mill gons like the G22. The shorter loads max out the cars with less capacity. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX




Re: Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Eric,

Thanks for calling this archive to our attention. There are some very rare freight cars in this collection, including a Norfolk Southern gondola I've never seen before. Anyone who models the 1920-1940 era, or loves "y'all" railroads, should take the time to look at all these. There are even quite a few cars from "youse" railroads. :~)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 2/11/17 9:43 PM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
These crates look like cut stone to me. There are many vintage images in this on line gallery of Duke University campus construction of the 1920s & 30s. There are freight cars in several images. 


Of interest is this progress image that features a receiving area where cut stone was unloaded from freight cars. Notice how the stone is crated. 


As you refer back to the Vancouver panorama, note the cars with the taller crated loads are 70-ton mill gons like the G22. The shorter loads max out the cars with less capacity. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX




Those Tank Car-Supplied Gasoline Stations

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I received several more messages verifying the practice of supplying gasoline stations directly by tank cars on gas station spurs. Typical was this one from Wayne Henderson:

 

"It was a common practice 1928-1960 or so. Earliest recorded site was in Takoma Park, MD, in 1923. One of your attached photos shows this site. In 1928 J.M. Bough land leased land from the railroad and set up a gas station in suburban Nashville TN. That was the first of his Spur Distributing stations, eventually found from Long Island to Chicago and south to New Orleans. Others would follow: Tankar (Norfolk), Tankar (Twin Cities), Tan-Kar (Montgomery), Dixie Vim (Jacksonville), Red Head (Wooster OH), Peoples (Nashville), Martin (Carbondale IL), Direct (Nashville), and many others. Pipelines displaced the railroads after WW2 and the practice was gone by 1960."

 

Robert Stephens send me several items, including a photo of a desk blotter advertising White Fire gasoline. The blotter has an illustration of a tank car and the text covering the car reads, in part, "Direct from refinery to motor cars thru Tank Car Stations. Operated on railroad sites only. Lower prices because of Tank Car buying power. No trucking expense. Tank Car Stations, Inc."

 

I placed a photo of the blotter in the Photo Section in the album titled "Bob Chaparro Images".

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

Robert kirkham
 

The PRR and B&O empty gondolas just right of the centre bottom of the image appear to contain left-over mineral chunks – could be broken cut stone, or something else more unprocessed. 

 

Cars on the left, more distant tracks, as well as some of those to the right, appear to contain stacks of arch bar trucks without axles.

 

All in all, the combined tracks of cars and loads are pretty weird compare with most shots of the same yard over the years.

 

Rob  

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 6:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

 




These crates look like cut stone to me. There are many vintage images in this on line gallery of Duke University campus construction of the 1920s & 30s. There are freight cars in several images. 

 

 

Of interest is this progress image that features a receiving area where cut stone was unloaded from freight cars. Notice how the stone is crated. 

 

 

As you refer back to the Vancouver panorama, note the cars with the taller crated loads are 70-ton mill gons like the G22. The shorter loads max out the cars with less capacity. 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 


On Feb 11, 2017, at 6:55 PM, tyesac@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Great find Bruce!

 

I wonder if those loads of wheels are exported scrap metal going to Japan.  Behind that is a Cotton Belt DS box car.  Under the shadows of the overpass there is a gon with a load of arch bar truck side frames, there is also a P&LE steel gon with arch bar trucks and bottom hoppers. (behind the load of scrap piping in front of the freight warehouse)

 

Tom Casey

Grated material?  Not sure what you're talking about.  I see rib backed wheels, lots of wood, trucks, car frames, etc... looks material in the yard headed for a car shop.

 

Note, further to the left ar at least 2 PRR composite gons.  The lefthand one lettered PENNSYLVANIA LINES is likely a GRA gon, while the other might be a GR or GRA.  Note the B&O gon as well.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith



-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Feb 11, 2017 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

 

Grated material?  Not sure what you're talking about.  I see rib backed wheels, lots of wood, trucks, car frames, etc... looks material in the yard headed for a car shop.

 

Note, further to the left ar at least 2 PRR composite gons.  The lefthand one lettered PENNSYLVANIA LINES is likely a GRA gon, while the other might be a GR or GRA.  Note the B&O gon as well.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'John Riddell' riddellj@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

 

 

 

Here is an interesting photo with a great assortment of freight cars. On the right are some loaded PRR G22 steel gons so the photo likely is circa 1917 as G22 gons were built in 1915 to 1917. The grated material in the gons is a mystery.

 

 

 

John Riddell

 





Re: Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

Eric Hansmann
 

These crates look like cut stone to me. There are many vintage images in this on line gallery of Duke University campus construction of the 1920s & 30s. There are freight cars in several images. 


Of interest is this progress image that features a receiving area where cut stone was unloaded from freight cars. Notice how the stone is crated. 


As you refer back to the Vancouver panorama, note the cars with the taller crated loads are 70-ton mill gons like the G22. The shorter loads max out the cars with less capacity. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


On Feb 11, 2017, at 6:55 PM, tyesac@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Great find Bruce!

I wonder if those loads of wheels are exported scrap metal going to Japan.  Behind that is a Cotton Belt DS box car.  Under the shadows of the overpass there is a gon with a load of arch bar truck side frames, there is also a P&LE steel gon with arch bar trucks and bottom hoppers. (behind the load of scrap piping in front of the freight warehouse)

Tom Casey
Grated material?  Not sure what you're talking about.  I see rib backed wheels, lots of wood, trucks, car frames, etc... looks material in the yard headed for a car shop.

Note, further to the left ar at least 2 PRR composite gons.  The lefthand one lettered PENNSYLVANIA LINES is likely a GRA gon, while the other might be a GR or GRA.  Note the B&O gon as well.

Regards
Bruce Smith



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Feb 11, 2017 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

 
Grated material?  Not sure what you're talking about.  I see rib backed wheels, lots of wood, trucks, car frames, etc... looks material in the yard headed for a car shop.

Note, further to the left ar at least 2 PRR composite gons.  The lefthand one lettered PENNSYLVANIA LINES is likely a GRA gon, while the other might be a GR or GRA.  Note the B&O gon as well.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'John Riddell' riddellj@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917
 


 
Here is an interesting photo with a great assortment of freight cars. On the right are some loaded PRR G22 steel gons so the photo likely is circa 1917 as G22 gons were built in 1915 to 1917. The grated material in the gons is a mystery.
 
 
 
John Riddell



Re: Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

tyesac@...
 

Great find Bruce!

I wonder if those loads of wheels are exported scrap metal going to Japan.  Behind that is a Cotton Belt DS box car.  Under the shadows of the overpass there is a gon with a load of arch bar truck side frames, there is also a P&LE steel gon with arch bar trucks and bottom hoppers. (behind the load of scrap piping in front of the freight warehouse)

Tom Casey
Grated material?  Not sure what you're talking about.  I see rib backed wheels, lots of wood, trucks, car frames, etc... looks material in the yard headed for a car shop.

Note, further to the left ar at least 2 PRR composite gons.  The lefthand one lettered PENNSYLVANIA LINES is likely a GRA gon, while the other might be a GR or GRA.  Note the B&O gon as well.

Regards
Bruce Smith



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sat, Feb 11, 2017 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

 
Grated material?  Not sure what you're talking about.  I see rib backed wheels, lots of wood, trucks, car frames, etc... looks material in the yard headed for a car shop.

Note, further to the left ar at least 2 PRR composite gons.  The lefthand one lettered PENNSYLVANIA LINES is likely a GRA gon, while the other might be a GR or GRA.  Note the B&O gon as well.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'John Riddell' riddellj@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917
 


 
Here is an interesting photo with a great assortment of freight cars. On the right are some loaded PRR G22 steel gons so the photo likely is circa 1917 as G22 gons were built in 1915 to 1917. The grated material in the gons is a mystery.
 
 
 
John Riddell



Re: Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

Bruce Smith
 

​Ahhhh!  That makes more sense .  SWAG - air brake "kits" from Westinghouse, hence the PRR cars.

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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To: STMFC@...
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Hi Bruce and list members, 

I think this is a typo, try CRATED material...

Claus Schlund



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]"
Date:02/11/2017 17:22 (GMT-08:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917

Grated material?  Not sure what you're talking about.  I see rib backed wheels, lots of wood, trucks, car frames, etc... looks material in the yard headed for a car shop.


Note, further to the left ar at least 2 PRR composite gons.  The lefthand one lettered PENNSYLVANIA LINES is likely a GRA gon, while the other might be a GR or GRA.  Note the B&O gon as well.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'John Riddell' riddellj@... [STMFC]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Panoramic view of CPR yard by Vancouver harbour circa 1917
 


 
Here is an interesting photo with a great assortment of freight cars. On the right are some loaded PRR G22 steel gons so the photo likely is circa 1917 as G22 gons were built in 1915 to 1917. The grated material in the gons is a mystery.
 
 
 
John Riddell




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