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Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Tony Thompson

#147730

After reading 47 messages on this topic, decided to try with Firefox on my Mac. Site comes right up, though home page says there are "down periods." But the photos posted for today do come up all right.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>

#147729

Same here. Can not connect. The message reads, “Can not connect because the server is not responding.”

Being in the middle of a modeling project that is presently on hold.

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

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On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Chad Rogers ChadsHobbies@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I still can't get in to it on my phone nor computer.

Be well,

Chad C. Rogers
Jefferson City, Tenn. USA

On Feb 22, 2017, at 13:07, richramik@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

12:54pm and got in with no prob. Searched "fallen flags" and got the following url

www.rr-fallenflags.org

Rich Ramik

On 02/22/17, therrboomer@... [STMFC]<STMFC@...> wrote:

2/22 at 2:32am can't connect. Sometime in the past week I was able to connect though.

Dick Haave

Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Chad Rogers

#147728

I still can't get in to it on my phone nor computer.

Be well,

Chad C. Rogers
Jefferson City, Tenn. USA

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On Feb 22, 2017, at 13:07, richramik@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

12:54pm and got in with no prob. Searched "fallen flags" and got the following url

www.rr-fallenflags.org

Rich Ramik

On 02/22/17, therrboomer@... [STMFC]<STMFC@...> wrote:

2/22 at 2:32am can't connect. Sometime in the past week I was able to connect though.

Dick Haave

Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

richramik@...

#147727

12:54pm and got in with no prob. Searched "fallen flags" and got the following url

www.rr-fallenflags.org

Rich Ramik

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On 02/22/17, therrboomer@... [STMFC]<STMFC@...> wrote:

2/22 at 2:32am can't connect. Sometime in the past week I was able to connect though.

Dick Haave

ADMIN: Browsers, etc.

Mikebrock

#147726

Guys, the last ten or so messages on the STMFC have been out of scope. Note the STMFC rules: ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or my representatives.

And, members must sign messages with their full names. If the member's address IS their full name exactly [ to the left of an @ sign ] or simply their full name, that is acceptable as a signature.

The horse is, however, out of the barn and information being discussed is, apparently, very useful to members enabling them to use available software to study steam era frt cars. Therefore, discussion about browsers will be permitted for the remainder of the day unless it gets excessive. The objective of the STMFC is to discuss steam era frt cars, not software or hardware used in the process. If a member has information regarding software/browsers/computers etc. that the member believes useful for the group, you may send it to me at brockm@... or Jeff Aley at jeff.a.aley@....

Regardless, members must follow the full name rule as indicated above.

Mike Brock

STMFC Owner

Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Tim O'Connor

#147725

Ah, yes! I didn't realize people were trying to read them with browsers.
I ALWAYS download everything now because the browsers I use are no longer
supported by the latest generation of plug-ins. The only plug-in that still
works like a charm for me is Ad Block Plus :-)

Tim O'Connor

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Gents;

I suspect there is more than one thing going on here... Jim Hunter's report makes me wonder whether his browser's Acrobat plug-in is working properly. Bill Welch's advice to try another browser may provide a clue, if not relief, since it is unlikely that multiple browsers are going to have exactly the same problem.

Rob Adams

Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Ed Hawkins

#147723

On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Rob Adams steamera@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I suspect there is more than one thing going on here...Jim Hunter's report makes me wonder whether his browser's Acrobat plug-in is working properly. Bill Welch's advice to try another browser may provide a clue, if not relief, since it is unlikely that multiple browsers are going to have exactly the same problem.

Rob, Bill, Jim, and others interested,

I learned that the issue of the appearance and overly-thick grid lines can be dependent on the browser.

My first attempt using Firefox as my preferred browser resulted in overly-thick grid lines for the letter-size PDFs and nearly black & completely unreadable 11x17 tabloid PDFs. I later tried using my Safari browser, and the files appear as they should with thin grid lines.

I’ve corresponded with several members that have not experienced any problems viewing the files.

Regarding the data itself, I realize after expanding the scope of the information that there are some voids especially on the Canadian box cars. It’s also possible there are errors or omissions.

I will appreciate your help to improve these files as they should be considered “works in progress.” Please contact me Off List at hawk0621@....

As new information becomes available, I’ll plan on updating the files periodically. In the meantime I’m currently working on PS-1 box car files and will also plan to add rosters for other types of freight cars.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Tim O'Connor

#147724

Ed, I downloaded the "tabloid" format files - and all of them look fine
on my computer. I am using Windows XP (no longer supported), an old version
of Adobe Acrobat (no support), rickety old Firefox and Chrome browsers (neither
one supported), an ancient copy of Excel (no support), and a really old Eudora
(not supported). I guess sticking with what works, works! :-) :-)

Oh, and I recently replaced my entire DELL motherboard with a brand new one
for $49, so my PC is good for another 10 years. :-)

Tim O'Connor

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Jim,
I�ll need to figure out why the exact same PDFs that I sent to Rob had thin grid lines when I printed/saved them from Microsoft Excel spreadsheets appear much different when downloaded from the STMFC web site. The files I downloaded in 8 1/2 x 11 format have very thick grid lines, and the 11 x 17 tabloid files are nearly all black.

All of this makes no sense to me. There�s an obvious incompatibility somewhere that needs fixing. I created the Excel files on an iMac using OS 10.9 & Excel 2011 upgraded recently to version 14.7.1. The Adobe Acrobat software I�m using is 15.020.20042.

If anyone has ideas of how to generate these files so that anyone car download them and read them as intended with thin grid lines, please contact me Off List at hawk0621@....
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: Flat car stake pockets...

Dennis Storzek

#147722

---In STMFC@..., <mark_landgraf@...> wrote :

Jack

The quantity of stake pockets is function on the quantity of crossbearers that support the floor.
======================

It's a wood frame flatcar... therefore the number of crossbearers is two, the needle beams.

Stake pockets have two functions, or did back in the era this car was built: keep freight from falling off the deck, or provide support for planks to make a temporary gondola. It's this later function that seems to dictate spacing, more than 3-1/2 or 4 feet and the span becomes too long for the common 2" planking. Likewise, 3-1/2 foot spacing ensures three stakes against the side of a pile of ties. much longer spacing risks having loads like ties shake around and protrude outside the clearance limit.

Dennis Storzek

Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Douglas Harding

#147720

Some great info, thanks to Ed for compiling the information and to Rob for getting it posted.

And I had no trouble with downloading or viewing later. The files look fine. Using the latest Adobe Reader and Win10.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

richard haave

#147719

2/22 at 2:32am can't connect. Sometime in the past week I was able to connect though.

Dick Haave

Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Jim Gates

#147718

I downloaded all the files and the gridlines do not look overly thick to me.  I think they are the same size on both letter and landscape format but the cell size is smaller on the landscape so the gridlines appear thicker.

I would recommend setting your browser to do pdf's outside the browser.  It always seems to look better to me, and will give you the choice to download right away if you wish (this is what I did).

I also use Foxit Reader as opposed to Acrobat Reader, not sure if that made any difference.

It also seems like the gridlines stay the same thickness if you enlarge the document, at 400% they seem very fine relative to the text.

Jim Gates

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On Wed, 2/22/17, Ed Hawkins hawk0621@sbcglobal.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [STMFC] steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted
 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017, 12:09 AM


 On Feb 21, 2017, at
 7:56 PM, 'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@iupui.edu
 [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
 wrote:
 I
 went to the STMFC site to look at the tables Hawkins
 contributed, but I can't open them.  They turn black
 when I try to look at them.  What's wrong?
 Jim,I’ll
 need to figure out why the exact same PDFs that I sent to
 Rob had thin grid lines when I printed/saved them from
 Microsoft Excel spreadsheets appear much different when
 downloaded from the STMFC web site. The files I downloaded
 in 8 1/2  x 11 format have very thick grid lines, and the
 11 x 17 tabloid files are nearly all black. 
 All of this makes no sense to me.
 There’s an obvious incompatibility somewhere that needs
 fixing. I created the Excel files on an iMac using OS 10.9
 & Excel 2011 upgraded recently to version 14.7.1. The
 Adobe Acrobat software I’m using is
 15.020.20042.
 If
 anyone has ideas of how to generate these files so that
 anyone car download them and read them as intended with thin
 grid lines, please contact me Off List at hawk0621@sbcglobal.net. Regards,Ed
 Hawkins







    



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Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Rob Adams

#147721

Gents;

I suspect there is more than one thing going on here...ï¿½ Jim Hunter's report makes me wonder whether his browser's Acrobat plug-in is working properly.ï¿½ Bill Welch's advice to try another browser may provide a clue, if not relief, since it is unlikely that multiple browsers are going to have exactly the same problem.ï¿½

The embedded Acrobat "control" that previews the PDF files within a window from within the web page seems to render the PDF files somewhat crudely (thick grid lines, etc.), though the appearance varies with different zoom levels.ï¿½ Zooming in improves things significantly.

That said, in my experience, doing an actual download (saving the file from the web site) to a target location on your hard drive seems to work fine. I just tried it again and the downloads appear fine (No black and no thick gridlines).ï¿½ I'm using a 2015 iteration MacBook Pro with OS-X 10.12.1, Office 2011, and Acrobat Pro 2015.

I work in the IT world, and have access to many other systems, so will test on different PC and Mac hardware.

Ed;ï¿½ I'll circle back with you on this tomorrow.ï¿½

Kind regards,

Rob Adams

Wellman, IA

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On 2/22/17 12:09 AM, Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC] wrote:

ï¿½

On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:56 PM, 'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I went to the STMFC site to look at the tables Hawkins contributed, but I can't open them. ï¿½They turn black when I try to look at them. ï¿½What's wrong?

Jim,
Iï¿½ll need to figure out why the exact same PDFs that I sent to Rob had thin grid lines when I printed/saved them from Microsoft Excel spreadsheets appear much different when downloaded from the STMFC web site. The files I downloaded in 8 1/2 ï¿½x 11 format have very thick grid lines, and the 11 x 17 tabloid files are nearly all black.ï¿½

All of this makes no sense to me. Thereï¿½s an obvious incompatibility somewhere that needs fixing. I created the Excel files on an iMac using OS 10.9 & Excel 2011 upgraded recently to version 14.7.1. The Adobe Acrobat software Iï¿½m using is 15.020.20042.

If anyone has ideas of how to generate these files so that anyone car download them and read them as intended with thin grid lines, please contact me Off List at hawk0621@....ï¿½

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Ed Hawkins

#147717

On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:56 PM, 'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I went to the STMFC site to look at the tables Hawkins contributed, but I can't open them. They turn black when I try to look at them. What's wrong?

Jim,

I’ll need to figure out why the exact same PDFs that I sent to Rob had thin grid lines when I printed/saved them from Microsoft Excel spreadsheets appear much different when downloaded from the STMFC web site. The files I downloaded in 8 1/2 x 11 format have very thick grid lines, and the 11 x 17 tabloid files are nearly all black.

All of this makes no sense to me. There’s an obvious incompatibility somewhere that needs fixing. I created the Excel files on an iMac using OS 10.9 & Excel 2011 upgraded recently to version 14.7.1. The Adobe Acrobat software I’m using is 15.020.20042.

If anyone has ideas of how to generate these files so that anyone car download them and read them as intended with thin grid lines, please contact me Off List at hawk0621@....

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>

#147716

Working? Not yet when I click on the link. Just my on-going luck, I guess.

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

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On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:19 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Chill out, folks, it opened from Brian’s link below right to this statement:

“My ISP has been upgrading the server that hosts the RR Fallen Flags Web site. This has resulted in down periods. Part of the upgrade is to add more hard drive space as the site was getting near the limit.”

It’s more good news than bad. BTW, how many of you have sent George a check of support lately? I sent him one at the end of ’16.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:17 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

The link posted in the original email worked for me, but included an extra, unneeded, “/” at the end.

Today, though, it doesn’t seem to be working, even from my bookmark:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 12:58 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Nope, not for me, and Im concerned too as look at it daily for close to 20 years now! It has not opened here since Sat or Sunday! Mike

Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

Bill Welch

#147715

Sometimes search engines or browsers are quirky. I suggest using another browser.

Then again I tried all three of the browsers I have for the Fallen Flags site and none of them worked.

Maybe tomorrow will be a better day for both of us Jim.

Bill Welch

Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Schuyler Larrabee

#147714

Chill out, folks, it opened from Brian’s link below right to this statement:

“My ISP has been upgrading the server that hosts the RR Fallen Flags Web site. This has resulted in down periods. Part of the upgrade is to add more hard drive space as the site was getting near the limit.”

It’s more good news than bad.  BTW, how many of you have sent George a check of support lately?  I sent him one at the end of ’16.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:17 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

The link posted in the original email worked for me, but included an extra, unneeded, “/” at the end.

Today, though, it doesn’t seem to be working, even from my bookmark:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 12:58 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Nope, not for me, and Im concerned too as look at it daily for close to 20 years now! It has not opened here since Sat or Sunday! Mike

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Re: steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

naptownprr

#147713

Hi all,

I went to the STMFC site to look at the tables Hawkins contributed, but I can't open them. They turn black when I try to look at them. What's wrong?

Jim Hunter

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

FYI: the very useful and excellent website http://www.steamerafreightcars.com is not formally associated with the Steam-Era Freight Cars (STMFC) Yahoo!Group.

That said, we at STMFC appreciate and applaud what is done at that website to further our knowledge (and therefore enjoyment) of steam-era freight cars. But please bear in mind that if we do something horrible on the Yahoo!Group, it in no way represents the opinions of the management of that website.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, STMFC

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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:34 PM
To: Steam Freight Cars Group
Subject: [STMFC] steamerafreightcars.com - Updated 1932 ARA, 1937 AAR, Modified 1937 AAR and 40' Post-war AAR box car rosters posted

I'm pleased to report that significant new material has been posted to the web site.

Included are several new and updated tables of roster information for the following prototypes:

1932 ARA box car
1937 AAR box car
Modified 1937 AAR box car
Post-war 40' AAR box cars

This material was compiled by Ed Hawkins. There will be additional material added in coming days.

Please contact me off-list if you have questions, comments or material to contribute.

Kind regards, Rob

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Rob Adams

Wellman, Iowa

Re: USRA Composite Drop Bottom Gondolas

Paul Hillman

#147712

Thanks Jack, Couldn't locate any photos or plans. Looks good enough & logical to me. Yes there are some apparent metal straps on the doors & 2 small ones near each end.

Paul Hillman

Re: Fallen Flags Photo Website - Gone?

Lloyd Rinehart

#147710

I can tell you that my safari v. 6.2.8 via DSL from
Dixon, IL, got me there - no problem
to see freight cars
Some outages in some parts of the country??
Lloyd Rinehart