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Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Neither logical or likely.


Why weld an entire matching circle when you only need to preventing denting in the latch area?


Would there really be a concern about denting a fairly thick metal roof? The roof hatch is a stamping (relatively light weight) and its short arc of travel could hardly allow it to built up enough speed to be a concern.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: CM&StP box car broadside

Dennis Storzek
 

A couple things I noticed... 

The A end is damaged, with broken end posts.

The car has a different coupler at each end, both pre-ARA type D. The A end has a strange side operated coupler; to uncouple, you pull the cut lever out perpendicular to the track. The B end has a bottom operated rotary. This seems quite early for bottom operated couplers.

I stopped at the Sergent Engineering web site earlier this week. Frank now has an HO scale Sharon coupler, which would be just perfect for a model of this car. The Sharon is only 3/4 the length of a type D/E, giving cars that used them a close coupled appearance. The Sergent Sharon has the proper rib pattern on the "thumb" side of the knuckle.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Winter TKM is now available

Bruce Smith
 

​Folks,


My apologies!  This is issue #99!  The next issue of TKM will be #100!


Regards

Bruce Smith



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Folks,

The Winer 2017 issue of the Keystone Modeler, #98, is now available.  See http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
webmaster, PRRT&HS​





Winter TKM is now available

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The Winer 2017 issue of the Keystone Modeler, #98, is now available.  See http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
webmaster, PRRT&HS​



Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

Mark Vinski
 

   Is it really a weathering pattern? It looks to me like there could be an extra layer of metal welded onto the roof to prevent denting when the hatches are flipped open.


Mark Vinski


Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

Bill Vaughn
 

Interesting pattern.  Looks like the hatches may have been open for awhile since there is a pronounced ring.

Bill Vaughn


On Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:15 PM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I have several two-bay cement hoppers that I plan to weather using prototype photos as a guide. This particular photo by Robert Pisani caught my eye because of the subtle pattern around the roof hatches:
 
 
Notice the relatively clean circular areas where the open hatch covers shielded the roof from spilled cement. This is the only roof shot I've seen with this particular pattern from more than two dozen I've studied.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 



Re: CM&StP box car broadside

rwitt_2000
 

Richard,

This is a useful find especially for those modeling the as built CM&StP wood, double sheathed box car with the Bettendorf underframe from the Westerfield kit.

*12003 BETTENDORF DS BOX CAR, ORIGINAL, CM&StP, CMStP&P, MILW

As I recall when the kit was introduced, there were not many photos available for that prototype.

Bob Witt


Re: CM&StP box car broadside

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Richard,

Thanks for sharing the interesting photos.

This car was a very large Milw class of 3455 cars built in 1912 and 1913, and they lasted in to the 1950's in limited numbers. They have steel fishbelly Bettendorf under frame and are long, 42'5" exterior length. The 40 ton cars rode on Bettendorf boltless trucks when built. The A end lumber door was high on some cars as shown in the photo, and on other cars was 2/3 height. Photos in later years show some cars with braced ends.

In 1913, 2955 of these cars were built in Milwaukee shops (probably distributed between Milw, Dubuque and So. Minneapolis.) But that is still 1000 cars per shop, or about 4 per day (6 day work week) from each shop. Still an amazing amount of car production coming from in house.

During this time frame (1907 to 1916) Milw standardized on 42' boxcars having 16,839 of them. Latter they upped the length to 43' (1917 and 1918) and built another 2000 cars. Then the USRA cane along and made them purchase little 40' cars.

Ted

At 11:12 AM 2/23/2017, you wrote:
All

Another excellent freight car photo series on the ErieLack archive site...
from the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Richard McKnight;

CM&StP 501037 wood boxcar... circa 1919~1920 - full high-rez broadside
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1414.jpg

A 3/4 walkaround is in the series:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1411.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1412.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1413.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1415.jpg
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Re: Test message 1 +1

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 2/23/2017 3:44 PM, pullmanboss@... [STMFC] wrote:
No image there when viewing the post on the STMFC web site. Just a little black box with an "x" in it.

    It showed as a embedded picture on my email!  I'm not sure what happens but it appears sometimes one gets a picture and sometimes not.  It seems like when I get private or group email there is a picture and when I get something (say Harbor Freight ad) it shows as a black box with an "x" in it.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG, JMRI User
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Member SFRH&MS


Cement Hopper Weathering

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I have several two-bay cement hoppers that I plan to weather using prototype photos as a guide. This particular photo by Robert Pisani caught my eye because of the subtle pattern around the roof hatches:

 

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=2338

 

Notice the relatively clean circular areas where the open hatch covers shielded the roof from spilled cement. This is the only roof shot I've seen with this particular pattern from more than two dozen I've studied.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Test message 1 +1

Tom Madden
 

No image there when viewing the post on the STMFC web site. Just a little black box with an "x" in it.


Tom Madden


Re: Test message 1 +1

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Jeff,

Like this … as an insert within a message… ?


Yes. This is my photo of an ATSF SK-R stock car that was snapped in Morris, Kansas, on June 3, 1974.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Feb 23, 2017, at 2:34 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

This is a test to see if attached photos are allowed (as a result of the recent msg including a photo of an HO scale UP A-50-4).

[
Regards,

-Jeff

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Re: UP A-50-4

Tony Thompson
 

Peter Hall wrote:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can’t seem to locate a photo reference.

    UP made the change from Roman (serif) to Gothic (sans-serif) lettering in June 1939. The lettering was white (except for yellow slogans). It was not until 1947 that all lettering became yellow. So the all-white Gothic is fine for a car repainted anytime from 1939 to 1947.
     This particular model was the second resin car kit I ever built, and though the gray resin was a handful to work with, I loved (and still love) the model. Mine too made a trip to the floor, and the glass-brittleness of that early resin was a blessing. Every piece fit perfectly back together. I reassembled it with CA and you have to look carefully today to find the joins.

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Re: UP A-50-4

 

Pete - The instructions in your new kit should show photos of all variations.  I updated the kit 28th better detail and more variations about 2001.  If your kit doesn't have that info and has the Elk Grove address then you have the original kit 28th the old casting resin.  Best to throw it out.  Check out the Westerfield web site for photos of all kits.  Al Westerfield


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Peter Hall petehall6369@... [STMFC]
wrote:
 


Hello folks, I need a little advice from an expert, please:  


Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can’t seem to locate a photo reference.

This nice car once made a trip to the floor and broke into pieces,  as you see on the left end, but I was able to put it back together.  I guess that’s a testimony to the sturdiness of resin kits. 

Thanks
Pete












Test message 1

Aley, Jeff A
 

This is a test to see if attached photos are allowed (as a result of the recent msg including a photo of an HO scale UP A-50-4).

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Regards,

-Jeff


UP A-50-4

Peter Hall
 


Hello folks, I need a little advice from an expert, please:  


Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can’t seem to locate a photo reference.

This nice car once made a trip to the floor and broke into pieces,  as you see on the left end, but I was able to put it back together.  I guess that’s a testimony to the sturdiness of resin kits. 

Thanks
Pete












Re: Chipping

Gene Deimling
 

Tim
Mean Green will not harm enamel or lacquer. I believe he didn't want anyone to use enamel as the filter overlay.

Gene Deimling


Re: Chipping Fluid

Clark Propst
 

I’ve been using the AKI chipping and warn solutions on structures for a year or two. A friend just used the stuff on a box car roof. I’ll try to take some photos tonight. Beings it’s a resin kit I’ll attach the photos to an email on the resin freight cars group.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Chipping

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene

The only thing I found curious was Lee said not to "try this" mean green filter
method on solvent based paints. I assume he means that the cleanser would simply
be ineffective on solvent based paints, or was there something more sinister? :-\

Tim O'Connor






Recently, I posted a couple articles on weathering techniques used by Lee Turner.

On 3 September, Lee describes the use of Vallejo Chipping Fluids on weathering a model.

http://wp.me/p3M0JV-si

You will also find a useful article on the use of filters to age railroad equipment.

http://wp.me/p3M0JV-oa

--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA


Chipping

Gene Deimling
 

Recently, I posted a couple articles on weathering techniques used by Lee Turner.

On 3 September, Lee describes the use of Vallejo Chipping Fluids on weathering a model.


You will also find a useful article on the use of filters to age railroad equipment.

 

--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA

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