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Re: UP A-50-4 AUTO CAR

Peter Hall
 

Bill, thanks!  And, join the club…

Thanks
Pete




On Feb 24, 2017, at 1:52 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Terry Metcalfe did a great article of this car in his UNION PACIFIC MODELER Volume Two. It might be hard to find as I believe this was done in the 80's but I'm sure that there are some out there.. I must be pretty old.

Bill Pardie



UP A-50-4 AUTO CAR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Terry Metcalfe did a great article of this car in his UNION PACIFIC MODELER Volume Two. It might be hard to find as I believe this was done in the 80's but I'm sure that there are some out there.. I must be pretty old.

Bill Pardie


Re: Chipping Fluid

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce

Bruce I can think of some applications for "sharp demarcations" that are
not just rust spots.

Idea #1 is composite cars - Often on single sheathed cars the steel and
wood fade and weather very differently. First layer is the base wood color,
then the hairspray mask brush painted on the wood, then spray the steel color.
Remove the hairspray from the steel. (Seam Caps on roofs are another example
of this technique.)

Or how about replacement boards on refrigerator cars? Basically use the
hairspray (chipping fluid) as a weathering mask. Weather the car, and then
remove the mask from the "new" boards.

Finally, simulate "chalking" of lettering on heavily weathered cars. Paint
and decal the car, then brush paint the masking fluid over the lettering that
will remain bright. Weather the heck out of the car, then remove the mask.
Voila - bright lettering on a filthy car!

Tim O'Connor





Tim,

Great photos!  In my mind, I would characterize these as faded and not chipped paint, and I have looked to get the effect with layered washes and chalks. 

In looking at the photos though, I think you have a very valid point that the effect seen could be recreated with these chipping solutions by painting a lighter faded color, then the solution and then the darker weathered color and then create the wear pattern.  It's not so much chipping in this case but layering colors� Of course, you could also just do that without the chipping solutions�

The best use of the chipping solutions in my mind is to create areas with clear, sharp demarkations between the under neath color (bare metal, primer) and the top coat. 

One use that occurs to me is the horizontal rust streaks on boxcars where the forklift has been used to move a door.  Here's an example on a tank
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XZTohr7bkak/VsBe_sXIvrI/AAAAAAAACRw/zX3Npk2X3Fw/s1600/IMG_6708.JPG

That B&O M-26 is one of my favorite photos ;)


Regards
Bruce




Really?? And these (attached) are not the worst I've seen.


 >> I can't see too many steam era freight car applications where it might be appropriate,
 >> since few cars would have that degree of paint loss unless they were out of service.
 >> Bruce Smith


Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you, Rich. I knew it was a Fruit Growers affiliate, but forgot that Burlington had formed an operation.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

 



Not likely that they became part of Western Fruit Express.  CB&Q reefers became Burlington Reefer Express BREX.   WFEX was the Great Northern reefer subsidiary.

 

Rich Orr

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From: 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: stmfc
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2017 12:21 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

 

Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

 

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.

 

Here are the links.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.

 

Here are those links.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 



Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Nelson Moyer
 

CB&Q 36000-36749 is a 40 ft. Class RM-6 refrigerator car built my Haskell & Barker in 1914. It had steel center sill, so it was given 40 ton cast T-section trucks and renumbered in the BREX 76000-76749 series in 1926.

Nelson Moyer

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Not likely that they became part of Western Fruit Express. CB&Q reefers became Burlington Reefer Express BREX. WFEX was the Great Northern reefer subsidiary.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: stmfc <stmfc@...>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2017 12:21 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.

Here are the links.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1416.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1417.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1418.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1419.jpg


Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.

Here are those links.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1407.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1408.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1409.jpg



Enjoy!


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

SUVCWORR@...
 

Not likely that they became part of Western Fruit Express.  CB&Q reefers became Burlington Reefer Express BREX.   WFEX was the Great Northern reefer subsidiary.

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]
To: stmfc
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2017 12:21 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920



Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.
 
The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.
 
Here are the links.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.
 
Here are those links.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX



HO Enhanced kits for SP+C&O sq corner '37 AAR box cars

Andy Carlson
 



Hello-

For SP and C&O fans, I have some pre-war square corner '37 AAR box car kits. I only have 8 RC 8001 kits; when these are gone there is a likelyhood that the new owner Intermountain may never run these again. Frank at IMRC seemed skeptical, as IM has their own '37 AAR kit.

A simple HO kit-- Chesapeake & Ohio class M55 1937 AAR box car. Cars came with Double truss 50-ton spring plank trucks, wood running boards, Ajax handbrakes and pre-war Youngstown 5/6/5 steel doors. Somewhat unique is the Viking roof and Durea underframe. 500 cars built in 10/11-36 with square cornered Dreadnaught ends. C&O 4000-4499
Also 250 cars built 7/8-37 C&O 5000-5249, also with square corner ends

This kit includes:
1 Red Caboose RC 8001 square corner '37 AAR box car undec kit
1 Centralia shops Viking steel roof
2 sets of Intermountain 8-rung ladders
1 pair of Tahoe Model Works Double truss trucks, less wheels
4 axles of Intermountain semi-scale "High Detail" wheel sets (these are the just released code 88wheels with rear wheel facing with prototype profile shape and thicker axles)
The modeler will need to acquire the Durea underframe  and decals elsewhere
Offered at $38, shipping included to the US.

Another simple kit--Southern Pacific class B-50-18, built in 1936 to 1937. Wood running boards, square corner 4/5 EDEs, Ajax hand brakes, Double truss 50-ton spring plankless trucks and Youngstown 5/6/5 pre-war steel doors. 300 cars, SP 33270=33569.
Also, SP class B-50-19, built in 1937. Same features as the -18. 249 cars in SP 38340-38589

These kits include:
1 Red Caboose RC-8001 square corner '37 AAR undec box car kit
1 pair of Tahoe Model Works double truss trucks, less wheels
4 axles of High Detail code 88 semi-scale wheel sets by Intermountain
Offered for $32, shipping included to the US

If interested, contact me off-list (Please) @

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal.
Thanks,  -Andy Carlson



CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Eric Hansmann
 

Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

 

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.

 

Here are the links.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1416.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1417.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1418.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1419.jpg

 

 

Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.

 

Here are those links.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1407.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1408.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1409.jpg

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: UP A-50-4

Fred Jansz
 

Will probably drop one in the future to keep this group satisfied.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: UP A-50-4

Fred Jansz
 

In China they drop a lot too. Was kitbashing two Trix UP B-50-24 cars with Speedwitch underframe, decals and lots of other detail parts. When I took the car bodies out of the brake fluid I was amazed to see the two cars had broken off corners that were glued back to the cars in the factory and coated with paint. The brake fluid had dissolved both paint and the glue. One was hurt so bad (various small pieces of plastic) I had to buy another Trix car on ebay. Dropped it in the brake fluid and guess what? Side sill that was supposed to be under one door was floating in the fluid. Don't know how they handle those cars in the far East but it ain't gentle I can tell you. Both cars came out fine in the end. One was as documented with Apex run board (only 100 cars of the 1900 built), white & yellow (pre 1947) Streamliner/West lettering and the other with a wooden run board and repainted/lettered according to new 1947 all yellow scheme (they were built 1939, so a 1949 repaint could've been the case I guess).
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: UP A-50-4

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim and Friends,

I've yet to drop a resin car. That said, years ago my ex-pushed down too hard on a bookshelf with those aluminum brackets above my On2 apartment layout, and dropped about 60 pounds of big-format railroad books onto the Walking Catfish, my self-propelled railcar. I still have the pieces, but the car was never rebuilt.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

 

Tony

lol - has EVERYONE dropped at least one early Westerfield model? I know
I have - the GN 50 foot single sheathed car. Same story - fractures fit
back together like a piece of broken ceramic. :-)

Tim



Re: UP A-50-4

 

I never did. Al Westerfield



On February 24, 2017, at 12:35 AM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Tony

lol - has EVERYONE dropped at least one early Westerfield model? I know
I have - the GN 50 foot single sheathed car. Same story - fractures fit
back together like a piece of broken ceramic. :-)

Tim




Peter Hall wrote:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can�t seem to locate a photo reference.

    UP made the change from Roman (serif) to Gothic (sans-serif) lettering in June 1939. The lettering was white (except for yellow slogans). It was not until 1947 that all lettering became yellow. So the all-white Gothic is fine for a car repainted anytime from 1939 to 1947.
     This particular model was the second resin car kit I ever built, and though the gray resin was a handful to work with, I loved (and still love) the model. Mine too made a trip to the floor, and the glass-brittleness of that early resin was a blessing. Every piece fit perfectly back together. I reassembled it with CA and you have to look carefully today to find the joins.

Tony Thompson


Re: UP A-50-4

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

lol - has EVERYONE dropped at least one early Westerfield model? I know
I have - the GN 50 foot single sheathed car. Same story - fractures fit
back together like a piece of broken ceramic. :-)

Tim




Peter Hall wrote:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can�t seem to locate a photo reference.

    UP made the change from Roman (serif) to Gothic (sans-serif) lettering in June 1939. The lettering was white (except for yellow slogans). It was not until 1947 that all lettering became yellow. So the all-white Gothic is fine for a car repainted anytime from 1939 to 1947.
     This particular model was the second resin car kit I ever built, and though the gray resin was a handful to work with, I loved (and still love) the model. Mine too made a trip to the floor, and the glass-brittleness of that early resin was a blessing. Every piece fit perfectly back together. I reassembled it with CA and you have to look carefully today to find the joins.

Tony Thompson


Re: Test message 1

Tim O'Connor
 

The photo was not "attached" - it was "embedded". A technical difference,
but it might squeak past the Yahoo filter.

In my Eudora email software, there are sub-directories called "Attach" and
"Embedded". This is handy because "embedded" images can be difficult to view
from inside the Eudora message viewer.

Tim O'Connor




This is a test to see if attached photos are allowed (as a result of the recent msg including a photo of an HO scale UP A-50-4).

[cid:image001.jpg@...]
Regards,

-Jeff
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Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

Richard Townsend
 

I was thinking it looks like they moved the locations of the hatches, and the circles are where the original hatch locations were.
 Why move them? I don't know. Maybe for better loading efficiency?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: UP A-50-4

Tim O'Connor
 

Peter, try Railmodel Journal, October 1989. That's the only article I know
that covers the A-50-4. There might be something in the the UPHS Streamliner
too, but I don't have an index for that publication.

Tim O'Connor

Hello folks, I need a little advice from an expert, please:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85. I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950? Despite my efforts, I can't seem to locate a photo reference.
This nice car once made a trip to the floor and broke into pieces, as you see on the left end, but I was able to put it back together. I guess that's a testimony to the sturdiness of resin kits.

Thanks
Pete






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Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Neither logical or likely.


Why weld an entire matching circle when you only need to preventing denting in the latch area?


Would there really be a concern about denting a fairly thick metal roof? The roof hatch is a stamping (relatively light weight) and its short arc of travel could hardly allow it to built up enough speed to be a concern.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: CM&StP box car broadside

Dennis Storzek
 

A couple things I noticed... 

The A end is damaged, with broken end posts.

The car has a different coupler at each end, both pre-ARA type D. The A end has a strange side operated coupler; to uncouple, you pull the cut lever out perpendicular to the track. The B end has a bottom operated rotary. This seems quite early for bottom operated couplers.

I stopped at the Sergent Engineering web site earlier this week. Frank now has an HO scale Sharon coupler, which would be just perfect for a model of this car. The Sharon is only 3/4 the length of a type D/E, giving cars that used them a close coupled appearance. The Sergent Sharon has the proper rib pattern on the "thumb" side of the knuckle.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Winter TKM is now available

Bruce Smith
 

​Folks,


My apologies!  This is issue #99!  The next issue of TKM will be #100!


Regards

Bruce Smith



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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:30 PM
To: the-keystone-modeler@...; STMFC@...; PRR-Modeling@...; PRRPro@...
Subject: [PRR-Modeling] Winter TKM is now available
 


Folks,

The Winer 2017 issue of the Keystone Modeler, #98, is now available.  See http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
webmaster, PRRT&HS​





Winter TKM is now available

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The Winer 2017 issue of the Keystone Modeler, #98, is now available.  See http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
webmaster, PRRT&HS​


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