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Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

 

This is a wild guess, Pat, but some early reefers were cooled by overhead bins with ice in them. But unless this car had those AND end bunkers, that can’t be it. This one DOES have end bunkers, you can see that from the salt deposits on the ends of the trucks. Those salt deposits are why later reefers had drains that were oriented to drip outward over the side of the trucks and rails, as this caused a lot of damage to rolling stock, track and in particular, bridges.


    As the ARA and then AAR recommended. cars frequently using heavy salt icing, such as meat cars, were supposed to be equipped to RETAIN the brine on board, not drip it all over the right of way. Produce cars weren't so equipped, though the drain chutes COULD be close to keep that brine in the car. DId yard crews or ice deck personnel care? Not a lot.

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Re: Message On Placard Board?

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Initially, the entire exterior of freight cars was wood, so cards could be tacked anywhere. This was damaging to the siding, so the MCB proposed a standard location to tack cards, to be painted black. The stencil reinforced the concept. Someone then came up with the idea to mount a separate replaceable board in that location, to further save the car siding, and the tack board was born, still painted black to comply with the tack cards on the black rectangle standard. Some operators continued to paint tack boards black at least until WWII.


    As Richard Hendrickson enjoyed pointing out, and as is borne out by prototype photos, car clerks were evidently annoyed by the bossy directive to "Tack Cards Here," and many photos show cards (and old staples and tacks) almost everywhere on the car side BUT on that black rectangle. Preferred locations were just left of the door, or over the bolster, and a black rectangle anywhere else was clearly some kind of engineering error.

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Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Patrick Wade
 

Schuyler, thanks for the wild guess. Certainly better than anything I could have come up with. And a new factoid of info that I never knew about.

Pat Wade


On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 8:01 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

This is a wild guess, Pat, but some early reefers were cooled by overhead bins with ice in them. But unless this car had those AND end bunkers, that can’t be it. This one DOES have end bunkers, you can see that from the salt deposits on the ends of the trucks. Those salt deposits are why later reefers had drains that were oriented to drip outward over the side of the trucks and rails, as this caused a lot of damage to rolling stock, track and in particular, bridges.

Schuyler

On the two Fruit Growers reefers, wonder that the little metal fixture over the doors are for? Looks like a porch light fixture, but it can't be that.

Pat Wade

Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17

FGE and GET cars. Last in the list, so scroll down.

What road did G.E.T. stand for?

Schuyler





Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This is a wild guess, Pat, but some early reefers were cooled by overhead bins with ice in them. But unless this car had those AND end bunkers, that can’t be it. This one DOES have end bunkers, you can see that from the salt deposits on the ends of the trucks. Those salt deposits are why later reefers had drains that were oriented to drip outward over the side of the trucks and rails, as this caused a lot of damage to rolling stock, track and in particular, bridges.



Schuyler



On the two Fruit Growers reefers, wonder that the little metal fixture over the doors are for? Looks like a porch light fixture, but it can't be that.



Pat Wade

Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17



FGE and GET cars. Last in the list, so scroll down.



What road did G.E.T. stand for?



Schuyler


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote :

Tack Cards Here

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

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The evolution of the tack board:


Initially, the entire exterior of freight cars was wood, so cards could be tacked anywhere. This was damaging to the siding, so the MCB proposed a standard location to tack cards, to be painted black. The stencil reinforced the concept. Someone then came up with the idea to mount a separate replaceable board in that location, to further save the car siding, and the tack board was born, still painted black to comply with the tack cards on the black rectangle standard. Some operators continued to paint tack boards black at least until WWII.


Dennis Storzek

 


New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted a first look at the new Accurail HO scale 36-foot box car kits on the DesignBuildOp blog. These are a welcome addition for railroads set between 1910 and 1950.

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/03/04/new-accurail-36-foot-box-car-models/

 

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <riverman_vt@...> wrote :

Hi Dennis,

    The Columbia Trust was the governmental agency set up to handle the disposition of the 
USRA built cars until they were accepted and paid for by the railroads. Even cars that had 
been accepted could be found with the "C.T." notation following the road number. Once 
financing arrangements were made, or the cars paid for, it was painted out.

My best, Don Valentine
=================

Thanks, Don.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Douglas Harding
 

Tack Cards Here

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Message On Placard Board?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

On this FGE reefer photo, can anyone make out what is says on the placard board?

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1450.jpg

 

The first word appears to be "Tack".

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


P.S.: Thanks to all of you who are adding to the body of knowledge surrounding the cars in these photos.


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Dennis,

    The Columbia Trust was the governmental agency set up to handle the disposition of the 
USRA built cars until they were accepted and paid for by the railroads. Even cars that had 
been accepted could be found with the "C.T." notation following the road number. Once 
financing arrangements were made, or the cars paid for, it was painted out.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Patrick Wade
 

On the two Fruit Growers reefers, wonder that the little metal fixture over the doors are for? Looks like a porch light fixture, but it can't be that.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17

 

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 

What road did G.E.T. stand for?

 

Schuyler

 



Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Were these cars that weren't assigned yet, or the cars that the asignee refused?

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    Yes.

Tony Thompson            
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So, what was the Columbia Trust (mark C.T.) ?

Dennis Storzek





Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 34

Ed Hawkins
 

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Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Were these cars that weren't assigned yet, or the cars that the asignee refused?


    Yes.

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MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Allan Smith
 

Thank you Ed for compiling the tables for the 40' boxcars. What a wealth of information!! Has anyone compiled the same type of information on the 40' automobile boxcars? I have conductors lists for the Sierra RR in 1952-54 with over 1800 freight cars, and about 300 of them are 40' boxcars with double doors, some with end doors. I have reviewed all the magazine articles, ORERs, and anything else I can find about these cars but have never found a comprehensive list like the 40' boxcar tables. I still have about 100 cars that I haven't found info on, any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 What road did G.E.T. stand for?


  Government Equipment Trust, during USRA.
==================

Were these cars that weren't assigned yet, or the cars that the asignee refused?

Dennis Storzek



Re: FGE 25339 - NPS photos + GET 35895

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rbrennan@...> wrote :

...and introducing newish GET 35895, steel 2-bay hopper, PSC-built 10-19...
with a 'Bad Order' card and chalk marks for 'Brake Shop"
X1452--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1452.jpg

X1453--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1453.jpg
=====================

Proof positive that the Enterprise Type D hopper ratchet mechanisms only go on one side of a USRA hopper.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Tony Thompson
 

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 What road did G.E.T. stand for?


  Government Equipment Trust, during USRA.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Four more 1920 freight car photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17

 

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 

What road did G.E.T. stand for?

 

Schuyler

 


Re: FGE 25339 - NPS photos + GET 35895

Richard Brennan
 

All continuing the freight car photo series on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight;

More shots of FGE 25339 - built 1-13...
X1449--Rolling Stock--Fruit Growers Express car no. 25339--3/4 view [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1449.jpg
The white residue (salt?) mentioned previously is very apparent...

X1450--Rolling Stock--Fruit Growers Express car no. 25339--3/4 view [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1450.jpg

...and introducing newish GET 35895, steel 2-bay hopper, PSC-built 10-19...
with a 'Bad Order' card and chalk marks for 'Brake Shop"
X1452--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1452.jpg

X1453--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1453.jpg


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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