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Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This is a wild guess, Pat, but some early reefers were cooled by overhead bins with ice in them. But unless this car had those AND end bunkers, that can’t be it. This one DOES have end bunkers, you can see that from the salt deposits on the ends of the trucks. Those salt deposits are why later reefers had drains that were oriented to drip outward over the side of the trucks and rails, as this caused a lot of damage to rolling stock, track and in particular, bridges.



Schuyler



On the two Fruit Growers reefers, wonder that the little metal fixture over the doors are for? Looks like a porch light fixture, but it can't be that.



Pat Wade

Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17



FGE and GET cars. Last in the list, so scroll down.



What road did G.E.T. stand for?



Schuyler


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Dennis Storzek
 




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Tack Cards Here

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

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The evolution of the tack board:


Initially, the entire exterior of freight cars was wood, so cards could be tacked anywhere. This was damaging to the siding, so the MCB proposed a standard location to tack cards, to be painted black. The stencil reinforced the concept. Someone then came up with the idea to mount a separate replaceable board in that location, to further save the car siding, and the tack board was born, still painted black to comply with the tack cards on the black rectangle standard. Some operators continued to paint tack boards black at least until WWII.


Dennis Storzek

 


New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted a first look at the new Accurail HO scale 36-foot box car kits on the DesignBuildOp blog. These are a welcome addition for railroads set between 1910 and 1950.

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/03/04/new-accurail-36-foot-box-car-models/

 

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <riverman_vt@...> wrote :

Hi Dennis,

    The Columbia Trust was the governmental agency set up to handle the disposition of the 
USRA built cars until they were accepted and paid for by the railroads. Even cars that had 
been accepted could be found with the "C.T." notation following the road number. Once 
financing arrangements were made, or the cars paid for, it was painted out.

My best, Don Valentine
=================

Thanks, Don.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Douglas Harding
 

Tack Cards Here

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Message On Placard Board?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

On this FGE reefer photo, can anyone make out what is says on the placard board?

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1450.jpg

 

The first word appears to be "Tack".

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


P.S.: Thanks to all of you who are adding to the body of knowledge surrounding the cars in these photos.


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Dennis,

    The Columbia Trust was the governmental agency set up to handle the disposition of the 
USRA built cars until they were accepted and paid for by the railroads. Even cars that had 
been accepted could be found with the "C.T." notation following the road number. Once 
financing arrangements were made, or the cars paid for, it was painted out.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Patrick Wade
 

On the two Fruit Growers reefers, wonder that the little metal fixture over the doors are for? Looks like a porch light fixture, but it can't be that.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17

 

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 

What road did G.E.T. stand for?

 

Schuyler

 



Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Were these cars that weren't assigned yet, or the cars that the asignee refused?

=================
    Yes.

Tony Thompson            
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So, what was the Columbia Trust (mark C.T.) ?

Dennis Storzek





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Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Were these cars that weren't assigned yet, or the cars that the asignee refused?


    Yes.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Allan Smith
 

Thank you Ed for compiling the tables for the 40' boxcars. What a wealth of information!! Has anyone compiled the same type of information on the 40' automobile boxcars? I have conductors lists for the Sierra RR in 1952-54 with over 1800 freight cars, and about 300 of them are 40' boxcars with double doors, some with end doors. I have reviewed all the magazine articles, ORERs, and anything else I can find about these cars but have never found a comprehensive list like the 40' boxcar tables. I still have about 100 cars that I haven't found info on, any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 What road did G.E.T. stand for?


  Government Equipment Trust, during USRA.
==================

Were these cars that weren't assigned yet, or the cars that the asignee refused?

Dennis Storzek



Re: FGE 25339 - NPS photos + GET 35895

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rbrennan@...> wrote :

...and introducing newish GET 35895, steel 2-bay hopper, PSC-built 10-19...
with a 'Bad Order' card and chalk marks for 'Brake Shop"
X1452--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1452.jpg

X1453--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1453.jpg
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Proof positive that the Enterprise Type D hopper ratchet mechanisms only go on one side of a USRA hopper.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Tony Thompson
 

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 What road did G.E.T. stand for?


  Government Equipment Trust, during USRA.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Four more 1920 freight car photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17

 

FGE and GET cars.  Last in the list, so scroll down.

 

What road did G.E.T. stand for?

 

Schuyler

 


Re: FGE 25339 - NPS photos + GET 35895

Richard Brennan
 

All continuing the freight car photo series on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight;

More shots of FGE 25339 - built 1-13...
X1449--Rolling Stock--Fruit Growers Express car no. 25339--3/4 view [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1449.jpg
The white residue (salt?) mentioned previously is very apparent...

X1450--Rolling Stock--Fruit Growers Express car no. 25339--3/4 view [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1450.jpg

...and introducing newish GET 35895, steel 2-bay hopper, PSC-built 10-19...
with a 'Bad Order' card and chalk marks for 'Brake Shop"
X1452--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1452.jpg

X1453--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1453.jpg


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: MKT 97001-97300 Boxcars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Ed, Tim, & Group,

Thanks for the information regarding the original paint color being MKT Standard Red, and also for the Branchlike kit number for the 97301-97600 series box cars. Will have to keep an eye out for the #1420 kit. Looks like there will be two MKT box cars in my future. 

Cheers,
— Bill


On Mar 3, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Bill

If you don't want to wait for Yarmouth resin kits, you can use the
Branchline ends which are pretty darn close!

Branchline kit #1420 was an MKT 40 foot box car with 6 foot doors and
these ends for the MKT 97301-97600 series. This model is EXACTLY right,
with the correct sides (10p riveted), doors (Youngstown), ends (ACF
carbuilder), and roof (SRE diagonal panel).

Tim O'



Thank you for the education. Much appreciated. 

I am also planning on attempting to model a couple of cars of this class. Do you have any suggestions for modeling the correct ends?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


From the ground, I think it may be hard to see the difference between the
"Stanray" (SRE) rectangular panel roof and the ACF "carbuilder" roof. Both
have stamped rectangles in each panel but the ACF has a secondary stamping
in the middle of the panels.

That photo is a Jim Sands shot from 1966.

Tim O'Connor

 
I am not sure if this image will be of much help in answering your questions… but wortth a shot…
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mkt/mkt97193ajs.jpg

To my very untrained eyeballs it appears that the car has a raised panel roof. Maybe. Hard to tell from this view.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



Re: FGE 25339 - NPS photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rbrennan@...> wrote :


http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1448.jpg
...with a large supporting cast of cars in the background.

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Also note the roof... like the car the other day, this car has roof sheathing with the milled "gutters" and has been patched with more current flat stock, likely T&G. If you look carefully at the near corner, you can see that each board has three full grooves; the outer grooves are not at the edge, and the grooves are half rounds that are bigger than the typical V groove. The three groove pattern is at variance with published drawings showing only two, but it appears that there was never any industry-wide standard for this material.

Also note that while this pattern was developed for use in two layers, only one shows in this photo. Due to the boxy eaves (the end view show the side fascia sets out further from the car side than the apparent thickness of the board) I am of the opinion that this car has an "inside metal roof", metal panels fitted between the carlines arranged to drain over the car sides, but behind the fascia. The milled roof sheathing serves the same purpose it did on a double board roof, to divert most of the water away from the joints so the inner metal roof only has to keep a small amount off the load.

Dennis Storzek


Re: PM XA 60123

Ray Breyer
 

Hi guys,

It's a Mather car; they did have a very few auto boxcars in their inventory. In fact, they may have only had 500 of these 36-footers: it looks like the Wabash had 500 of them in 1910, in the 19000-19499 series. They then drop off the Wabash roster and PM 60000-60299 show up. I've found this shot of the PM car and a series of five shots of Wabash 19290 taken in 1910, and the cars look identical.

The car itself is a typical all-wood Mather boxcar. Most of their circa 1895-1915 cars were built to this general standard: see the photo of Evansville & Indianapolis 6000 in Al Westerfield's ACF collection (lot 8272, built 11/1916), or the Library of Congress' photos of the SS Detroit car ferry for similar contemporary Mather stock cars.

(Mather also had some 40-foot, all-wood, "outside braced" auto boxcars built like this (yes, in this specific context, this is the correct terminology!): MC 15800-15999 and 950009-5199, and Wabash 19500-19749)
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: PM XA 60123



The ORERs say how long the cars were: 36-ft long. Most likely for Buick City in Flint.  Ford and others demanded larger cars with wider side doors.  Taller 40-ft cars were already becoming the norm for the industry.

Al Kresse
On March 3, 2017 at 8:03 PM "Howard R Garner cascaderail@... [STMFC]" wrote:

 
> I've been mining the Steamtown scans for freight car images, and I came across this view showing Pere Marquette auto
> box car 60123, apparently an example of a wood framed, single sheathed box car design:
>
> http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-10-14/C4743.jpg

They did not stick around very long.
Not in the Feb 1913 ORER
Jan 1915 (my next) they are there. series 60000-60299 36' 2272 cu ft,
60000cpy 186 cars
Still there Nov 1917
but gone by Oct 1919

Howard Garner

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