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Re: Tack Board Or Placard Board?

frograbbit602
 

Bob all Car Builders Cyc. I have list only the term placard boards.  The term "tack board" is I believe is railroad employee slang.   Yesterday at the Railroad Modelers Retreat I was displaying prototype resin models.  One modeler came to my display to discuss a future project during which he asked, "Are we going to use roofwalk or running board?"  A retired railroad employee at the display stated when I began on the railroad on my first day I was asked to preform a task on the roof walk? Roof walk?  You mean running board to which came the reply, " That is a roof walk, if you want to see and step on a running board you can go to the parking lot and check out the ones on the side of my truck."   So, I believe as has been discussed here before, we have many cases of the Car Builders Cyc. proving us the proper term for which the railroad employee had their term.
Lester Breuer


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

It reads "Tack Cards Here".
 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA


On Saturday, March 4, 2017 6:29 PM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
On this FGE reefer photo, can anyone make out what is says on the placard board?
 
 
The first word appears to be "Tack".
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

P.S.: Thanks to all of you who are adding to the body of knowledge surrounding the cars in these photos.



Four GET hopper DETAILED views

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Re: Tack Board Or Placard Board?

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

I've always heard them called "Tack Boards". There are many
examples of terms used "on the ground" (i.e. by the crews) that
were not used in official documents. At times it seems silly
and even perhaps "perverse" ... not sure who were the ones
being perverse (crews or "management"?). Just a disconnect
or perhaps a small 'rebellion' - you be the judge.

****

Can anyone enlighten me on why they were often placed well
above the reach of someone standing on the ground?

I will guess and say "because they were used by guys standing
on a platform or hanging off a ladder" ... but that begs the question
regarding the tack boards on the ends of the car ... as in they seem
to have gone out of the way to place them on the other side of the
car from the ladder. What's up with that? Was it really possible
to stand on the corner drop step and -put up- a routing card (there
don't seem to be grabs on the ends near them)?
Also relative to the tack boards on the ends - why not on both
sides of the car (which ever one was easiest to reach from a
platform)? Or were the ones on the ends of the cars only on
one end (the one easiest to reach from the platform)?
Were the tack boards on the ends only on the end with the
brake gear?

Other than routing information I've never heard of any other
type of info on those cards/boards ... but I also know that the
crews on some RRs (in some locations) would just use chalk
to mark a car for routing/sorting/spotting ... same basic info
as was on the tack card?

I am guessing/assuming that these cards were filled out or
printed up "in the office" and then a car clerk placed them.
- Jim B.


GET 35895 - four more NPS photos

Richard Brennan
 

All continuing the GET hopper photos on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight;

More shots of GET 35895 - a Government Equipment Trust USRA hopper ...
with a Columbia Trust Company owner plate.
These are amazingly clear shots of less-photographed aspects of the car...

X1454--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--End [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-05-17/X1454.jpg

X1455--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--End [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-05-17/X1455.jpg

X1456--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--View of truck [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-05-17/X1456.jpg

X1457--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--View of coupler [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-05-17/X1457.jpg


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 34

Nelson Moyer
 

Ed,

I think you fat fingered your post office box in the announcement below. I' m assuming you're box number is still 451. I'll mail a check tomorrow.

Nelson Moyer

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Re: New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the tip, Bill. I have several of these Tichy retainer valves with the wire already installed and ready to mount on the model. I'll check on the PSC part for upcoming upgrades!


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On March 5, 2017 at 6:15 AM "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Really appreciate seeing this "First Look" Eric. I suggest using the Precision Scale Retainer Valve part #PSC31796 instead of the Tichy part. They come four to a packet and they are very fine jewel like replicas of the real thing.

Bill Welch



Re: New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Bill Welch
 

Really appreciate seeing this "First Look" Eric. I suggest using the Precision Scale Retainer Valve part #PSC31796 instead of the Tichy part. They come four to a packet and they are very fine jewel like replicas of the real thing.

Bill Welch


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dennis,

The WP continued to paint their tackboards black almost up until the end. Example: a number of house cars were rebuilt in 1979 with experimental color schemes. All included black tack boards. Some repainted cars did have FCR tack boards by then, but, Hey!, this was the WP, and few things were entirely consistent.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/4/17 10:34 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] wrote:
 




---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Tack Cards Here

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

================


The evolution of the tack board:


Initially, the entire exterior of freight cars was wood, so cards could be tacked anywhere. This was damaging to the siding, so the MCB proposed a standard location to tack cards, to be painted black. The stencil reinforced the concept. Someone then came up with the idea to mount a separate replaceable board in that location, to further save the car siding, and the tack board was born, still painted black to comply with the tack cards on the black rectangle standard. Some operators continued to paint tack boards black at least until WWII.


Dennis Storzek

 



Tack Board Or Placard Board?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Tack Board Or Placard Board?

 

What some labeled a tack board is identified as a placard board in the Code of Federal Regulations and even in one of Tony T's blogs (with a photo):

 

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/11/chalk-marks-and-route-cards.html

 

So which is it or are the terms interchangeable or has the term change over time?


Unfortunately, I do not have a Carbuilder's reference to check.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

 

This is a wild guess, Pat, but some early reefers were cooled by overhead bins with ice in them. But unless this car had those AND end bunkers, that can’t be it. This one DOES have end bunkers, you can see that from the salt deposits on the ends of the trucks. Those salt deposits are why later reefers had drains that were oriented to drip outward over the side of the trucks and rails, as this caused a lot of damage to rolling stock, track and in particular, bridges.


    As the ARA and then AAR recommended. cars frequently using heavy salt icing, such as meat cars, were supposed to be equipped to RETAIN the brine on board, not drip it all over the right of way. Produce cars weren't so equipped, though the drain chutes COULD be close to keep that brine in the car. DId yard crews or ice deck personnel care? Not a lot.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: Message On Placard Board?

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Initially, the entire exterior of freight cars was wood, so cards could be tacked anywhere. This was damaging to the siding, so the MCB proposed a standard location to tack cards, to be painted black. The stencil reinforced the concept. Someone then came up with the idea to mount a separate replaceable board in that location, to further save the car siding, and the tack board was born, still painted black to comply with the tack cards on the black rectangle standard. Some operators continued to paint tack boards black at least until WWII.


    As Richard Hendrickson enjoyed pointing out, and as is borne out by prototype photos, car clerks were evidently annoyed by the bossy directive to "Tack Cards Here," and many photos show cards (and old staples and tacks) almost everywhere on the car side BUT on that black rectangle. Preferred locations were just left of the door, or over the bolster, and a black rectangle anywhere else was clearly some kind of engineering error.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Patrick Wade
 

Schuyler, thanks for the wild guess. Certainly better than anything I could have come up with. And a new factoid of info that I never knew about.

Pat Wade


On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 8:01 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

This is a wild guess, Pat, but some early reefers were cooled by overhead bins with ice in them. But unless this car had those AND end bunkers, that can’t be it. This one DOES have end bunkers, you can see that from the salt deposits on the ends of the trucks. Those salt deposits are why later reefers had drains that were oriented to drip outward over the side of the trucks and rails, as this caused a lot of damage to rolling stock, track and in particular, bridges.

Schuyler

On the two Fruit Growers reefers, wonder that the little metal fixture over the doors are for? Looks like a porch light fixture, but it can't be that.

Pat Wade

Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17

FGE and GET cars. Last in the list, so scroll down.

What road did G.E.T. stand for?

Schuyler





Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This is a wild guess, Pat, but some early reefers were cooled by overhead bins with ice in them. But unless this car had those AND end bunkers, that can’t be it. This one DOES have end bunkers, you can see that from the salt deposits on the ends of the trucks. Those salt deposits are why later reefers had drains that were oriented to drip outward over the side of the trucks and rails, as this caused a lot of damage to rolling stock, track and in particular, bridges.



Schuyler



On the two Fruit Growers reefers, wonder that the little metal fixture over the doors are for? Looks like a porch light fixture, but it can't be that.



Pat Wade

Santa Barbara, CA

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:12 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-04-17



FGE and GET cars. Last in the list, so scroll down.



What road did G.E.T. stand for?



Schuyler


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote :

Tack Cards Here

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

================


The evolution of the tack board:


Initially, the entire exterior of freight cars was wood, so cards could be tacked anywhere. This was damaging to the siding, so the MCB proposed a standard location to tack cards, to be painted black. The stencil reinforced the concept. Someone then came up with the idea to mount a separate replaceable board in that location, to further save the car siding, and the tack board was born, still painted black to comply with the tack cards on the black rectangle standard. Some operators continued to paint tack boards black at least until WWII.


Dennis Storzek

 


New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted a first look at the new Accurail HO scale 36-foot box car kits on the DesignBuildOp blog. These are a welcome addition for railroads set between 1910 and 1950.

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/03/04/new-accurail-36-foot-box-car-models/

 

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <riverman_vt@...> wrote :

Hi Dennis,

    The Columbia Trust was the governmental agency set up to handle the disposition of the 
USRA built cars until they were accepted and paid for by the railroads. Even cars that had 
been accepted could be found with the "C.T." notation following the road number. Once 
financing arrangements were made, or the cars paid for, it was painted out.

My best, Don Valentine
=================

Thanks, Don.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Message On Placard Board?

Douglas Harding
 

Tack Cards Here

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Message On Placard Board?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

On this FGE reefer photo, can anyone make out what is says on the placard board?

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1450.jpg

 

The first word appears to be "Tack".

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


P.S.: Thanks to all of you who are adding to the body of knowledge surrounding the cars in these photos.


Re: Four more 1920 freight car photos

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Dennis,

    The Columbia Trust was the governmental agency set up to handle the disposition of the 
USRA built cars until they were accepted and paid for by the railroads. Even cars that had 
been accepted could be found with the "C.T." notation following the road number. Once 
financing arrangements were made, or the cars paid for, it was painted out.

My best, Don Valentine