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Sand Loads in HO?

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

frograbbit602
 

Jon one mail order place for Vallejo Model Air or Model Color is MicroMark.
Lester Breuer


Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Brad,

 

The best I can do is offer an approximation based upon ORER listings.

 

 

Erie 67025-67084 - Double deck - not listed in the October 1926 ORER but 60 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

Erie 67575-67699 - Single deck – not listed in the October 1926 ORER but 47 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

I do not have resources for a point between 1926 and 1943.

 

 

DL&W 50200-50249 - single deck – 48 cars are listed in the October 1926 ORER and 47 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

The May 1925 ORER does not list these DL&W stock cars.

 

I hope that helps a bit.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Erie & DL&w stockcars

 



Eric,

 

 

Erie

 

Single deck:  67575-67699

 

Double deck:  67025-67084

 

DL&w 

50200-50249 single deck

 

Thank you,

Brad Andonian 

On Monday, March 6, 2017, 7:53 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

 

Thank you,

 



Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Ken Adams
 

Jon

I found Vallejo both Air and Model Color at a Hobby Lobby. Limited selection but basic colors. Check their hours as they may not be open on Sundays. I use the Vallejo Model Color when not going to all the trouble to set up an airbrush paint station (I live in a townhouse so not able to have a permanent in house air brush setup.) Model Color goes on very smooth with a good brush. Looking for the right match for SP Daylight Orange to use for touch up when I cannot set up for Star Brand spraying. 

Another store was Game Kastle which caters to the war game set but mostly in the South Bay.

Ken Adams
WC CA



Re: "Vehicle" Car

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rwitt_2000@...> wrote :

According to the book PM Revenue Freight Cars by Million and Paton this series, 42650-43149, was listed as "Vehicle" wood and were built for automobile service. The builders photo on page 28 shows a car stenciled with "Vehicle". Apparently they didn't necessarily have larger doors when built, but the authors state that they were 17" taller than other box cars in their fleet. There are roster notes stating that by 1908 25 cars had full size end doors and by 1911 48 cars were so equipped. Later by 1931, after the date of the photo, some cars were rebuilt with staggered double-doors.

============================

At the time those cars were built, it is just as likely they would be carrying parts for carriages as automobiles. Both tend to be odd shapes that don't pack tightly in a boxcar, thus the oversize cars. Some railroads included furniture in the mix, and marked their cars VEHICLE AND FURNITURE. As the carriage trade disappeared, the ARA adopted AUTOMOBILE as the standard marking for an oversize boxcar.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Brad Andonian
 

Eric,


Erie

Single deck:  67575-67699

Double deck:  67025-67084

DL&w 
50200-50249 single deck

Thank you,
Brad Andonian 

On Monday, March 6, 2017, 7:53 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

Thank you,



More NPS photos: PRR 411797 and GET 35895

Richard Brennan
 

More car photos today on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight;

Today:
PRR 411797 ...a well-worn H21A 4-bay Coke car... built in March 1912
X1459--Rolling Stock--Pennsylvania Railroad Coke Hopper no. 411797--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1459.jpg

X1460--Rolling Stock--Pennsylvania Railroad Coke Hopper no. 411797--End [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1460.jpg

X1461--Rolling Stock--Pennsylvania Railroad Coke Hopper no. 411797--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1461.jpg

...plus a last look at GET 35895 - the Government Equipment Trust USRA hopper.
X1458--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--View of coupler [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1458.jpg
The small brake cylinder and truck bearing info stenciling is clearly visible...


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

Thank you,



Erie & DL&w stockcars

Brad Andonian
 

I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

Thank you,


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Eric Hansmann
 

I've bought several different Vallejo paint colors through a little joint called Amazon.

Micro-Mark also offers many of the Model Air colors and they relabeled them to reflect Floquil and Polly-S colors. I bought several of those and was disappointed in the labeling. But an inexpensive color wheel helped me understand some basics and I typically add drops of other color to achieve my end results. For instance, my go-to mineral brown starts with a Burnt Umber and I add 10 drops of aged white to lighten the color. I covered some of this mixing in a recent blog post on car painting.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/02/18/fresh-paint/



Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 6, 2017 at 8:13 AM "Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



On 3/6/2017 7:03 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
 It is mostly used by military modelers, so check out the local shops that cater to that crowd

    A couple of good train shops withing 50 miles of me but no military that I know of.  Any mail order folks you know of?  I assume because of formula shipping is not a problem.  Also a site that shows colors/sizes/costs?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Bill Welch
 

Just Google "Vallejo" and you will see their website plus numerous venders.

Bill Welch


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Nelson Moyer
 

Very nice build, Eric. That car has so much character, that I really wanted to get one until I checked the 1953 ORER and found that only eighty-two 36’ stock cars are listed for UP, one 35576, one 36357, and eighty 36752-38149. You didn’t give the series range for your car, but it probably fits in somewhere with the onesies, and not the eighties, meaning that I can’t justify one on my roster. That’s the down side of prototype modeling, i.e. it requires self-discipline and restraint.

By contrast, the CB&Q had 2699 37’ stock cars in 1953, so if you want to model stock trains of that era, it’s a good prototype, and even if you don’t model the CB&Q, it’s highly likely that at least one SM-16 or SM-18 would show up in your trains from time to time. The Q leased Mather stock cars, so while the Sunshine kits are no more, the P2K Mather cars lettered for CB&Q could be used for the occasional off road stock car.

Nelson Moyer

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The latest Westerfield kit is featured on the Resin Car Works blog. Check out the build summary on a classic S-40-1 stock car.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/westerfield-s-40-1-stock-car/







Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: "Vehicle" Car

Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Thanks, Al Kresse

On March 5, 2017 at 11:28 PM "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

According to the book PM Revenue Freight Cars by Million and Paton this series, 42650-43149, was listed as "Vehicle" wood and were built for automobile service. The builders photo on page 28 shows a car stenciled with "Vehicle". Apparently they didn't necessarily have larger doors when built, but the authors state that they were 17" taller than other box cars in their fleet. There are roster notes stating that by 1908 25 cars had full size end doors and by 1911 48 cars were so equipped. Later by 1931, after the date of the photo, some cars were rebuilt with staggered double-doors.

The car in the photo #42794 doesn't appear to have end doors, but it does have a lumber door.

Regards,

Bob Witt


 


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/6/2017 7:03 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
 It is mostly used by military modelers, so check out the local shops that cater to that crowd

    A couple of good train shops withing 50 miles of me but no military that I know of.  Any mail order folks you know of?  I assume because of formula shipping is not a problem.  Also a site that shows colors/sizes/costs?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Bruce Smith
 

Jon,

Vallejo? It’s been around for years (since 1965).  It is mostly used by military modelers, so check out the local shops that cater to that crowd, like my local USA Hobbies.  I used the older non “air” formulation which requires massive thinning for airbrushing. It, and Model Master are the only hobby supplies available within 100 miles of me!  Vallejo is also making a very interesting line of weathering products.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Mar 6, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



On 3/6/2017 6:23 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
on the Resin Car Works blog

    Interesting new (?) name in paint.  Apparently not available on the west coast.  Mail order?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS




Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/6/2017 6:23 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
on the Resin Car Works blog

    Interesting new (?) name in paint.  Apparently not available on the west coast.  Mail order?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Eric Hansmann
 

The latest Westerfield kit is featured on the Resin Car Works blog. Check out the build summary on a classic S-40-1 stock car.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/westerfield-s-40-1-stock-car/




Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Bernhard Schroeter
 

I'm looking forward for different paint schemas of these cars! However one is an absolute need, the ladder steps and handholds are to remove and must be replaced by such made from wire!
Here a picture where I did same on 40ft models - http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/1930er-modelle/ab-brake_10ks.jpg

 

Bernhard - http://us-modelsof1900.de





Re: GET 35895 - four more NPS photos

rwitt_2000
 

Here's the 3/4 view of G.E.T. 35895.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1452.jpg

According to Lane's article on the USRA fleet in Railroad History No. 128 these cars from series GET 35812-35999 were renumbered in 1920 to D&TSL 1000-1185, [The Detroit and Toledo Shore Line].

Bob Witt


Re: "Vehicle" Car

rwitt_2000
 

According to the book PM Revenue Freight Cars by Million and Paton this series, 42650-43149, was listed as "Vehicle" wood and were built for automobile service. The builders photo on page 28 shows a car stenciled with "Vehicle". Apparently they didn't necessarily have larger doors when built, but the authors state that they were 17" taller than other box cars in their fleet. There are roster notes stating that by 1908 25 cars had full size end doors and by 1911 48 cars were so equipped. Later by 1931, after the date of the photo, some cars were rebuilt with staggered double-doors.

The car in the photo #42794 doesn't appear to have end doors, but it does have a lumber door.

Regards,

Bob Witt

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