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Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Peter Hall
 

Another product you might consider is Sanded Grout.  It’s very fine, and comes in several useful colors.

Thanks
Pete




On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I have used diatomaceous earth, which you can get cheaply from many hardware stores and pet stores.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 
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From: jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:12 am
Subject: [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?

 
Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.



Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Richard Townsend
 

I have used diatomaceous earth, which you can get cheaply from many hardware stores and pet stores.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:12 am
Subject: [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?

 
Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Tim O'Connor
 


A friend of mine collected extremely fine sand dust from a rock cut
off Interstate 495 where it would blow and collect there. There is real
sand everywhere, and it makes excellent scale sand loads! (He did the
same with iron oxide flakes in a junk yard - fabulous for scrap loads.)

But, yeah, I agree with Elden if you can find AR&M products, they are very
very good. He sells grades from chickpea sizes down to pigment-grade dust.

Tim O'Connor



Jim

Arizona Rock & Mineral (and others) has many grades and colors of sand.  I have used same for loads, loco sand on my ready tracks, and at the sandhouse.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

frograbbit602
 

Jim I am using any sand I like after sifting it in screen and then strainers obtained at the local food tools store.  The final size is obtained using a tea strainer.  I have collected sand of various colors from many sites over the years when railfanning.   I believe you want white sand for the sand tower.
Sand, white in color, used for casting at foundries is great if you can get it.   I like it especially for loads  at the railroad yard sand house.  The specific sand I believe you are looking for.   I went to a local foundry and obtained it at no charge.  My new favorite is frac sand which I believe will also work well for your needs.  It white in color and really fine and I have obtained it at various loading facilities.  No strainers needed to obtain useable size, only to get dabree out if needed.

Whatever the sand, it is glued with water diluted white glue to foam formed removable loads fitting the car the load goes into.

Hope this helps.
Lester Breuer



---In STMFC@..., <jimbetz@...> wrote :

Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

I’ve seen several suggestions:

1) baking soda - a chemical, not a food product
2) decomposed sandstone
3) sifted sand (so you get only the finest particles)
4) fine grit blasting media - AlO2  (this one scares me because this stuff is bad to breathe, so I would consider this only as a last resort, wear protective gear and make sure it was completely glued down
5) diatomaceous earth (this stuff has the same issues as AlO2 grit blasting media)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:12 PM, jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi all,

  What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola?  I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
  I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

  The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak.  That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes.  And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

  This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower.  It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Sand Loads in HO?

Jim Betz
 

Elden,

  Thanks ... I'll check it out.              - Jim B.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Sand Loads in HO?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

Arizona Rock & Mineral (and others) has many grades and colors of sand. I have used same for loads, loco sand on my ready tracks, and at the sandhouse.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 2:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?



Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Sand Loads in HO?

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

frograbbit602
 

Jon one mail order place for Vallejo Model Air or Model Color is MicroMark.
Lester Breuer


Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Brad,

 

The best I can do is offer an approximation based upon ORER listings.

 

 

Erie 67025-67084 - Double deck - not listed in the October 1926 ORER but 60 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

Erie 67575-67699 - Single deck – not listed in the October 1926 ORER but 47 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

I do not have resources for a point between 1926 and 1943.

 

 

DL&W 50200-50249 - single deck – 48 cars are listed in the October 1926 ORER and 47 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

The May 1925 ORER does not list these DL&W stock cars.

 

I hope that helps a bit.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 10:04 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Erie & DL&w stockcars

 



Eric,

 

 

Erie

 

Single deck:  67575-67699

 

Double deck:  67025-67084

 

DL&w 

50200-50249 single deck

 

Thank you,

Brad Andonian 

On Monday, March 6, 2017, 7:53 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

 

Thank you,

 



Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Ken Adams
 

Jon

I found Vallejo both Air and Model Color at a Hobby Lobby. Limited selection but basic colors. Check their hours as they may not be open on Sundays. I use the Vallejo Model Color when not going to all the trouble to set up an airbrush paint station (I live in a townhouse so not able to have a permanent in house air brush setup.) Model Color goes on very smooth with a good brush. Looking for the right match for SP Daylight Orange to use for touch up when I cannot set up for Star Brand spraying. 

Another store was Game Kastle which caters to the war game set but mostly in the South Bay.

Ken Adams
WC CA



Re: "Vehicle" Car

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rwitt_2000@...> wrote :

According to the book PM Revenue Freight Cars by Million and Paton this series, 42650-43149, was listed as "Vehicle" wood and were built for automobile service. The builders photo on page 28 shows a car stenciled with "Vehicle". Apparently they didn't necessarily have larger doors when built, but the authors state that they were 17" taller than other box cars in their fleet. There are roster notes stating that by 1908 25 cars had full size end doors and by 1911 48 cars were so equipped. Later by 1931, after the date of the photo, some cars were rebuilt with staggered double-doors.

============================

At the time those cars were built, it is just as likely they would be carrying parts for carriages as automobiles. Both tend to be odd shapes that don't pack tightly in a boxcar, thus the oversize cars. Some railroads included furniture in the mix, and marked their cars VEHICLE AND FURNITURE. As the carriage trade disappeared, the ARA adopted AUTOMOBILE as the standard marking for an oversize boxcar.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Brad Andonian
 

Eric,


Erie

Single deck:  67575-67699

Double deck:  67025-67084

DL&w 
50200-50249 single deck

Thank you,
Brad Andonian 

On Monday, March 6, 2017, 7:53 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

Thank you,



More NPS photos: PRR 411797 and GET 35895

Richard Brennan
 

More car photos today on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight;

Today:
PRR 411797 ...a well-worn H21A 4-bay Coke car... built in March 1912
X1459--Rolling Stock--Pennsylvania Railroad Coke Hopper no. 411797--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1459.jpg

X1460--Rolling Stock--Pennsylvania Railroad Coke Hopper no. 411797--End [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1460.jpg

X1461--Rolling Stock--Pennsylvania Railroad Coke Hopper no. 411797--Side [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1461.jpg

...plus a last look at GET 35895 - the Government Equipment Trust USRA hopper.
X1458--Rolling Stock--G.E.T. Hopper car no. 35895--View of coupler [1919-1920]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-06-17/X1458.jpg
The small brake cylinder and truck bearing info stenciling is clearly visible...


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

Thank you,



Erie & DL&w stockcars

Brad Andonian
 

I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

Thank you,


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Eric Hansmann
 

I've bought several different Vallejo paint colors through a little joint called Amazon.

Micro-Mark also offers many of the Model Air colors and they relabeled them to reflect Floquil and Polly-S colors. I bought several of those and was disappointed in the labeling. But an inexpensive color wheel helped me understand some basics and I typically add drops of other color to achieve my end results. For instance, my go-to mineral brown starts with a Burnt Umber and I add 10 drops of aged white to lighten the color. I covered some of this mixing in a recent blog post on car painting.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/02/18/fresh-paint/



Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 6, 2017 at 8:13 AM "Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



On 3/6/2017 7:03 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
 It is mostly used by military modelers, so check out the local shops that cater to that crowd

    A couple of good train shops withing 50 miles of me but no military that I know of.  Any mail order folks you know of?  I assume because of formula shipping is not a problem.  Also a site that shows colors/sizes/costs?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Bill Welch
 

Just Google "Vallejo" and you will see their website plus numerous venders.

Bill Welch


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Nelson Moyer
 

Very nice build, Eric. That car has so much character, that I really wanted to get one until I checked the 1953 ORER and found that only eighty-two 36’ stock cars are listed for UP, one 35576, one 36357, and eighty 36752-38149. You didn’t give the series range for your car, but it probably fits in somewhere with the onesies, and not the eighties, meaning that I can’t justify one on my roster. That’s the down side of prototype modeling, i.e. it requires self-discipline and restraint.

By contrast, the CB&Q had 2699 37’ stock cars in 1953, so if you want to model stock trains of that era, it’s a good prototype, and even if you don’t model the CB&Q, it’s highly likely that at least one SM-16 or SM-18 would show up in your trains from time to time. The Q leased Mather stock cars, so while the Sunshine kits are no more, the P2K Mather cars lettered for CB&Q could be used for the occasional off road stock car.

Nelson Moyer

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Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield S-40-1 stock car



The latest Westerfield kit is featured on the Resin Car Works blog. Check out the build summary on a classic S-40-1 stock car.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/westerfield-s-40-1-stock-car/







Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: "Vehicle" Car

Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Thanks, Al Kresse

On March 5, 2017 at 11:28 PM "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

According to the book PM Revenue Freight Cars by Million and Paton this series, 42650-43149, was listed as "Vehicle" wood and were built for automobile service. The builders photo on page 28 shows a car stenciled with "Vehicle". Apparently they didn't necessarily have larger doors when built, but the authors state that they were 17" taller than other box cars in their fleet. There are roster notes stating that by 1908 25 cars had full size end doors and by 1911 48 cars were so equipped. Later by 1931, after the date of the photo, some cars were rebuilt with staggered double-doors.

The car in the photo #42794 doesn't appear to have end doors, but it does have a lumber door.

Regards,

Bob Witt