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Re: automobile cars

Armand Premo
 

Didn't they have the "XA" designation? Armand Premo

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

SOME railroads considered double door cars to be automobile cars.


       The definition I gave was the ARA and AAR definition. The naming choices of individual railroads are a separate subject, and as Tim suggests, there were certainly cases where railroad preferences were very much at odds with the "official" recommendation or classification.
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: automobile cars

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

SOME railroads considered double door cars to be automobile cars.


       The definition I gave was the ARA and AAR definition. The naming choices of individual railroads are a separate subject, and as Tim suggests, there were certainly cases where railroad preferences were very much at odds with the "official" recommendation or classification.
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

ed_mines
 

Those Erie stock cars were built from door & 1/2 single sheathed box cars in 1931, the same box cars used to rebuild the rivetless signature car offered in model form by Speedwitch.


ED Mines



Re: automobile cars

Tim O'Connor
 


SOME railroads considered double door cars to be automobile cars.

But not all. The Santa Fe called them Furniture or Fe class cars.

That classification continued all the way to the Fe-42's built in 1969.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

Thanks for all the great suggestions. I think I can "go
forward" with this project ... except I'd like to know the
answers to the following 'extra credit' questions ...

Does anyone have any idea where the Santa Fe sourced
their sand for facilities in Northern California?
Or even a clue what color sand was used by the ATSF in
the same area?
- Jim B.


Re: "Vehicle" Car (Change To Automobile Designation)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Any idea what year the ARA adopted AUTOMOBILE as the standard marking for an oversize boxcar?

     An automobile car was defined as a double-door box car, not "oversize" as such.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: "Vehicle" Car (Change To Automobile Designation)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Hi, Dennis -

 

Any idea what year the ARA adopted AUTOMOBILE as the standard marking for an oversize boxcar?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Peter Hall
 

Another product you might consider is Sanded Grout.  It’s very fine, and comes in several useful colors.

Thanks
Pete




On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I have used diatomaceous earth, which you can get cheaply from many hardware stores and pet stores.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:12 am
Subject: [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?

 
Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.



Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Richard Townsend
 

I have used diatomaceous earth, which you can get cheaply from many hardware stores and pet stores.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:12 am
Subject: [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?

 
Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Tim O'Connor
 


A friend of mine collected extremely fine sand dust from a rock cut
off Interstate 495 where it would blow and collect there. There is real
sand everywhere, and it makes excellent scale sand loads! (He did the
same with iron oxide flakes in a junk yard - fabulous for scrap loads.)

But, yeah, I agree with Elden if you can find AR&M products, they are very
very good. He sells grades from chickpea sizes down to pigment-grade dust.

Tim O'Connor



Jim

Arizona Rock & Mineral (and others) has many grades and colors of sand.  I have used same for loads, loco sand on my ready tracks, and at the sandhouse.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

frograbbit602
 

Jim I am using any sand I like after sifting it in screen and then strainers obtained at the local food tools store.  The final size is obtained using a tea strainer.  I have collected sand of various colors from many sites over the years when railfanning.   I believe you want white sand for the sand tower.
Sand, white in color, used for casting at foundries is great if you can get it.   I like it especially for loads  at the railroad yard sand house.  The specific sand I believe you are looking for.   I went to a local foundry and obtained it at no charge.  My new favorite is frac sand which I believe will also work well for your needs.  It white in color and really fine and I have obtained it at various loading facilities.  No strainers needed to obtain useable size, only to get dabree out if needed.

Whatever the sand, it is glued with water diluted white glue to foam formed removable loads fitting the car the load goes into.

Hope this helps.
Lester Breuer



---In STMFC@..., <jimbetz@...> wrote :

Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

I’ve seen several suggestions:

1) baking soda - a chemical, not a food product
2) decomposed sandstone
3) sifted sand (so you get only the finest particles)
4) fine grit blasting media - AlO2  (this one scares me because this stuff is bad to breathe, so I would consider this only as a last resort, wear protective gear and make sure it was completely glued down
5) diatomaceous earth (this stuff has the same issues as AlO2 grit blasting media)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:12 PM, jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi all,

  What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola?  I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
  I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

  The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak.  That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes.  And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

  This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower.  It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Sand Loads in HO?

Jim Betz
 

Elden,

  Thanks ... I'll check it out.              - Jim B.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Sand Loads in HO?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

Arizona Rock & Mineral (and others) has many grades and colors of sand. I have used same for loads, loco sand on my ready tracks, and at the sandhouse.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 2:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?



Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Sand Loads in HO?

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,

What product do you use for making an HO scale sand load
in a gondola? I don't want to use any kind of food product
(such as flour).
I'm willing to color it with paint and washes.

The only commercial product I'm finding is the one by
Motrak. That one might work - but it is white and would
require color changes. And all of the sources I've been
able to find want as much or more to ship it as the load
costs!

This is to represent "sand being delivered to an engine
facility for RR use such as for locomotives" - the sand
seen at a sand tower. It will go in an Intermountain
ATSF Caswell gondola (if that makes a difference).
- Jim B.


Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

frograbbit602
 

Jon one mail order place for Vallejo Model Air or Model Color is MicroMark.
Lester Breuer


Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Brad,

 

The best I can do is offer an approximation based upon ORER listings.

 

 

Erie 67025-67084 - Double deck - not listed in the October 1926 ORER but 60 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

Erie 67575-67699 - Single deck – not listed in the October 1926 ORER but 47 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

I do not have resources for a point between 1926 and 1943.

 

 

DL&W 50200-50249 - single deck – 48 cars are listed in the October 1926 ORER and 47 are listed in the 1943 ORER

 

The May 1925 ORER does not list these DL&W stock cars.

 

I hope that helps a bit.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 10:04 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Erie & DL&w stockcars

 



Eric,

 

 

Erie

 

Single deck:  67575-67699

 

Double deck:  67025-67084

 

DL&w 

50200-50249 single deck

 

Thank you,

Brad Andonian 

On Monday, March 6, 2017, 7:53 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

 

Thank you,

 



Re: Westerfield S-40-1 stock car

Ken Adams
 

Jon

I found Vallejo both Air and Model Color at a Hobby Lobby. Limited selection but basic colors. Check their hours as they may not be open on Sundays. I use the Vallejo Model Color when not going to all the trouble to set up an airbrush paint station (I live in a townhouse so not able to have a permanent in house air brush setup.) Model Color goes on very smooth with a good brush. Looking for the right match for SP Daylight Orange to use for touch up when I cannot set up for Star Brand spraying. 

Another store was Game Kastle which caters to the war game set but mostly in the South Bay.

Ken Adams
WC CA



Re: "Vehicle" Car

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rwitt_2000@...> wrote :

According to the book PM Revenue Freight Cars by Million and Paton this series, 42650-43149, was listed as "Vehicle" wood and were built for automobile service. The builders photo on page 28 shows a car stenciled with "Vehicle". Apparently they didn't necessarily have larger doors when built, but the authors state that they were 17" taller than other box cars in their fleet. There are roster notes stating that by 1908 25 cars had full size end doors and by 1911 48 cars were so equipped. Later by 1931, after the date of the photo, some cars were rebuilt with staggered double-doors.

============================

At the time those cars were built, it is just as likely they would be carrying parts for carriages as automobiles. Both tend to be odd shapes that don't pack tightly in a boxcar, thus the oversize cars. Some railroads included furniture in the mix, and marked their cars VEHICLE AND FURNITURE. As the carriage trade disappeared, the ARA adopted AUTOMOBILE as the standard marking for an oversize boxcar.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Erie & DL&w stockcars

Brad Andonian
 

Eric,


Erie

Single deck:  67575-67699

Double deck:  67025-67084

DL&w 
50200-50249 single deck

Thank you,
Brad Andonian 

On Monday, March 6, 2017, 7:53 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Brad,

Can you supply car number series for these?


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM "Brad Andonian cereshill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



I am seeking build dates for the Erie single and double deck stock cars.    Also wish to have the same on DL&w single deck.   These were 40' cars.

Thank you,