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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

James SANDIFER
 

If it is any help in your decision, I know one of our STMFC members was assisting them with this project, a tank car guy (not I).

 

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J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 6:33 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

 

 

     If BLI can't do better than what they have offered as photos of the new 6,000 gal.

tank cars they need to find a new photographer. Until then, or when I have one in

hand, my view is about the same as Tim O's. A well done Brown Co. car would be

a welcome addition to what is available in HO scale but the operative words here 

are "well done". One cannot discern the quality of a model from photos that look 

more like an artist's rendition.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

"markstation01@yahoo.com <markstation01@...>
 

Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Dave Lawler
 

Get a clean, dry plastic peanut butter, mayonnaise or similar jar. Obtain an old nylon stocking from your wife, girlfriend or “significant other”.
Pour a bunch of dry sand in the jar. Stretch and rubber band a piece of the stocking over the mouth of the jar the start shaking the jar over a kitty liter box.
You’ll end up with sand dust that looks pretty good as HO scale sand.  Simple. Works for me.
Best regards,
Dave Lawler



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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Donald B. Valentine
 

     If BLI can't do better than what they have offered as photos of the new 6,000 gal.
tank cars they need to find a new photographer. Until then, or when I have one in
hand, my view is about the same as Tim O's. A well done Brown Co. car would be
a welcome addition to what is available in HO scale but the operative words here 
are "well done". One cannot discern the quality of a model from photos that look 
more like an artist's rendition.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

Bill Welch
 

If there are any Broadway Dealers on this list that will be splitting up the bulk packs and taking reservations for their new tank cars? If so can you please let us know who you are?


Thank you!

Bill Welch

Re: New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Bill Welch
 

Well done Bernhard. Do you plan to upgrade the Sill Steps also?

Bill Welch

Re: What is this car?

Jim Gates
 

The waycar is a dead giveaway that this is a Santa Fe train.

Based on the filename, the locomotive is probably 1829, an 1800 class 2-6-2.
The gondola is a Caswell or a Caswell look-alike. Intermountain and Westerfield have done these.
The stock car is an older class. Westerfield has Sk-L,N, and P models that are similar if not the same class.
The wooden waycar was available from Walthers.

Jim Gates


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On Mon, 3/6/17, jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] What is this car?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, March 6, 2017, 11:38 PM


Hi guys,



Is this an example of an early ATSF chip hopper that has
been

converted from an O.B. box car? Cool car no matter what.



This image is quite small and I can't make out the
reporting

marks even after zooming it in a quality image editor ...
just

not enough there to work with. Any ideas of what it is
and/or

what RR it is? Where might the photo have been taken?
When?

The photo name implies it might be somewhere around
Topeka?



I don't remember ever seeing a model of anything like
this.

But could be kitbashed ... easy?



http://sfrhms.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/RHATSF1829Topeka41LC.jpg



- Jim

Re: What is the third car from the camera?

Richard Townsend
 

I'm going to say covered gondola. I've seen similar cars on the C&S narrow gauge in Colorado, used for carrying high-grade ore.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 9:13 pm
Subject: [STMFC] What is the third car from the camera?

 
Hi List Members,

I'd like to invite everyone to consider the nice image linked below:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-13/C3665.jpg

The two cars closest to the camera appears to PRR class GS gondolas.

What is the third car from the camera? Pickle car? Gondola with covers?
Something else?

Claus Schlund

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Ed Hawkins
 


On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:31 PM, matt.dowd4@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any more information about the prototypes BLI chose? I'm curious to see if any of these cars would have been painted in other, more plain looking lease schemes such as GATC or UTLX. I was considering buying some of these models but the paint schemes aren't all that flattering in my opinion. Thanks in advance for the help

Matthew,
I’ll take a shot at answering your question. 

Many, but not all, of the new BLI models are based on as-built cars in the schemes delivered from ACF’s Milton, Pa. plant. These follow the ACF paint specs as denoted in ACF bills of materials that are available for review at the Barriger National Railroad Library (a part of the St. Louis Mercantile Library). 

A relatively few number of these prototype cars were plain-jane black with simple white stencils when delivered during the 1930s into the 1940s. The majority were painted in colorful schemes with numerous cars equipped with what ACF termed as "mud guards" to reduce the grime otherwise collected on the lower section of the jacket due to wheel splash. Other cars may have been repainted black at some later date, however, in-service photos have not yet been located to confirm this. If anyone has such photos, please make them available to BLI.

Several owners continued to paint their tank cars in colorful schemes for many years. Hooker consistently applied their colorful orange/white/black scheme during the span of the steam era. Other companies keeping their spiffy paint scheme were Pittsburgh Plate Glass (PPGX) and Southern Alkali (SACX), that in 1951 together became Columbia Southern. Similarly, the Ethyl Corp. (EBAX) cars for anti-knock compound were typically gray and black with colorful company trademarks. 

Regarding GATX or UTLX, none of these Type 27 chlorine tank cars for were built for them. To become GATX or UTLX would have required the owner to sell the cars to these large tank car leasing companies, who in turn may have painted them in their normal black with white stencils (GATC) or yellow stencils (UTLX). Perhaps that occurred, but again in-service photos are needed to confirm.

The plain-jane black/white schemes would more likely be cars owned by Shippers’ Car Line (SHPX), who by the postwar era may have repainted some of their cars black with white stencils. Approximately 50 SHPX cars built in 1946-1947 for lease to Mathieson Chemicals were painted black with white stencils, but they were on long-term lease and lettered with relatively large Mathieson company graphics.

During the 1950s many of the PSMX Penn Salt cars went to Shippers’ Car Line, so the challenge is to locate photos of them.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Jon Miller
 

    Those rivets on the ends seem rather bulky and the spacing seems off, are they correct?    The big picture just looks toy train like??????  I'm waiting for a review!
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

What is this car?

Jim Betz
 

Hi guys,

Is this an example of an early ATSF chip hopper that has been
converted from an O.B. box car? Cool car no matter what.

This image is quite small and I can't make out the reporting
marks even after zooming it in a quality image editor ... just
not enough there to work with. Any ideas of what it is and/or
what RR it is? Where might the photo have been taken? When?
The photo name implies it might be somewhere around Topeka?

I don't remember ever seeing a model of anything like this.
But could be kitbashed ... easy?

http://sfrhms.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/RHATSF1829Topeka41LC.jpg

- Jim

What is the third car from the camera?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

I'd like to invite everyone to consider the nice image linked below:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-13/C3665.jpg

The two cars closest to the camera appears to PRR class GS gondolas.

What is the third car from the camera? Pickle car? Gondola with covers? Something else?

Claus Schlund

Re: New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Greg Martin
 

Bernard,
 
Nice work. Always good to see someone making good better...
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 3/5/2017 10:54:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I'm looking forward for different paint schemas of these cars! However one is an absolute need, the ladder steps and handholds are to remove and must be replaced by such made from wire!
Here a picture where I did same on 40ft models - http://us-modelsof1900.de/wp-content/gallery/1930er-modelle/ab-brake_10ks.jpg

 

Bernhard - http://us-modelsof1900.de




Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Matthew Dowd
 

Does anyone have any more information about the prototypes BLI chose? I'm curious to see if any of these cars would have been painted in other, more plain looking lease schemes such as GATC or UTLX. I was considering buying some of these models but the paint schemes aren't all that flattering in my opinion. Thanks in advance for the help

-Matthew Dowd

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Bruce Smith
 

​Mark,


YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary 


Ya know, when in doubt, you can alway google an abbreviation and find out pretty quickly what it means ;)


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 7:27 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
 


YMMV....what gibberish is that?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To:
Subject: [STMFC] BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 8:06 PM

 


ugh! pass. ymmv. to each their own.

Tim O'


BLI has updated their website to include photos of the actual models.
 
http://www.broadway-limited.com/6000gallontankcar.aspx
 
Andy Cich



INSTALLING YARMOUTH CUT LEVERS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have used a rather involved method of attaching Carmer cut levers that goes back to the Freestate
product. I try to make all of my rolling stock as "bulletproof" as possible. I turn mounting posts with two
diameters from brass rod. I make up a batch when doing turnings so that I have them ready when needed.
I use brass NBE castings to better replicate the actual cut lever. A hole is drilled in the end of the post
and the two lever parts are threaded on the NBW and soldered into the hole .A hole is drilled in the end of
the car for the smallar diameter of the plug. If it is a brass car the plug is soldered into the hole. If it is a resin
car the post is ACC'd into the hole. When using the Freestate product two etchings are used for each end
which provides the prototype offset. This is not mnecessary with the Yarmouth product.

Styreen rod could be used for the post which would greatlysimplify things.

Bill Pardie

Re: automobile cars

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

In June 1910, the ARA accepted the proposed classification of cars that had been drawn up at its request by the Master Car Builders Association. The complete list was published at the time in various trade journals including Railway Age Gazette 1910 vol. 48, beginning on page 1620. This can be viewed or downloaded at https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101049000712;view=1up;seq=1662

 

There were four classes for “General Service Freight Equipment Cars” –

XM Box Car
XA Automobile Car
XF Furniture Car

XV Box Car Ventilated

It defines XA as “Box car of similar design to general service car, having exceptionally large side doors or end doors”, while XF was as per XA “except unusually greater capacity in cubic feet”.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2017 1:37 p.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] automobile cars

 




One document I saw (http://www.nakina.net/other/aartype.html) derives its list of AAR Mechanical Designations from Official Railway Equipment Registers starting in 1917. The range of years to which the designations apply also are listed. 

 

Unfortunately, the list does not go back before 1917 so the word "carriage" does not appear in the descriptions. Note that "XA" evolved and overlapped ""XAR" and "XF" appears to have lasted into the mid-1960s.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

 

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

John Barry
 

The Ethyl cars look good!   Soon they will be transporting motor fuel anti-knock compound from Baton Rouge, Louisiana to North Bay refineries: Standard, Richmond via Santa Fe Shell, and Associated refineries in Martinez via the Port Chicago interchange with the SP.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'Andy Cich' ajc5150@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 7:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

 
BLI has updated their website to include photos of the actual models.
 
 
 
Andy Cich


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

"markstation01@yahoo.com <markstation01@...>
 

Re: Sand Loads in HO?

John Barry
 

Jim,

Covered in my blog: Locomotive Sand at Richmond

and 



Northern California Santa Fe locomotive sand was less likely to be carried in Caswells than in SP G-50-10s and 12s for which there is photographic evidence.  It looked pretty white.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 4:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sand Loads in HO?

 
Hi,

Thanks for all the great suggestions. I think I can "go
forward" with this project ... except I'd like to know the
answers to the following 'extra credit' questions ...

Does anyone have any idea where the Santa Fe sourced
their sand for facilities in Northern California?
Or even a clue what color sand was used by the ATSF in
the same area?
- Jim B.