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Re: automobile cars

charles slater
 

Many of the earlier Santa Fe Fe-class cars were lettered Furniture and Automobile on the car side.

Charlie Slater 


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From: STMFC@... on behalf of Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 1:09 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] re: automobile cars
 
 


SOME railroads considered double door cars to be automobile cars.

But not all. The Santa Fe called them Furniture or Fe class cars.

That classification continued all the way to the Fe-42's built in 1969.

Tim O'Connor


Re: DT&I Gondola Wood Floor 5-inch wide Board x Board Construction: New Dropbox Link

Bill Welch
 

Sorry first link did not work: This one does: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h9ee98zwzre8l7f/AAAsR7NJdne4PNFSe1Ed89zTa?dl=0

Bill Welch


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/7/2017 7:08 AM, 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] wrote:
If it is any help in your decision, I know one of our STMFC members was assisting them with this project, a tank car guy (not I).

    This is good to know.

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Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bill,

 

                Zip texturing sounds like a good idea for something as fine as sand!  I have even considered it for the fine cinders that seem to cover the ground at steam-era engine terminals.  Old photos show the texture there is also very fine (though not as fine as sand).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 8:22 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?

 

 

Dave Parker,

 

Thanks for bringing soil science into this discussion.  That properly scopes the model size www seek.  This sounds like a case for classic "zip texture"--plaster dusted onto a wetted form.  The plaster might have just a hint of color (ochre?).  It is possible Arizona Rock might have something so fine, as well, but most of us have plaster around.

 

Bill Decker


DT&I Gondola Wood Floor 5-inch wide Board x Board Construction

Bill Welch
 

Yesterday I spent some time building a styrene fixture to help me split 10-inch wood scale boards into 5-inch boards. Having given the fixture 24 hours to cure I started splitting the wood to model the flooring in a resin DT&I gon as has been discussed recently here. The results are in a Dropbox folder "DT&I Gondola Wood Floor 5-inch wide Board x Board Construction" the link for which is below. What I did is rotate the test patch four times to effectively catch the sunlight from different directions. You will see a 5-Pointed Star drawn on the Blue Tape for orientation. As you can see I used a blade to damage the wood in an attempt to show a floor after years of service.


My favorite cutting tool is a Single Edge Razor Blade (SERB) but I recently purchased an EXCEL Hobby Knife that I picture in a separate folder. I used this exclusively on this little experiment. It is light weight, easy to see, and does not roll around and when capped it is very safe. It is definitely replacing my X-Acto handle.


Because a #11 blade is a little wider than a SERB I thought it would create a slightly wider bevel when splitting the wood and help create a more defined edge to the wood. Because I am using scale 10 x 3-inch wood, I did not try to split the wood in one pass of the knife and after a couple of passes on the wood I realized I liked the effect and so some of the wood you see is actually a 10-inch piece with two or three passes of the knife. The board next to the Star is one such board. There are 3 or 4 more mixed in with individual 5-inch boards. Your feedback on how this is looking will be appreciated.


I am using CA to glue the wood onto a sheet of 0.010 styrene. I am going to experiment with PanPastels and Colored Pencils to age the floor. I am curious to see if the flexible substrate will allow me to do some of the boards separately. Here is the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h9ee98zwzre8l7f/AAAsR7NJdne4PNFSe1Ed89zTa?dl=0


Bill Welch



Re: Pennsy X29

Nelson Moyer
 

YMW ladder stiles are designated by rung spacing, not width. The width depends upon how long you're grab irons are, or you can select the etched rungs by length. I did a blog post on Resin Car Works Blog on building these ladders. You'll find it at http://blog.resincarworks.com/

Nelson Moyer

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy X29


Good morning:

I am hope someone on the list may know this information. I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre. I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.

Thanks,

Bob Amsler
Saint Louis, Missouri


Re: Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/7/2017 4:31 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

If there are any Broadway Dealers on this list that will be splitting up the bulk packs and taking reservations for their new tank cars? If so can you please let us know who you are?

Bill Welch


    I am not a dealer but ordered a 4 pack, #6126 assorted.  I am only going to keep 1 or 2*.  Willing to trade or sell (cost +shipping) the remaining.  Cost is not MSRP.  Might make some arrangement through my dealer, private email please.  Remember BLI cars are not packed for individual sale so additional packaging is required.

* dates that fit my era

-- 
Jon Miller
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Re: Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

SUVCWORR@...
 

I am a BLI dealer.  I am taking orders for the second run of tank cars and will break the 4 packs.  

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: fgexbill@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 7:31 am
Subject: [STMFC] Broadway Limited Dealers on this list



If there are any Broadway Dealers on this list that will be splitting up the bulk packs and taking reservations for their new tank cars? If so can you please let us know who you are?

Thank you!
Bill Welch



Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Bill Decker
 

Dave Parker,

Thanks for bringing soil science into this discussion.  That properly scopes the model size www seek.  This sounds like a case for classic "zip texture"--plaster dusted onto a wetted form.  The plaster might have just a hint of color (ochre?).  It is possible Arizona Rock might have something so fine, as well, but most of us have plaster around.

Bill Decker


Pennsy X29

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

Good morning:

 

I am hope someone on the list may know this information.  I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre.  I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.

 

Thanks,

 

Bob Amsler

Saint Louis, Missouri

 

 


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Steve SANDIFER
 

If it is any help in your decision, I know one of our STMFC members was assisting them with this project, a tank car guy (not I).

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 6:33 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

 

 

     If BLI can't do better than what they have offered as photos of the new 6,000 gal.

tank cars they need to find a new photographer. Until then, or when I have one in

hand, my view is about the same as Tim O's. A well done Brown Co. car would be

a welcome addition to what is available in HO scale but the operative words here 

are "well done". One cannot discern the quality of a model from photos that look 

more like an artist's rendition.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

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Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Dave Lawler
 

Get a clean, dry plastic peanut butter, mayonnaise or similar jar. Obtain an old nylon stocking from your wife, girlfriend or “significant other”.
Pour a bunch of dry sand in the jar. Stretch and rubber band a piece of the stocking over the mouth of the jar the start shaking the jar over a kitty liter box.
You’ll end up with sand dust that looks pretty good as HO scale sand.  Simple. Works for me.
Best regards,
Dave Lawler



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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

riverman_vt@...
 

     If BLI can't do better than what they have offered as photos of the new 6,000 gal.
tank cars they need to find a new photographer. Until then, or when I have one in
hand, my view is about the same as Tim O's. A well done Brown Co. car would be
a welcome addition to what is available in HO scale but the operative words here 
are "well done". One cannot discern the quality of a model from photos that look 
more like an artist's rendition.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

Bill Welch
 

If there are any Broadway Dealers on this list that will be splitting up the bulk packs and taking reservations for their new tank cars? If so can you please let us know who you are?


Thank you!

Bill Welch


Re: New Accurail 36-foot box cars

Bill Welch
 

Well done Bernhard. Do you plan to upgrade the Sill Steps also?

Bill Welch


Re: What is this car?

Jim Gates
 

The waycar is a dead giveaway that this is a Santa Fe train.

Based on the filename, the locomotive is probably 1829, an 1800 class 2-6-2.
The gondola is a Caswell or a Caswell look-alike. Intermountain and Westerfield have done these.
The stock car is an older class. Westerfield has Sk-L,N, and P models that are similar if not the same class.
The wooden waycar was available from Walthers.

Jim Gates


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On Mon, 3/6/17, jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] What is this car?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, March 6, 2017, 11:38 PM


Hi guys,



Is this an example of an early ATSF chip hopper that has
been

converted from an O.B. box car? Cool car no matter what.



This image is quite small and I can't make out the
reporting

marks even after zooming it in a quality image editor ...
just

not enough there to work with. Any ideas of what it is
and/or

what RR it is? Where might the photo have been taken?
When?

The photo name implies it might be somewhere around
Topeka?



I don't remember ever seeing a model of anything like
this.

But could be kitbashed ... easy?



http://sfrhms.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/RHATSF1829Topeka41LC.jpg



- Jim


Re: What is the third car from the camera?

Richard Townsend
 

I'm going to say covered gondola. I've seen similar cars on the C&S narrow gauge in Colorado, used for carrying high-grade ore.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 9:13 pm
Subject: [STMFC] What is the third car from the camera?

 
Hi List Members,

I'd like to invite everyone to consider the nice image linked below:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-13/C3665.jpg

The two cars closest to the camera appears to PRR class GS gondolas.

What is the third car from the camera? Pickle car? Gondola with covers?
Something else?

Claus Schlund


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Ed Hawkins
 


On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:31 PM, matt.dowd4@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any more information about the prototypes BLI chose? I'm curious to see if any of these cars would have been painted in other, more plain looking lease schemes such as GATC or UTLX. I was considering buying some of these models but the paint schemes aren't all that flattering in my opinion. Thanks in advance for the help

Matthew,
I’ll take a shot at answering your question. 

Many, but not all, of the new BLI models are based on as-built cars in the schemes delivered from ACF’s Milton, Pa. plant. These follow the ACF paint specs as denoted in ACF bills of materials that are available for review at the Barriger National Railroad Library (a part of the St. Louis Mercantile Library). 

A relatively few number of these prototype cars were plain-jane black with simple white stencils when delivered during the 1930s into the 1940s. The majority were painted in colorful schemes with numerous cars equipped with what ACF termed as "mud guards" to reduce the grime otherwise collected on the lower section of the jacket due to wheel splash. Other cars may have been repainted black at some later date, however, in-service photos have not yet been located to confirm this. If anyone has such photos, please make them available to BLI.

Several owners continued to paint their tank cars in colorful schemes for many years. Hooker consistently applied their colorful orange/white/black scheme during the span of the steam era. Other companies keeping their spiffy paint scheme were Pittsburgh Plate Glass (PPGX) and Southern Alkali (SACX), that in 1951 together became Columbia Southern. Similarly, the Ethyl Corp. (EBAX) cars for anti-knock compound were typically gray and black with colorful company trademarks. 

Regarding GATX or UTLX, none of these Type 27 chlorine tank cars for were built for them. To become GATX or UTLX would have required the owner to sell the cars to these large tank car leasing companies, who in turn may have painted them in their normal black with white stencils (GATC) or yellow stencils (UTLX). Perhaps that occurred, but again in-service photos are needed to confirm.

The plain-jane black/white schemes would more likely be cars owned by Shippers’ Car Line (SHPX), who by the postwar era may have repainted some of their cars black with white stencils. Approximately 50 SHPX cars built in 1946-1947 for lease to Mathieson Chemicals were painted black with white stencils, but they were on long-term lease and lettered with relatively large Mathieson company graphics.

During the 1950s many of the PSMX Penn Salt cars went to Shippers’ Car Line, so the challenge is to locate photos of them.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    Those rivets on the ends seem rather bulky and the spacing seems off, are they correct?    The big picture just looks toy train like??????  I'm waiting for a review!
-- 
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