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Re: Pennsy X29

Todd Horton
 

My mistake, I saw rungs and that translated into rivets somehow.  I apologize for the error.
 
Todd Horton



From: "Mark Landgraf mark_landgraf@... [STMFC]"
To: "'Robert J. Amsler, Jr.' mpfan1@... [STMFC]" ; STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pennsy X29

 
‎Bob

According to a PRR plan sheet for ladders, the X29 has
The vertical Styles are 1-3/4 by 1-3/4 by 3/16
Outside to outside the ladder width is 20
The rungs have the rivet holes 18-1/4 apart
The rungs are 3/4 inch in diameter
The rivets fit into a 5/8 hole
The vertical spacing, rung to rung is 15-3/4

Hope this helps
Mark

From: 'Robert J. Amsler, Jr.' mpfan1@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy X29

 
Good morning:
 
I am hope someone on the list may know this information.  I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre.  I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.
 
Thanks,
 
Bob Amsler
Saint Louis, Missouri
 
 




Re: What is this car?

Steve SANDIFER
 

It is a standard old ATSF stock car. The SK-G, H, K, L, N, and P all had that look at one time with the top boards on the side. Many were rebuilt later in life without the upper boards. Westerfield makes kits of some of these. Most had caswell drop bottoms (not a good way to unload cattle!) and hatches in the roof so they could haul coke back west.

 

You can see the N and P models at http://old.atsfrr.org/resources/Sandifer/Clinics/Stk/Mod/Westfld.htm

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 11:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What is this car?

 

 

Hi guys,

Is this an example of an early ATSF chip hopper that has been
converted from an O.B. box car? Cool car no matter what.

This image is quite small and I can't make out the reporting
marks even after zooming it in a quality image editor ... just
not enough there to work with. Any ideas of what it is and/or
what RR it is? Where might the photo have been taken? When?
The photo name implies it might be somewhere around Topeka?

I don't remember ever seeing a model of anything like this.
But could be kitbashed ... easy?

http://sfrhms.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/RHATSF1829Topeka41LC.jpg

- Jim


Re: Pennsy X29

Todd Horton
 

I think you mean the rivet heads are 3/4" in diameter, a 3/4" rivet isn't going into a 5/8" hole, at least not without a LOT of force. 
 
Todd Horton



From: "Mark Landgraf mark_landgraf@... [STMFC]"
To: "'Robert J. Amsler, Jr.' mpfan1@... [STMFC]" Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pennsy X29

 
‎Bob

According to a PRR plan sheet for ladders, the X29 has
The vertical Styles are 1-3/4 by 1-3/4 by 3/16
Outside to outside the ladder width is 20
The rungs have the rivet holes 18-1/4 apart
The rungs are 3/4 inch in diameter
The rivets fit into a 5/8 hole
The vertical spacing, rung to rung is 15-3/4

Hope this helps
Mark

From: 'Robert J. Amsler, Jr.' mpfan1@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy X29

 
Good morning:
 
I am hope someone on the list may know this information.  I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre.  I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.
 
Thanks,
 
Bob Amsler
Saint Louis, Missouri
 
 




Re: What is this car?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

ATSF Sk-K class cars, as in the second photo, are depicted in Gregg's TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 36, "Freight Cars (Part 2) from the 1919 Car Builders Dictionary. The illustrations include a side view and two interior views. This particular volume also includes a photo and drawings of an more conventional SK-M stock car, plus a side view and end drawing of an Sk-N. Add a photo and drawings of a SFRD Rr-T, and this volume becomes a must for early 20th century Santa Fe modelers.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 3/7/17 1:16 PM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Jim,


Here are some stock car photos that confirm that the car in the photo is a stock car.

1943 photo by Jack Delano

AC&F builder’s photo of class Sk-K #57143
Note that the Sk-K was designed to back haul coke.

Here’s a CGW car with a similar appearance

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith   



Re: Pennsy X29

mark_landgraf
 

‎Bob

According to a PRR plan sheet for ladders, the X29 has
The vertical Styles are 1-3/4 by 1-3/4 by 3/16
Outside to outside the ladder width is 20
The rungs have the rivet holes 18-1/4 apart
The rungs are 3/4 inch in diameter
The rivets fit into a 5/8 hole
The vertical spacing, rung to rung is 15-3/4

Hope this helps
Mark

From: 'Robert J. Amsler, Jr.' mpfan1@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy X29

 

Good morning:

 

I am hope someone on the list may know this information.  I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre.  I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.

 

Thanks,

 

Bob Amsler

Saint Louis, Missouri

 

 



Re: What is this car?

 

ATSF Sk-L & N/P had this configuration: https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=130_436







Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni



From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:18 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: What is this car?





That pattern of exterior boards was not that uncommon. ATSF had some: see Westerfield's 11500 series. Westerfield also has a similar car from the PRR: the 8700 series.



Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

-----Original Message-----
From: jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 10:02 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What is this car?



Jim Gates and all,

I agree with all of your analysis - but that stock car still has
me wondering. It is obvious, even to me, that it started life
as a stock car. But I've never seen a stock car that has those
boards on the top of the sides/ends (on any RR).

Is it possible that the roof was removed, the inside of the
car lined with wood, extensions added, and it is used in chip
hopper service? I don't think so - the location and the entire
train would seem to argue otherwise.
But the top of the sides (and ends) are something I've never
seen anywhere on any RR's stock car.

Is there an ATSF guy (I am not) on this list who can confirm
that it is a stock car? Probable number? Probable date for the
photo?
- Jim B.


Re: What is this car?

Richard Townsend
 

That pattern of exterior boards was not that uncommon. ATSF had some: see Westerfield's 11500 series. Westerfield also has a similar car from the PRR: the 8700 series.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 10:02 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What is this car?

 
Jim Gates and all,

I agree with all of your analysis - but that stock car still has
me wondering. It is obvious, even to me, that it started life
as a stock car. But I've never seen a stock car that has those
boards on the top of the sides/ends (on any RR).

Is it possible that the roof was removed, the inside of the
car lined with wood, extensions added, and it is used in chip
hopper service? I don't think so - the location and the entire
train would seem to argue otherwise.
But the top of the sides (and ends) are something I've never
seen anywhere on any RR's stock car.

Is there an ATSF guy (I am not) on this list who can confirm
that it is a stock car? Probable number? Probable date for the
photo?
- Jim B.


Re: What is this car?

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

Here are some stock car photos that confirm that the car in the photo is a stock car.

1943 photo by Jack Delano

AC&F builder’s photo of class Sk-K #57143
Note that the Sk-K was designed to back haul coke.

Here’s a CGW car with a similar appearance

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Mar 7, 2017, at 12:02 PM, jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Jim Gates and all,

  I agree with all of your analysis - but that stock car still has
me wondering.  It is obvious, even to me, that it started life
as a stock car.  But I've never seen a stock car that has those
boards on the top of the sides/ends (on any RR).

  Is it possible that the roof was removed, the inside of the
car lined with wood, extensions added, and it is used in chip
hopper service?  I don't think so - the location and the entire
train would seem to argue otherwise.
  But the top of the sides (and ends) are something I've never
seen anywhere on any RR's stock car.

  Is there an ATSF guy (I am not) on this list who can confirm
that it is a stock car?  Probable number?  Probable date for the
photo?
- Jim B.


Stock car interiors

Jared Harper
 

Were the interiors of stock cars painted or were they natural wood?


Jared Harper


Re: What is this car?

Jim Betz
 

Jim Gates and all,

I agree with all of your analysis - but that stock car still has
me wondering. It is obvious, even to me, that it started life
as a stock car. But I've never seen a stock car that has those
boards on the top of the sides/ends (on any RR).

Is it possible that the roof was removed, the inside of the
car lined with wood, extensions added, and it is used in chip
hopper service? I don't think so - the location and the entire
train would seem to argue otherwise.
But the top of the sides (and ends) are something I've never
seen anywhere on any RR's stock car.

Is there an ATSF guy (I am not) on this list who can confirm
that it is a stock car? Probable number? Probable date for the
photo?
- Jim B.


Re: automobile cars

charles slater
 

Many of the earlier Santa Fe Fe-class cars were lettered Furniture and Automobile on the car side.

Charlie Slater 


Sent from Outlook




From: STMFC@... on behalf of Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 1:09 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] re: automobile cars
 
 


SOME railroads considered double door cars to be automobile cars.

But not all. The Santa Fe called them Furniture or Fe class cars.

That classification continued all the way to the Fe-42's built in 1969.

Tim O'Connor


Re: DT&I Gondola Wood Floor 5-inch wide Board x Board Construction: New Dropbox Link

Bill Welch
 

Sorry first link did not work: This one does: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h9ee98zwzre8l7f/AAAsR7NJdne4PNFSe1Ed89zTa?dl=0

Bill Welch


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/7/2017 7:08 AM, 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] wrote:
If it is any help in your decision, I know one of our STMFC members was assisting them with this project, a tank car guy (not I).

    This is good to know.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bill,

 

                Zip texturing sounds like a good idea for something as fine as sand!  I have even considered it for the fine cinders that seem to cover the ground at steam-era engine terminals.  Old photos show the texture there is also very fine (though not as fine as sand).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 8:22 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sand Loads in HO?

 

 

Dave Parker,

 

Thanks for bringing soil science into this discussion.  That properly scopes the model size www seek.  This sounds like a case for classic "zip texture"--plaster dusted onto a wetted form.  The plaster might have just a hint of color (ochre?).  It is possible Arizona Rock might have something so fine, as well, but most of us have plaster around.

 

Bill Decker


DT&I Gondola Wood Floor 5-inch wide Board x Board Construction

Bill Welch
 

Yesterday I spent some time building a styrene fixture to help me split 10-inch wood scale boards into 5-inch boards. Having given the fixture 24 hours to cure I started splitting the wood to model the flooring in a resin DT&I gon as has been discussed recently here. The results are in a Dropbox folder "DT&I Gondola Wood Floor 5-inch wide Board x Board Construction" the link for which is below. What I did is rotate the test patch four times to effectively catch the sunlight from different directions. You will see a 5-Pointed Star drawn on the Blue Tape for orientation. As you can see I used a blade to damage the wood in an attempt to show a floor after years of service.


My favorite cutting tool is a Single Edge Razor Blade (SERB) but I recently purchased an EXCEL Hobby Knife that I picture in a separate folder. I used this exclusively on this little experiment. It is light weight, easy to see, and does not roll around and when capped it is very safe. It is definitely replacing my X-Acto handle.


Because a #11 blade is a little wider than a SERB I thought it would create a slightly wider bevel when splitting the wood and help create a more defined edge to the wood. Because I am using scale 10 x 3-inch wood, I did not try to split the wood in one pass of the knife and after a couple of passes on the wood I realized I liked the effect and so some of the wood you see is actually a 10-inch piece with two or three passes of the knife. The board next to the Star is one such board. There are 3 or 4 more mixed in with individual 5-inch boards. Your feedback on how this is looking will be appreciated.


I am using CA to glue the wood onto a sheet of 0.010 styrene. I am going to experiment with PanPastels and Colored Pencils to age the floor. I am curious to see if the flexible substrate will allow me to do some of the boards separately. Here is the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h9ee98zwzre8l7f/AAAsR7NJdne4PNFSe1Ed89zTa?dl=0


Bill Welch



Re: Pennsy X29

Nelson Moyer
 

YMW ladder stiles are designated by rung spacing, not width. The width depends upon how long you're grab irons are, or you can select the etched rungs by length. I did a blog post on Resin Car Works Blog on building these ladders. You'll find it at http://blog.resincarworks.com/

Nelson Moyer

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy X29


Good morning:

I am hope someone on the list may know this information. I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre. I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.

Thanks,

Bob Amsler
Saint Louis, Missouri


Re: Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/7/2017 4:31 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

If there are any Broadway Dealers on this list that will be splitting up the bulk packs and taking reservations for their new tank cars? If so can you please let us know who you are?

Bill Welch


    I am not a dealer but ordered a 4 pack, #6126 assorted.  I am only going to keep 1 or 2*.  Willing to trade or sell (cost +shipping) the remaining.  Cost is not MSRP.  Might make some arrangement through my dealer, private email please.  Remember BLI cars are not packed for individual sale so additional packaging is required.

* dates that fit my era

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Broadway Limited Dealers on this list

SUVCWORR@...
 

I am a BLI dealer.  I am taking orders for the second run of tank cars and will break the 4 packs.  

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: fgexbill@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 7:31 am
Subject: [STMFC] Broadway Limited Dealers on this list



If there are any Broadway Dealers on this list that will be splitting up the bulk packs and taking reservations for their new tank cars? If so can you please let us know who you are?

Thank you!
Bill Welch



Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Bill Decker
 

Dave Parker,

Thanks for bringing soil science into this discussion.  That properly scopes the model size www seek.  This sounds like a case for classic "zip texture"--plaster dusted onto a wetted form.  The plaster might have just a hint of color (ochre?).  It is possible Arizona Rock might have something so fine, as well, but most of us have plaster around.

Bill Decker


Pennsy X29

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

Good morning:

 

I am hope someone on the list may know this information.  I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre.  I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.

 

Thanks,

 

Bob Amsler

Saint Louis, Missouri

 

 

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