Re: Southern Railway 1937 Box Car Herald Color in 1949
That's an easy question to answer - the aluminum heralds were an earlier style than the one in your photo. Therefore, it's white. The color changed to white before the style changed - Ted includes both white and aluminum versions of the early style. The white ones were being applied to new cars in 1942, if not earlier. Tim O'Connor
I have just uploaded three files containing pictures of a wreck on the Siskiyou Line of the Southern Pacific near the California-Oregon border. The year is around 1950. My question is simple: what color should the herald be for this car built in 1937, which according to Speedwitch decals was originally painted with Aluminum color heralds? I'm assuming that this car would have been repainted by the late 40's but would the herald be White by this time? From black and white photos its really impossible to tell, so I'm looking for a Southern Rwy expert.
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Southern Railway 1937 Box Car Herald Color in 1949
Ken Roth
I have just uploaded three files containing pictures of a wreck on the Siskiyou Line of the Southern Pacific near the California-Oregon border. The year is around 1950. My question is simple: what color should the herald be for this car built in 1937, which according to Speedwitch decals was originally painted with Aluminum color heralds? I'm assuming that this car would have been repainted by the late 40's but would the herald be White by this time? From black and white photos its really impossible to tell, so I'm looking for a Southern Rwy expert.
Thanks in advance, Ken Roth
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Re: Tacoma photos (was BLI 6K Tank Car)
And this great and rare photo of a Santa Fe 60 foot Ft-U flat car, built by General American in 1941, in Tacoma in 1952 with some kind of refinery vessel load http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p17061coll21&CISOPTR=33748&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=1382&DMHEIGHT=1142 Tim O'Connor And another: http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/4899/rec/108 Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /05111611.JPG Uploaded by : krowth3249 <kenwroth@comcast.net> Description : Southern Rwy. 1937 AAR box. Siskiyou Line of the SP in N. Cal. You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/05111611.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, krowth3249 <kenwroth@comcast.net>
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New file uploaded to STMFC
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Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /05111612.JPG Uploaded by : krowth3249 <kenwroth@comcast.net> Description : Southern Rwy 1937 Box on Siskiyou Line of the SP in N.Cal. ~1950 You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/05111612.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, krowth3249 <kenwroth@comcast.net>
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New file uploaded to STMFC
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Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /05111613.JPG Uploaded by : krowth3249 <kenwroth@comcast.net> Description : Southern AAR 1937 Boxcar on Siskiyou Line of SP in Northern California. You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/05111613.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, krowth3249 <kenwroth@comcast.net>
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
gary laakso
Garth, who is the person to contact at Tangent and is there an e-mail address available for that person? Gary Laakso south of Mike Brock
On Mar 7, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Tim and Friends, I have asked Tangent to consider an ACF 10K high walkway Type 7 or 11. I've been lobbying various manufacturers for these for years. I have two of the 8K F&C cars, but really want a couple of 10s (the WP used them up until the end). This is a much needed car for the first half of the 20th century, made in the thousands for numerous owners, and very distinctive. Perhaps if some of you also asked Tangent, they might give this more consideration. Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On 3/7/17 6:00 PM, Tim O'Connor
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
brianleppert@att.net
And another:
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/4899/rec/108 Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: What is the third car from the camera?
Jack Mullen
I agree that it's a covered gon. Presumably the intended cargo would be something shipped in bulk that needed some protection from weather. Perhaps salt? I'm sure there are other plausible mineral products.
Jack Mullen
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
brianleppert@att.net
Here's a Penn Salt tank photo from the Tacoma Public Library Northwest Room
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/11668/rec/1 Might be in the same series as BLI Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
Richard Townsend
I wonder if some of the criticisms for the tank car might be muted when one realizes that it is a 6,000 gallon car. What looks oversized on this relatively small car might not be. Critics might be coming from a frame of reference based on 8,000 gallon, 10,000 gallon, and 11,000 gallon cars, and unconsciously seeing those features relative to the scale of the larger cars. In other words, what looks right on an 11,000 gallon car might look oversized on a 6,000 gallon car, even though it is the same size on both.
I'll withhold judgment until I have one in my hand.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted Tim O'Connor wrote:
Yes though they were hindered by their seriously unusual truck-coupler-underframe design, not the least bit easy to fix. This one has far less warts, IMO. And I'm already looking at mods toward insulated ICC 103 and 104 cars of this size.
Tony Thompson
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Re: What is this car?
Al that might be true for very early stockcars, but the 28hr law implemented in 1906 (itself an update of a 1877 law) made feed bins on stockcars obsolete. Stockcars with high exterior boards as seen in the photo were common up past WWII.
Doug Harding
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Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:54 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: What is this car?
Solid top areas had pull-down feed bins I believe?
Al Kresse
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Re: What is the third car from the camera?
riverman_vt@...
I think you're probably correct, Richard, but given that the photo appears to be taken in Wyoming. PA
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wonder what it could be for. It could be a special load other than ore of any grade if it were something large that required a crane to hoist it over and lower it into the car. Also, are those webbed straps similar to what is used now that are going over the top and appear to be fastened to the sides between the stakes? My best, Don Valentine ---In STMFC@..., <richtownsend@...> wrote : I'm going to say covered gondola. I've seen similar cars on the C&S narrow gauge in Colorado, used for carrying high-grade ore. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- From: 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 9:13 pm Subject: [STMFC] What is the third car from the camera? Hi List Members, I'd like to invite everyone to consider the nice image linked below: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-13/C3665.jpg The two cars closest to the camera appears to PRR class GS gondolas. What is the third car from the camera? Pickle car? Gondola with covers? Something else? Claus Schlund
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Re: Broadway Limited Dealers on this list
riverman_vt@...
That makes two of us, Bill, though I thought folks knew that.
Don Valentine, New England Rail Service, Inc.
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Re: Pennsy X29
Thanks.
Bob Amsler
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Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 12:48 PM To: 'Robert J. Amsler, Jr.' mpfan1@... [STMFC] ; STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pennsy X29
Bob
According to a PRR plan sheet for ladders, the X29 has The vertical Styles are 1-3/4 by 1-3/4 by 3/16 Outside to outside the ladder width is 20 The rungs have the rivet holes 18-1/4 apart The rungs are 3/4 inch in diameter The rivets fit into a 5/8 hole The vertical spacing, rung to rung is 15-3/4
Hope this helps Mark
Good morning:
I am hope someone on the list may know this information. I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre. I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.
Thanks,
Bob Amsler Saint Louis, Missouri
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Yes though they were hindered by their seriously unusual truck-coupler-underframe design, not the least bit easy to fix. This one has far less warts, IMO. And I'm already looking at mods toward insulated ICC 103 and 104 cars of this size. Tony Thompson
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Re: What is this car?
tyesac@...
These were "dual service" stock & coke loading. Which is why they also have Caswell operating drop doors in the floor.
Tom Casey
-----Original Message----- From: Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: What is this car? Solid top areas had pull-down feed bins I believe?
Al Kresse
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
Tony
Granted, it is a size of tank car that is highly desirable! But didn't TRIX previously try to render this car, and they ran into a lot of flak here for their mistakes too? That was Strike ONE. Now, Strike TWO. It's time for somebody to hit a HOME RUN, I think. I'm patient. I'm pretty sure that David Lehlbach (Tangent) is planning to do some more good work building on that beautiful tank car tooling he's already done. I can wait. There's plenty of stuff in the queue. Tim O'Connor Tim O'Connor wrote: If you mean on the jacket, those are bolts, not rivets. Handrails, last time I checked, can be replaced (along with the heavy ladder). The walkway is pretty lame, there I agree. And full agreement with the comparison to Tangent models. It's kind of like the BLI releases of the NYC steel boxcars. Yeah, well short of great models, but we needed the cars. These BLI tank cars are very badly needed 6000-gallon insulated cars. Reminds me in a way of what we always used to say about Walthers (some still do): good news is that the model has been produced, bad news is that Walthers did it. Tony Thompson
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
If you mean on the jacket, those are bolts, not rivets. Handrails, last time I checked, can be replaced (along with the heavy ladder). The walkway is pretty lame, there I agree. And full agreement with the comparison to Tangent models. It's kind of like the BLI releases of the NYC steel boxcars. Yeah, well short of great models, but we needed the cars. These BLI tank cars are very badly needed 6000-gallon insulated cars. Reminds me in a way of what we always used to say about Walthers (some still do): good news is that the model has been produced, bad news is that Walthers did it. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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