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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Jon Miller
 

On 3/8/2017 2:35 AM, riverman_vt@... [STMFC] wrote:
Someone had commented earlier about the supposedly
large circumferential rivets at the end of the car.

    That might have been me.  Pictures are worth a thousand words and now that I'm seeing pictures these cars are looking better and better.  Some item are over sized but I don't think it's the bolts.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Stock car interiors

Eric Hansmann
 

Doug,

When did this practice begin? I just finished a UP stock car detailed for my 1926 era. I knew about the lime disinfectant but am uncertain on when the practice started.


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 8, 2017 at 6:39 AM "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Whitewash, by definition, is a mixture of slaked lime and water, and yes was used in place of paint. Lime was also used as a disinfectant. After cleaning, stock cars were typically disinfected using lime. Further the CP & CN (and others) painted the lower parts of their stockcars white to enforce the idea that their cars were clean and free of disease.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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WHITE WASH WAS OFTEN USED ON INTERIORS OF STOCK CARS.Armand Premo

 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:50 AM, 'Alfred E. Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

That's not white wash, it's lime spray.  Al Westerfield



On March 7, 2017, at 10:35 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Jared the photos I have of stockcar interiors show unpainted wood. One shows whitewashed wood, but the grain is still visible. It wouldn’t really matter too much as the steam used to clean the interiors often caused the paint to fail and flake off. Witness the many stockcars that appeared heavily weathered, in reality the paint is still attached to the metal parts, it is the wood parts where paint is absence because of the steam cleaning.

 

The wood interior was also smooth or splinter free, ie rounded edges on the boards where an animal might rub and injure themselves.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 


Re: Stock car interiors

John Barry
 

What's the difference?  The directions I followed to white wash the trunks of my fruit trees called for dissolving lime in water to make a thin paste.  It was a common California practice seen in the orchards that provided the fruit loaded in steam era refrigerator cars.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'Alfred E. Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups com"
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stock car interiors

 
That's not white wash, it's lime spray.  Al Westerfield


On March 7, 2017, at 10:35 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Jared the photos I have of stockcar interiors show unpainted wood. One shows whitewashed wood, but the grain is still visible. It wouldn’t really matter too much as the steam used to clean the interiors often caused the paint to fail and flake off. Witness the many stockcars that appeared heavily weathered, in reality the paint is still attached to the metal parts, it is the wood parts where paint is absence because of the steam cleaning.
 
The wood interior was also smooth or splinter free, ie rounded edges on the boards where an animal might rub and injure themselves.
 
Doug Harding
 


Re: Stock car interiors

Douglas Harding
 

Whitewash, by definition, is a mixture of slaked lime and water, and yes was used in place of paint. Lime was also used as a disinfectant. After cleaning, stock cars were typically disinfected using lime. Further the CP & CN (and others) painted the lower parts of their stockcars white to enforce the idea that their cars were clean and free of disease.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:46 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stock car interiors

 

 

WHITE WASH WAS OFTEN USED ON INTERIORS OF STOCK CARS.Armand Premo

 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:50 AM, 'Alfred E. Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

That's not white wash, it's lime spray.  Al Westerfield



On March 7, 2017, at 10:35 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Jared the photos I have of stockcar interiors show unpainted wood. One shows whitewashed wood, but the grain is still visible. It wouldn’t really matter too much as the steam used to clean the interiors often caused the paint to fail and flake off. Witness the many stockcars that appeared heavily weathered, in reality the paint is still attached to the metal parts, it is the wood parts where paint is absence because of the steam cleaning.

 

The wood interior was also smooth or splinter free, ie rounded edges on the boards where an animal might rub and injure themselves.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

Re: Stock car interiors

Armand Premo
 

WHITE WASH WAS OFTEN USED ON INTERIORS OF STOCK CARS.Armand Premo

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:50 AM, 'Alfred E. Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

That's not white wash, it's lime spray.  Al Westerfield



On March 7, 2017, at 10:35 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Jared the photos I have of stockcar interiors show unpainted wood. One shows whitewashed wood, but the grain is still visible. It wouldn’t really matter too much as the steam used to clean the interiors often caused the paint to fail and flake off. Witness the many stockcars that appeared heavily weathered, in reality the paint is still attached to the metal parts, it is the wood parts where paint is absence because of the steam cleaning.

 

The wood interior was also smooth or splinter free, ie rounded edges on the boards where an animal might rub and injure themselves.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Stock car interiors

 

That's not white wash, it's lime spray.  Al Westerfield



On March 7, 2017, at 10:35 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Jared the photos I have of stockcar interiors show unpainted wood. One shows whitewashed wood, but the grain is still visible. It wouldn’t really matter too much as the steam used to clean the interiors often caused the paint to fail and flake off. Witness the many stockcars that appeared heavily weathered, in reality the paint is still attached to the metal parts, it is the wood parts where paint is absence because of the steam cleaning.

 

The wood interior was also smooth or splinter free, ie rounded edges on the boards where an animal might rub and injure themselves.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Bill Welch
 

Note that instead of a ladder there are "foot holds" attached to one of bands of the car.

Bill Welch

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Thanks much for posting these, Brian. Someone had commented earlier about the supposedly
large circumferential rivets at the end of the car. From what is seen here, particularly in the second
photo taken outdoors, that is one criticism I won't make as those in the photo appear to be good
sized as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Richard Townsend
 

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! I thought I had made it clear that your next tank car should be a multi-dome wine car. Now you're hinting at a high-walkway car? Nobody cleared this with me. ;)
 
(But I'll buy one if it's FW&D.)
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: tangentscalemodels@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 8:40 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

 
>> Garth Groff wrote:
I have asked Tangent to consider an ACF 10K high walkway Type 7 or 11. I've been lobbying various manufacturers for these for years. I have two of the 8K F&C cars, but really want a couple of 10s (the WP used them up until the end). This is a much needed car for the first half of the 20th century, made in the thousands for numerous owners, and very distinctive. Perhaps if some of you also asked Tangent, they might give this more consideration.<<

Tangent Scale Models really does appreciate the enthusiasm for another tank car model from our brand.  We heard Garth's request for these ACF cars a few months ago and here again.  I will save you guys the trouble of ganging up on Tangent with emails and phone calls to offer this specific ACF tank car.  Why?

We have a clear direction for our next tank car releases.  Our next car will be doing a modern crude oil tank car, sorry.

PS - that's a joke.  Sit tight, and save your pennies!

:)

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models



Re: Pennsy X29

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

Thanks, Nelson.  Very helpful article you wrote.

 

Bob Amsler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Pennsy X29

 

 

YMW ladder stiles are designated by rung spacing, not width. The width depends upon how long you're grab irons are, or you can select the etched rungs by length. I did a blog post on Resin Car Works Blog on building these ladders. You'll find it at http://blog.resincarworks.com/

Nelson Moyer

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy X29

Good morning:

I am hope someone on the list may know this information. I looking for the width of the ladders on Pennsy X29 box cars so I can get the correct ladder from Pierre. I looked at the all steel book from Speedwitch and the drawings show the distance between the rungs but not the stiles.

Thanks,

Bob Amsler
Saint Louis, Missouri

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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Tangent Scale Models
 

>> Garth Groff wrote:

I have asked Tangent to consider an ACF 10K high walkway Type 7 or 11. I've been lobbying various manufacturers for these for years. I have two of the 8K F&C cars, but really want a couple of 10s (the WP used them up until the end). This is a much needed car for the first half of the 20th century, made in the thousands for numerous owners, and very distinctive. Perhaps if some of you also asked Tangent, they might give this more consideration.<<


Tangent Scale Models really does appreciate the enthusiasm for another tank car model from our brand.  We heard Garth's request for these ACF cars a few months ago and here again.  I will save you guys the trouble of ganging up on Tangent with emails and phone calls to offer this specific ACF tank car.  Why?


We have a clear direction for our next tank car releases.  Our next car will be doing a modern crude oil tank car, sorry.


PS - that's a joke.  Sit tight, and save your pennies!


:)


David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models




Re: Stock car interiors

Douglas Harding
 

Jared the photos I have of stockcar interiors show unpainted wood. One shows whitewashed wood, but the grain is still visible. It wouldn’t really matter too much as the steam used to clean the interiors often caused the paint to fail and flake off. Witness the many stockcars that appeared heavily weathered, in reality the paint is still attached to the metal parts, it is the wood parts where paint is absence because of the steam cleaning.

 

The wood interior was also smooth or splinter free, ie rounded edges on the boards where an animal might rub and injure themselves.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Charles Peck
 

I'm going to make a WAG that air load means open the hatch and pour the load
in. The alternative would be to hook up a hose or pipe and pump cargo in under
pressure. In other words, open loading vs. closed loading.
Chuck Peck in FL

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:46 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

What does "AIR LOAD" mean as seen on the dome of this tank car?

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/225

Bob Witt


Re: Stock car interiors

Thomas Birkett
 

The one on display in Pawhuska, OK had an unpainted interior. The interior edges of the slats are rounded over with what appears to have been a router or shaper.
Tom Birkett. Bartlesville,  OK





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-------- Original message --------
From: "harperandbrown@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date: 3/7/17 12:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Stock car interiors

 

Were the interiors of stock cars painted or were they natural wood?


Jared Harper

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

rwitt_2000
 

Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

rwitt_2000
 

What does "AIR LOAD" mean as seen on the dome of this tank car?

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/225

Bob Witt

Re: Tacoma photos (was BLI 6K Tank Car)

rwitt_2000
 

Re: What is this car?

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
It was the combination of the extremely small image (pixel wise)
plus the number of boards along the top of that car that threw me
off (was outside of my prior experience). And my experience in and
recent re-invigorated interest in chip conversions. Not exactly a
leap of faith - more like a leap of lack of experience.
Some of the other pictures made it clear what was in that one.
Thanks for clearing the mists ...
- Jim B.

Re: Southern Railway 1937 Box Car Herald Color in 1949

Tim O'Connor
 


That's an easy question to answer - the aluminum heralds were an earlier
style than the one in your photo. Therefore, it's white.

The color changed to white before the style changed - Ted includes both
white and aluminum versions of the early style. The white ones were being
applied to new cars in 1942, if not earlier.

Tim O'Connor



I have just uploaded three files containing pictures of a wreck on the Siskiyou Line of the Southern Pacific near the California-Oregon border.  The year is around 1950.  My question is simple: what color should the herald be for this car built in 1937, which according to Speedwitch decals was originally painted with Aluminum color heralds?  I'm assuming that this car would have been repainted by the late 40's but would the herald be White by this time?  From black and white photos its really impossible to tell, so I'm looking for a Southern Rwy expert.

Thanks in advance,
Ken Roth

Southern Railway 1937 Box Car Herald Color in 1949

Ken Roth
 

I have just uploaded three files containing pictures of a wreck on the Siskiyou Line of the Southern Pacific near the California-Oregon border.  The year is around 1950.  My question is simple: what color should the herald be for this car built in 1937, which according to Speedwitch decals was originally painted with Aluminum color heralds?  I'm assuming that this car would have been repainted by the late 40's but would the herald be White by this time?  From black and white photos its really impossible to tell, so I'm looking for a Southern Rwy expert.

Thanks in advance,
Ken Roth