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Re: Empty tank car

Jon Miller
 

On 3/8/2017 4:25 PM, Denny Anspach danspachmd@... [STMFC] wrote:
I have in hand a very nice Life-Like new old-stock tank car minus any weighting ex factory. Is there non-destructive way of opening this featherweight to add some heft?

Denny

    Depends on the glue.  I use MEK on mine so not a chance but if ACC was used maybe.  Should get some comments on ACC, I seem to remember freezing??

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Re: Decal replacement/recall

Schuyler Larrabee
 

A manufacturer/dealer who stands by his product line, and makes good on an error. Amazing! And really appreciated, Ted, even if I am not among those affected!



Schuyler



I had a bunch of sets that were released within the last nine months or so printed by a company that has become a large player in the decal industry within the last year. Unfortunately, I have had a number of complaints about these decals not conforming to many surfaces, even in two cases with application of undiluted darkroom stop bath (acetic acid, which is essentially undiluted decal softening agent). I have scrapped these decals and have had them reprinted with my new supplier (the one I raved about so profusely a few weeks back).



I am doing a sort of recall. PLEASE READ BEFORE CONTACTING ME ABOUT THIS. IF you ordered from me via the web site, you need not do anything. I will send free replacements. It may take several weeks for me to work through this. IF you purchased the decals from me at a meet or show, then I need you to let me know (by forwarding this email TO ME, NOT THE ENTIRE LIST). The following is a list of the affected decals:



* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d161-pacific-fruit-express-r-30-9-with-1948-black-white-sp-medallionup-shield/> D161 – Pacific Fruit Express R-30-9 with ‘1948’ black & white SP medallion/UP shield
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d162-international-great-northern-mp-50-ton-aar-war-emergency-flat-car/> D162 – International-Great Northern (MP) 50-ton AAR War Emergency flat car (includes pulpwood version)
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d163-union-pacific-f-50-11-aar-50-ton-flat-cars/> D163 – Union Pacific F-50-11 AAR 50-ton flat cars
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d164-texas-new-orleans-g-50-19-21-24-war-emergency-design-composite-gondolas/> D164 – Texas & New Orleans G-50-19/-21/-24 War Emergency-design composite gondolas
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d166-western-pacific-pfe-reconditionedrebuilt-refrigerator-car/> D166 – Western Pacific PFE Reconditioned/Rebuilt refrigerator car
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d168-pacific-fruit-express-r-40-23-refrigerator-car-as-built-1946-scheme/> D168 – Pacific Fruit Express R-40-23 refrigerator car as-built (‘1946’ scheme)
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d169-pacific-fruit-express-r-3040-18-rebuilt-refrigerator-car-1946-scheme/> D169 – Pacific Fruit Express R-30/40-18 Rebuilt refrigerator car (‘1946’ scheme)
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d170-pacific-fruit-express-r-3040-21-rebuilt-refrigerator-car-1942-scheme/> D170 – Pacific Fruit Express R-30/40-21 Rebuilt refrigerator car (‘1942’ scheme)
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d171-chesapeake-ohio-9500-series-automobile-cars/> D171 – Chesapeake & Ohio 9500-series Automobile Cars
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d172-missouri-pacific-murphy-roof-covered-hoppers/> D172 – Missouri Pacific Murphy roof Covered Hoppers
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d172k-missouri-pacific-murphy-roof-covered-hoppers-with-im-undec-kit/> D172K – Missouri Pacific Murphy roof Covered Hoppers with undec IM kit
* <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d173-santa-fe-aar-70-ton-656-gondolas-ga-47-48-55-70/> D173 – Santa Fe AAR 70-ton 65’6″ Gondolas (Ga-47/-48/-55/-70)

Where feasible, I will combine with a mailing for other goods that you have ordered.



I apologize for the quality issues. I thought this printing technology would solve a problem, but it only created one. (However, I do have a use for such printing and will share it very soon).



Thanks for your patience.



Cheers,

Ted




Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media

speedwitchmedia@... - www.speedwitchmedia.com

Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com





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Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

James McDonald
 

Hi Garth, Justin, and group,

If I might offer a small correction, RFP stock car 2409 was built from a different car series than the USRA cars. It came from the RFP 2251-2450 series delivered by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1918. Those cars were shorter and wider than the USRA cars, had a different side stake configuration, and also a wider door opening. The majority of this series was off the RF&P’s roster in the late 1930s (at least 1 went to M&StL in the 28000 series, perhaps all?), but 10 were held back by the RF&P and converted to stock cars. What’s odd is that in the ORER the stock cars show up with the same dimensions as the USRA cars, but in the RF&P's documents 2409 (which survived into the 1960s) is clearly marked as PSC 1918 and the dimensional diagram matches the PSC cars. This is not the first weirdness I’ve uncovered in the RF&P’s ORER listings.

To the USRA cars, the doors are listed in RF&P documentation dated 1953 as “Camel, wood,” brakes as “Ajax geared - Westinghouse AB,” and the roof as “Murphy galvanized.” As of Jan. 1, 1955 the following cars numbers are listed as being in service: 1092, 1104, 2489, 2569, 2575, 2581, 2587, 2598, 2609, 2621, 2625, 2630, 2640, 2661, 2694, 2714, 2727, 2731, 2746, 2769, 2774, 2781, and 2782. That’s what’s in the documentation, but photographic evidence reveals this to be not 100% accurate as I have pictures of 1019, 1020, and 2775 all with reweigh dates from the 1960s. But at least that list may serve as a starting point for picking 1950s era numbers.

All the best,

James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD


Messages in this topic (9)
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3e. Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar
Posted by: "Garth Groff" sarahsan@... ggg9y
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2017 2:47 pm ((PST))

Justin, Eric and Friends,

Actually, there were two groups of RF&P USRA boxcars. RF&P 2451-2800
originally assigned to the RF&P by the USRA. Subsidiary Washington
Southern was assigned 981-1130, later merged into the RF&P. This gave
the RF&P a total of 500 cars. In January 1958, there were still 9 cars
left in the 2451 group, and 8 in the 981 group. There was also a stock
car, 2409, which had the same dimensions as the USRA boxcars. These were
some of the longest serving USRA single-sheathed cars in revenue service
in more-or-less original condition. I have a photo in my collection of
RF&F 1131 with a 1965 reweigh date. Quite a few USRA boxcars also were
in RF&P's MOW fleet.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: Stock car interiors

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Don Valentine responded to Tony Thompson’s remarks on this thread, and I’ll endorse not only what Don said about the availability of steam to clean cars, but also add that just because the interior of the car was steam cleaned doesn’t mean that the runoff from that process was completely washed off the entire car. I’m sure that some cars that had been cleaned on the interior would have residue appearing on the exterior of the car after the steam had condensed and run down on the exterior. Much more likely to happen in cooler climes than in the California Bay Area, perhaps, but still . . .

Schuyler



---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Eric Hansmann wrote:





Thanks for the info, Doug. I think I will have some lime remnant weathering on my stock car model.





Nice touch on a loaded car, but an empty one was ordinarily steam-cleaned before re-use and would certainly no longer show the lime.



Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history





I would think that this would depend on how quickly and where the car was steam cleaned. Stock

pens were found all over the place, particularly in Northern New England where there seems to have

been one every 25 to 30 miles so farmers did not have to drive livestock too far. But I have seen few

of the pens that were left into the early 1970's that had anything close to steam cleaning equipment.

No notations have been found in reference to pens having steam cleaning equipment on site either.

Thus it would seem that empty cars would have to be moved at least to a yard with a car repair track

where one could probably find a steam generator as well. Perhaps things were different on the western roads but this is what I have found over the years on the B&M, the CV, the Rutland and the MEC.



Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

naptownprr
 

What color green?  Pullman?  Are there decals with that logo?


Jim


From: STMFC@... on behalf of riverman_vt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar
 
 




---In STMFC@..., wrote :

I have a Mainline Video showing one of the RF&P USRA cars in green in a freight train on the Southern mainline near Greensboro.  Time period is mid-fifties; direction is northbound.  I've wondered if these cars were ever used to deliver monthly magazines like Reader's Digest or Life?  They could have gone out on passenger trains delivering the magazines but gone back empty in freight trains.  Curious if anyone knows of if any major magazines of the period were printed near Richmond or Washington?  Were any roads express boxcars known for use for this service? 

George Courtney


Hi George,

    Both of those magazines, and many other national publications, in at least some years in that e! ra were printed by the Rumford Press in Concord, NH. They went out in B&M baggage cars and some baggage cars from other nearby roads. Manuy of the B&M's cars after WW II were converted from heavyweight Pullmans and others were converted from Pullman Troop Sleepers. B&M trains originating in Concord were noted to handle Rumford Press cars "as required". One wonders if some of these publications might have been printed at more
than one location around the nation to ease delivery costs and have most delivered on the same day.

My Best, Don Valentine

Hope this is of some help to you, Don Valentine

Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <gsc3@...> wrote :

I have a Mainline Video showing one of the RF&P USRA cars in green in a freight train on the Southern mainline near Greensboro.  Time period is mid-fifties; direction is northbound.  I've wondered if these cars were ever used to deliver monthly magazines like Reader's Digest or Life?  They could have gone out on passenger trains delivering the magazines but gone back empty in freight trains.  Curious if anyone knows of if any major magazines of the period were printed near Richmond or Washington?  Were any roads express boxcars known for use for this service? 

George Courtney


Hi George,

    Both of those magazines, and many other national publications, in at least some years in that era were printed by the Rumford Press in Concord, NH. They went out in B&M baggage cars and some baggage cars from other nearby roads. Manuy of the B&M's cars after WW II were converted from heavyweight Pullmans and others were converted from Pullman Troop Sleepers. B&M trains originating in Concord were noted to handle Rumford Press cars "as required". One wonders if some of these publications might have been printed at more
than one location around the nation to ease delivery costs and have most delivered on the same day.

My Best, Don Valentine

Hope this is of some help to you, Don Valentine

Re: Scratch Building DT&I Gondola Floor: Weathering/Aging

gtws00
 

Bill,
I like the look of your weathered boards.
George Toman

Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

naptownprr
 

All,


Now I've got an interesting idea for my Tichy kit.  What color of green, George?  Anyone know if there are decals that would work?


Jim


From: STMFC@... on behalf of gsc3@... [STMFC]
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:05 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar
 
 

I have a Mainline Video showing one of the RF&P USRA cars in green in a freight train on the Southern mainline near Greensboro.  Time period is mid-fifties; direction is northbound.  I've wondered if these cars were ever used to deliver monthly magazines like Reader's Digest or Life?  They could have gone out on passenger trains delivering the magazines but gone back empty in freight trains.  Curious if anyone knows of if any major magazines of the period were printed near Richmond or Washington?  Were any roads express boxcars known for use for this service? 


George Courtney

Re: Stock car interiors

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Eric Hansmann wrote:

 
Thanks for the info, Doug. I think I will have some lime remnant weathering on my stock car model.


     Nice touch on a loaded car, but an empty one was ordinarily steam-cleaned before re-use and would certainly no longer show the lime.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


    I would think that this would depend on how quickly and where the car was steam cleaned. Stock
pens were found all over the place, particularly in Northern New England where there seems to have
been one every 25 to 30 miles so farmers did not have to drive livestock too far. But I have seen few
of the pens that were left into the early 1970's that had anything close to steam cleaning equipment.
No notations have been found in reference to pens having steam cleaning equipment on site either. 
Thus it would seem that empty cars would have to be moved at least to a yard with a car repair track
where one could probably find a steam generator as well. Perhaps things were different on the western roads but this is what I have found over the years on the B&M, the CV, the Rutland and the MEC.

Cordially, Don Valentine



Re: Stock car interiors

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:

 
Thanks for the info, Doug. I think I will have some lime remnant weathering on my stock car model.


     Nice touch on a loaded car, but an empty one was ordinarily steam-cleaned before re-use and would certainly no longer show the lime.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Empty tank car

Denny Anspach
 

I have in hand a very nice Life-Like new old-stock tank car minus any weighting ex factory. Is there non-destructive way of opening this featherweight to add some heft?

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

George Courtney
 

I have a Mainline Video showing one of the RF&P USRA cars in green in a freight train on the Southern mainline near Greensboro.  Time period is mid-fifties; direction is northbound.  I've wondered if these cars were ever used to deliver monthly magazines like Reader's Digest or Life?  They could have gone out on passenger trains delivering the magazines but gone back empty in freight trains.  Curious if anyone knows of if any major magazines of the period were printed near Richmond or Washington?  Were any roads express boxcars known for use for this service? 

George Courtney

Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

Great info Eric, thanks for sharing
Fenton

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:34 PM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Garth,

 

The original USRA assignment details are included on my blog. Some entries have notes on car disposition before 1930, such as the Washington Southern cars. Most of the notes came from the Lane article in the R&LHS bulletin. Service life is not covered.

 

The single-sheathed cars are noted in the first table but a reader will need to click the NEXT button under the bottom right corner to see additional entries. The RF&P and WS listings are on the last page of the table.

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/

 

 

.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar

 




Justin, Eric and Friends,

Actually, there were two groups of RF&P USRA boxcars. RF&P 2451-2800 originally assigned to the RF&P by the USRA. Subsidiary Washington Southern was assigned 981-1130, later merged into the RF&P. This gave the RF&P a total of 500 cars. In January 1958, there were still 9 cars left in the 2451 group, and 8 in the 981 group. There was also a stock car, 2409, which had the same dimensions as the USRA boxcars. These were some of the longest serving USRA single-sheathed cars in revenue service in more-or-less original condition. I have a photo in my collection of RF&F 1131 with a 1965 reweigh date. Quite a few USRA boxcars also were in RF&P's MOW fleet.

Yours Aye,

 

Garth Groff

On 3/8/17 5:11 PM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Justin,

 

That is a USRA single-sheathed box car. RF&P were assigned 350 in the 2451-2800 series. It looks like RF&P 2538 in the image has been upgraded with an AB brake system and a second grab on the left side of the car.

 

The USRA freight car assignments can be found here.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 2:34 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar

 





Can anyone provide me with the details on this series of RF&P boxcars? 

 

 

The cars appear to be USRA boxcars and similar to that of the Tichy USRA boxcar kit, 4026, but I wanted to confirm if there were any known differences besides the application of a wooden door? 

 

In RPC #8, a small caption gives some very pertinent details of a series converted to express service, but I was curious to know their original roster information and number series.

 

Thank you,

Justin May

 






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Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Garth,

 

The original USRA assignment details are included on my blog. Some entries have notes on car disposition before 1930, such as the Washington Southern cars. Most of the notes came from the Lane article in the R&LHS bulletin. Service life is not covered.

 

The single-sheathed cars are noted in the first table but a reader will need to click the NEXT button under the bottom right corner to see additional entries. The RF&P and WS listings are on the last page of the table.

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/

 

 

.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar

 




Justin, Eric and Friends,

Actually, there were two groups of RF&P USRA boxcars. RF&P 2451-2800 originally assigned to the RF&P by the USRA. Subsidiary Washington Southern was assigned 981-1130, later merged into the RF&P. This gave the RF&P a total of 500 cars. In January 1958, there were still 9 cars left in the 2451 group, and 8 in the 981 group. There was also a stock car, 2409, which had the same dimensions as the USRA boxcars. These were some of the longest serving USRA single-sheathed cars in revenue service in more-or-less original condition. I have a photo in my collection of RF&F 1131 with a 1965 reweigh date. Quite a few USRA boxcars also were in RF&P's MOW fleet.

Yours Aye,

 

Garth Groff

On 3/8/17 5:11 PM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Justin,

 

That is a USRA single-sheathed box car. RF&P were assigned 350 in the 2451-2800 series. It looks like RF&P 2538 in the image has been upgraded with an AB brake system and a second grab on the left side of the car.

 

The USRA freight car assignments can be found here.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 2:34 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar

 





Can anyone provide me with the details on this series of RF&P boxcars? 

 

 

The cars appear to be USRA boxcars and similar to that of the Tichy USRA boxcar kit, 4026, but I wanted to confirm if there were any known differences besides the application of a wooden door? 

 

In RPC #8, a small caption gives some very pertinent details of a series converted to express service, but I was curious to know their original roster information and number series.

 

Thank you,

Justin May

 



Scratch Building DT&I Gondola Floor: Weathering/Aging

Bill Welch
 

I could not find all of my PanPastels but I found enough to do something that gave a satisfying result. I began by applying black. This application revealed some areas where the CA had gotten on top of the boards so I used some 230 grit sandpaper to deal with that and added more black. Then I came back with PP 820.5 Neutral Grey, PP 270.3 Yellow Ochre Shade (love this) and I think PP 380.1 Red Iron Oxide Ex. Dark, randomly and not in that order.


Here is the link to a new folder showing the results, again photographed around the clock. There is also a folder showing the fixture I made to hold the scale 10-inch wide boards while splitting them: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e2lx7qd35vuuxuf/AACb5VQKgBhHb9WWQ0E80BAta?dl=0


Your thoughts will be appreciated.

Bill Welch

Stock car interiors continued

Jared Harper
 

Okay, we have established that stock car interiors were not painted.  Someone said they paint their stock car interiors gray for weathered wood.  What paint color would you use for new wood?  Also, if you spray your stock car interiors some wood color, weathered or new, how do you keep it off the exterior board faces and edges?  Or, is it worth painting the interior.  Will anyone notice?


Jared Harper

Athens, GA

Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

Richard Townsend
 

That car is pretty far from home. Ballentyne Pier is in Vancouver, BC.
 
FWIW, the pictured car was reweighed at the RF&P's Acca Yard in Richmond, VA.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin May westpointroute@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Mar 8, 2017 1:42 pm
Subject: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar

 
Can anyone provide me with the details on this series of RF&P boxcars? 


The cars appear to be USRA boxcars and similar to that of the Tichy USRA boxcar kit, 4026, but I wanted to confirm if there were any known differences besides the application of a wooden door? 

In RPC #8, a small caption gives some very pertinent details of a series converted to express service, but I was curious to know their original roster information and number series.

Thank you,
Justin May

Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Justin, Eric and Friends,

Actually, there were two groups of RF&P USRA boxcars. RF&P 2451-2800 originally assigned to the RF&P by the USRA. Subsidiary Washington Southern was assigned 981-1130, later merged into the RF&P. This gave the RF&P a total of 500 cars. In January 1958, there were still 9 cars left in the 2451 group, and 8 in the 981 group. There was also a stock car, 2409, which had the same dimensions as the USRA boxcars. These were some of the longest serving USRA single-sheathed cars in revenue service in more-or-less original condition. I have a photo in my collection of RF&F 1131 with a 1965 reweigh date. Quite a few USRA boxcars also were in RF&P's MOW fleet.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/8/17 5:11 PM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Justin,

 

That is a USRA single-sheathed box car. RF&P were assigned 350 in the 2451-2800 series. It looks like RF&P 2538 in the image has been upgraded with an AB brake system and a second grab on the left side of the car.

 

The USRA freight car assignments can be found here.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 2:34 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] RF&P USRA Boxcar

 




Can anyone provide me with the details on this series of RF&P boxcars? 

 

 

The cars appear to be USRA boxcars and similar to that of the Tichy USRA boxcar kit, 4026, but I wanted to confirm if there were any known differences besides the application of a wooden door? 

 

In RPC #8, a small caption gives some very pertinent details of a series converted to express service, but I was curious to know their original roster information and number series.

 

Thank you,

Justin May



Re: Stock car interiors

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the info, Doug. I think I will have some lime remnant weathering on my stock car model.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Stock car interiors

 




Eric, I have no idea.

Clean stock cars were a concern and the matter was discussed at the June 1897 monthly meeting of Central Association of Railroad Officers, Indianapolis Division:

Papers received from Secretary O. G. Fetter were read in relation to practice of cleaning empty stock cars before delivery to connections.

After hearing from all lines represented, it was found that the receiving road did not require the delivering road to clean the cars. This, however, is independent of the practice of Indianapolis Union Stock Yards Company, which cleans and disinfects all cars before loading with export shipments.

 

A 1956 UP Livestock Shipping Guide and Directory has specifications about Cleaning and Disinfecting Cars as well as Railroad Owned or Operated Stock Yards, Pens, Etc. “must be done whenever it is necessary to comply with federal, state, county, municipal or Canadian laws and/or sanitary regulations…” But does not mention lime per see.

 

From notes culled from online discussions:

From ORER

Note P.—Resolution adopted November 18, 1914.

WHEREAS. In view of the general necessity of cleaning and disinfecting stock cars in accordance with the orders of the United States Department of Agriculture and other authorities, it is desirable that the railways prescribe uniformly the rates for such cleaning and disinfecting as have been approved by the Interstate Commerce Commission in case No. 6495, New Orleans Live Stock Exchange vs. Louisville & Nashville Ry. et. al., therefore be it Resolved, That, when necessary, on account of Federal. State, County or Municipal regulations, to clean and disinfect stock cars, the charge will be $2.50 per car when single deck and $4 per car when double deck. These charges will be assessed against the shipment in addition to the regular freight or other charges for the transportation thereof.

 

 

I don't know about the regulations in the U.S., but in Canada, government regulations required the use of lime as a disinfectant in stockcars. This was usually applied by spraying, and as you can imagine, made quite a mess. Eventually, both the CPR and CNR opted to paint the lower carsides white, which at least made them look a little neater. This also necessitated moving the reporting marks and dimensional data higher on the carside. Here's a picture of a similar car on my layout.

 

 

 

The lime disinfectant wash on the Canadian cars may look "overdone" in part because the bottom two thirds of the car was painted white. It would be easier to tell how much was actual lime if the car was a darker colour.

 

The Canadian rules concerning livestock were quite stringent, and included specifications about how they were to be switched (usually first!), how often they had to be unloaded, rested, watered & fed, and so on. Many stations had cattle pens not because cattle were shipped from there, but because "through cattle" had to be unloaded and rested there.

 

Andrew

 

 

You spray the lime where the *ahem* non-white fertilizer *ahem* is..

 

 

It would appear a look for government regulations would provide the answer, but I think you are safe to assume that lime was used as a disinfectant in your era.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:24 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Stock car interiors

 

 

Doug,

When did this practice begin? I just finished a UP stock car detailed for my 1926 era. I knew about the lime disinfectant but am uncertain on when the practice started.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

On March 8, 2017 at 6:39 AM "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Whitewash, by definition, is a mixture of slaked lime and water, and yes was used in place of paint. Lime was also used as a disinfectant. After cleaning, stock cars were typically disinfected using lime. Further the CP & CN (and others) painted the lower parts of their stockcars white to enforce the idea that their cars were clean and free of disease.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stock car interiors

 

 

WHITE WASH WAS OFTEN USED ON INTERIORS OF STOCK CARS.Armand Premo

 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:50 AM, 'Alfred E. Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

That's not white wash, it's lime spray.  Al Westerfield



On March 7, 2017, at 10:35 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Jared the photos I have of stockcar interiors show unpainted wood. One shows whitewashed wood, but the grain is still visible. It wouldn’t really matter too much as the steam used to clean the interiors often caused the paint to fail and flake off. Witness the many stockcars that appeared heavily weathered, in reality the paint is still attached to the metal parts, it is the wood parts where paint is absence because of the steam cleaning.

 

The wood interior was also smooth or splinter free, ie rounded edges on the boards where an animal might rub and injure themselves.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

 

 


Re: RF&P USRA Boxcar

 

Westerfield has a kit for this. Al Westerfield



On March 8, 2017, at 4:07 PM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Justin May asked:
"Can anyone provide me with the details on this series of RF&P boxcars?

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/926869/7cba8ba3-d614-4eb4-8944-2424fc2e4e82-A28900.jpg 

The cars appear to be USRA boxcars and similar to that of the Tichy USRA boxcar kit, 4026, but I wanted to confirm if there were any known differences besides the application of a wooden door? 

In RPC #8, a small caption gives some very pertinent details of a series converted to express service, but I was curious to know their original roster information and number series."

This is indeed a USRA single-sheathed boxcar.  The wood door was original equipment and NOT a later application.  Originally Washington Southern 981-1130, later RF&P 981-1130, 150 cars built by AC&F.


Ben Hom