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Re: PRR Boxcar: Number, Please

Tim O'Connor
 


Looks like 69203, which would make it an X31b box car.

Tim O'Connor




Can anyone make out the number on this double-door PRR boxcar:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/35245/rec/1862

I think it may be 88204 but I just can't be certain.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Unusual tank car interior photo.

Tim O'Connor
 


Bob, according to my notes (from 8 years ago) this car was in FISH OIL service !!
I cannot imagine climbing down inside... Urf!

Tim O'Connor




Further on down, there is a shot of the outside of the car. I'm not a tank car expert, so I'll leave the ID as an exercise for someone more knowledgable than I.

Here's the link:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32607/rec/83

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND
X43B roof color

Chuck Cover
 

From all the discussions it appears that when modeling the Branchline Blueprint X43B boxcar kits we should leave the roof as comes with the kit and then weather the roof to represent asphaltum which would be a grayish black color.  This may be appropriate for the early 50s but if modeling late 50s or early 60s we might weather with something that looks more like the galvanized roof as the original paint wears off.

 

Comments?  Thanks

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car

Tim O'Connor
 


Bruce, the first digit is definitely a 9 - because that is the only
possibility for a Santa Fe flat car at this time.

So 907x5 means that it is an Ft-P in series 90701-90850. These
were 50 foot flat cars built by ACF in 1930.

Tim O'Connor





Neat photo!  Flats are:

WP 2614, reweigh ORO 5-45.  Of interest are the stencil that probably denotes centerline loading issues and the chalk mark "Birchfield" just to the left of the WP.

ATSF ?07?5 (could be 30735), class Ft-?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1798

Re: Stock car interiors - cleaning

riverman_vt@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <cascaderail@...> wrote :

From a NP. Lake Superior Division circular (Jan 1 1960)

System Cars
Stock Single deck stock cars to Mandan, ND for cleaning
Pig Palace stock cars out of South St Paul - return to Darling,
MN, via Brainerd promptly

Foreign Cars
Stock Single and Double Deck - HOME

Just the stock car parts of the circular.

Howard Garner


From what you have provided, Howard, I presume the foreign
cars were sent home to be cleaned there since there is no
mention of being cleaned before being returned. I suspect
finding a load to return in a stock car was a rare thing.

My best, Don Valentine
Re: Early Mechanical Reefer: NPMX 500

Todd Sullivan
 

I agree that there was more than one of them.  I  used to see them occasionally in Portland OR on the NPTCo when I clerked there in 1961-62.  One of my earliest kitbashes was modifying a Revell 40 ice reefer into one of these cars.  They were used for smaller loads of produce, fruit and probably beverages like beer (Olympia Beer, for example,).

Todd Sullivan
Re: Early Mechanical Reefer: NPMX 500

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I don't know about this particular car, but the NP bought 25 cars NPMX 501-525 that appear
to be more or less identical.

 www.goo.gl/FyF2hG

Tim O'Connor




A Northern Pacific Railway refrigerator car is stationary on tracks in a 1957 photograph requested by the Pacific Car & Foundry Co. All vital information regarding the boxcar is listed on its side, including weight, dimensions and capacity limits. Apparently this was a newly engaged car as of September, 1957.
 http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/1792/rec/1699

The photo shows that the car owner is Pacific Car & Foundry and NP is the lessee. A Northern Pacific document, Status Of Authorities For Expenditure ( http://www.nprha.org/NP%20AFE%20Index/NP_1960.pdf ), shows that this car was approved for purchase by the railroad on 1-8-60 and this action was completed 12-30-59 (an after-the-fact authorization probably for tax purposes).

As this car appears to be a one-of-a-kind, what happened to it? I would think its relatively short, forty-foot nominal length contributed to an early demise, but that is just a guess.

Bob Chaparro
Re: Unusual tank car interior photo.

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/9/2017 12:51 PM, gn2059@... [STMFC] wrote:
This shows the heater coils and bottom outlet to good effect.

    I see a rag at the top of the photo.   Someone was inside wiping part sown for some reason.  Maybe so they could change the outlet without getting a bunch of that stuff on them.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/7/2017 8:40 PM, tangentscalemodels@... [STMFC] wrote:
Tangent to consider an ACF 10K high walkway Type 7 or 11

    Well I'm going to  add a comment here.  I think the market is flooded with 10K, everyone and his cousin has a ton of P2K tanks.  There are nice 6K and 8K high walkway cars that could be done.  AC&F book starting on page 77.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Early Mechanical Reefer: NPMX 500

ROGER HINMAN
 


On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:44 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


The NP originally ordered the car because they had shippers that wanted a shorter car. The car was stenciled with MDT reporting marks when delivered but as stated below would be acquired by the NP a few years later as there was little added value provided by MDT.

Roger Hinman

From the Tacoma Public Library. Caption:

A Northern Pacific Railway refrigerator car is stationary on tracks in a 1957 photograph requested by the Pacific Car & Foundry Co. All vital information regarding the boxcar is listed on its side, including weight, dimensions and capacity limits. Apparently this was a newly engaged car as of September, 1957.


 


Use the slider above the photo to enlarge it.

 


The photo shows that the car owner is Pacific Car & Foundry and NP is the lessee. A Northern Pacific document, Status Of Authorities For Expenditure (http://www.nprha.org/NP%20AFE%20Index/NP_1960.pdf), shows that this car was approved for purchase by the railroad on 1-8-60 and this action was completed 12-30-59 (an after-the-fact authorization probably for tax purposes).

 


As this car appears to be a one-of-a-kind, what happened to it? I would think its relatively short, forty-foot nominal length contributed to an early demise, but that is just a guess.

 


Thanks.

 


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 
Re: Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual

Don Burn
 

Actually, Ted made the announcement recently about #3.   If you haven’t investigated his Focus on Freight Cars series, you should, these are a deeper dive into specific car types with wonderful detail photos.

 

Don

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 5:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual

 



I have volumes 1 and 2 and would like to know if there have been more volumes published. I just discovered volume 3 and have ordered it. But are there more?

Vol 1: Box and Automobile cars
Vol 2: Tank Cars
Vol 3: Refrigerator cars

 
Re: Armour Refrigerator Cars

Clark Propst
 

I think these are brand new cars, just leased.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual

Martin Young
 

I have volumes 1 and 2 and would like to know if there have been more volumes published. I just discovered volume 3 and have ordered it. But are there more?

Vol 1: Box and Automobile cars
Vol 2: Tank Cars
Vol 3: Refrigerator cars
Re: PRR Boxcar: Number, Please

Richard Townsend
 

That's what the numbers look like to me, too.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

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From: Bill Daniels billinsf@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Mar 9, 2017 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] PRR Boxcar: Number, Please

 
The end number looks like 89204, but the side number is 89203. WTF???
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Thursday, March 9, 2017 1:58 PM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Can anyone make out the number on this double-door PRR boxcar:
 
I think it may be 88204 but I just can't be certain.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: PRR Boxcar: Number, Please

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

The end number looks like 89204, but the side number is 89203. WTF???
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Thursday, March 9, 2017 1:58 PM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Can anyone make out the number on this double-door PRR boxcar:
 
I think it may be 88204 but I just can't be certain.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
PRR Boxcar: Number, Please

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Can anyone make out the number on this double-door PRR boxcar:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/35245/rec/1862

 

I think it may be 88204 but I just can't be certain.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Unusual tank car interior photo.

Bill Welch
 

Notice the footholds mounted on the tank band and handholds on top of the car.

Bill Welch
Re: Unusual tank car interior photo.

Robert Heninger
 

Further on down, there is a shot of the outside of the car. I'm not a tank car expert, so I'll leave the ID as an exercise for someone more knowledgable than I.

Here's the link:


Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND
Unusual tank car interior photo.

Robert Heninger
 

Group,

I submit for your consideration this photo:


It's not often you get an interior shot of a tank car. This shows the heater coils and bottom outlet to good effect. The car is at a soap company, so I imagine it was laden with "inedible byproducts" for soap production. I bet it smelled wonderful.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND
Re: Armour Refrigerator Cars

Tony Thompson
 


On Mar 9, 2017, at 11:24 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
The total group of cars did appear a little too clean to have been in service any length of time. Jim Lancaster commented, " These cars are on Milwaukee Road tracks in Seattle. New freight cars from PC&F in Renton, WA were often brought to Seattle in long strings like this before being forwarded to their owners. My guess is that's what shown in this photo."

    I agree with Jim. There are lots of PC&F photos like this.

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