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Re: Stock car interiors - cleaning

Donald B. Valentine
 




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From a NP. Lake Superior Division circular (Jan 1 1960)

System Cars
Stock Single deck stock cars to Mandan, ND for cleaning
Pig Palace stock cars out of South St Paul - return to Darling,
MN, via Brainerd promptly

Foreign Cars
Stock Single and Double Deck - HOME

Just the stock car parts of the circular.

Howard Garner


From what you have provided, Howard, I presume the foreign
cars were sent home to be cleaned there since there is no
mention of being cleaned before being returned. I suspect
finding a load to return in a stock car was a rare thing.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car

Tim O'Connor
 


Bruce, the first digit is definitely a 9 - because that is the only
possibility for a Santa Fe flat car at this time.

So 907x5 means that it is an Ft-P in series 90701-90850. These
were 50 foot flat cars built by ACF in 1930.

Tim O'Connor





Neat photo!  Flats are:

WP 2614, reweigh ORO 5-45.  Of interest are the stencil that probably denotes centerline loading issues and the chalk mark "Birchfield" just to the left of the WP.

ATSF ?07?5 (could be 30735), class Ft-?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1798

X43B roof color

Chuck Cover
 

From all the discussions it appears that when modeling the Branchline Blueprint X43B boxcar kits we should leave the roof as comes with the kit and then weather the roof to represent asphaltum which would be a grayish black color.  This may be appropriate for the early 50s but if modeling late 50s or early 60s we might weather with something that looks more like the galvanized roof as the original paint wears off.

 

Comments?  Thanks

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Re: Unusual tank car interior photo.

Tim O'Connor
 


Bob, according to my notes (from 8 years ago) this car was in FISH OIL service !!
I cannot imagine climbing down inside... Urf!

Tim O'Connor




Further on down, there is a shot of the outside of the car. I'm not a tank car expert, so I'll leave the ID as an exercise for someone more knowledgable than I.

Here's the link:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32607/rec/83

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND

Re: PRR Boxcar: Number, Please

Tim O'Connor
 


Looks like 69203, which would make it an X31b box car.

Tim O'Connor




Can anyone make out the number on this double-door PRR boxcar:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/35245/rec/1862

I think it may be 88204 but I just can't be certain.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Armour Refrigerator Cars

rwitt_2000
 

End date for Portland Terminal single sheathed boxcars

George Courtney
 

Does anyone have an end of service date for the Portland Terminal single sheathed boxcars.  The reporting marks were PTM.


Thanks,

George Courtney

Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual

Martin Young
 

I asked this already but failed to include my name, so lets try again properly.


I have volumes 1 and 2, just found about volume 3 which I ordered.


Vol 1: Box and Automobile Cars

Vol 2: Tank Cars

Vol 3: Refrigerator Cars


Are there any other volumes?


Marty Young

San Diego, CA

Re: Armour Refrigerator Cars

rwitt_2000
 

Actually it is not, as the ending initials are "MX" with RD# 500 and the Armour initials end with"AX" in the 12000 series. The photo is labeled PC&F.

Did this photo of a string of new MILW insulated box cars get posted? Probably also built by PC&F as were the Armour cars.

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/26063/rec/70

Bob Witt

Re: Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual

Don Burn
 

No, Volume 3 is the first new volume in 10 years. Of course we can hope that Ted has more in the pipeline. Personally I don't want them coming too fast, my Speedwitch expenses have gotten pretty large in the last year.

Don Burn

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I asked this already but failed to include my name, so lets try again properly.




I have volumes 1 and 2, just found about volume 3 which I ordered.




Vol 1: Box and Automobile Cars

Vol 2: Tank Cars

Vol 3: Refrigerator Cars




Are there any other volumes?




Marty Young

San Diego, CA

Re: Early Mechanical Reefer: NPMX 500

rwitt_2000
 

There is an interior photo of this car that I thought was the Armour reefer. The last two initials "MX" and road number 500 make it the NP mechanical reefer.

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/2147/rec/840

Bob Witt

Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car

John Barry
 

Bruce, 

With your partial read on the # it has to be 907x5 which would make it a Ft-P.  A 50 foot car built by AC&F in 1930.  All ATSF revenue flats in 1945 were in the 9xxxx series with the Ft-P numbered 90701-90850.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



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To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Boiler Load On Flat Car

 
​Bob,

Neat photo!  Flats are:
WP 2614, reweigh ORO 5-45.  Of interest are the stencil that probably denotes centerline loading issues and the chalk mark "Birchfield" just to the left of the WP.

ATSF ?07?5 (could be 30735), class Ft-?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


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Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 9:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Boiler Load On Flat Car
 


From the Tacoma Public Library. 1948 Photo. Caption:
Two flatcars with boilers, Birchfield Boiler. Giant boilers wait on flatcars for shipment to Southern California. The largest will be installed in the new building of the General Petroleum Corp. of Los Angeles.The Birchfield Boiler facilities can be seen in the background. The plant was also completing an order for 25 large pressure tanks complete with copper heating coils for the US Army in addition to approximately 400 tank heaters for the army.
 
This is a good boiler load reference photo for the boilers offered by Resin Car Works and previously discussed here:
 
 
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA




Re: Armour Refrigerator Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Interesting - no meat rails. So it must be for packaged meat products.

Tim O'



Here's the interior view of one of those Armour refrigerator cars.

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/2147/rec/840

Bob Witt

Re: End date for Portland Terminal single sheathed boxcars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

George,

I don't have a terminal date (no pun intended), but in July 1958 ORER the PTM listed 145 Z-bar boxcars in series 2001-2150. These were something of a mixed bag; 45 had a 2720 cubic foot capacity, and the rest were 2296. The latter differed slightly, with some having an outside length of 41' 7" and some at 42' 2". Weren't some of these rebuilt with steel sheathing? That might account for the differences. Lumping them all together certainly makes things a bit hard for us to sort out, doesn't it?

Do you have any specific car numbers in mind, maybe from photos in your collection? The 2296 cubic foot cars are called out by number in the footnotes. If we could match specific cars to the call-out lists, we might be able to spot differences.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/9/17 8:08 PM, gsc3@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Does anyone have an end of service date for the Portland Terminal single sheathed boxcars.  The reporting marks were PTM.


Thanks,

George Courtney


Re: End date for Portland Terminal single sheathed boxcars

George Courtney
 

Garth,

  I can't read the car number off the DVD.  It has a silver colored roof edge and the same # of panels and side braces as a USRA single sheathed boxcar.  But the time period is 1955 to 1958 so that fits.  I've looked at photos of models on line but I've never seen a aluminum colored roof.  I've been unable to google a prototype photo.  It has three lines of gold lettering on the lower half of a wood door

Thanks,
George Courtney

Re: Unusual tank car interior photo.

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

So this picture and the one of the exterior of the same car got me to
thinking (often a dangerous thing!) ...

So you have your long ladder on the ground that gets you right up to
the dome. Then you take off the man way cover (correct term?) and
you are ready to go down into the car.
Is there a ladder inside the car? How do you get it clean enough to
avoid slipping and falling? If there isn't a ladder on the inside that is
fastened at the bottom how do you keep it from slipping out from
under you?
I see no evidence of a ladder for this purpose in the exterior shot.
But the guy certainly looks like he is climbing up on top of the dome
in order to go down into the tank. He's working alone!
I see a couple of drums/containers, some burlap bags, a shovel,
but no other tools what so ever. As in 'nothing that could be used
to replace/repair a faulty valve' (perhaps he has dropped them
inside the tank already?).

LBRX appears to be "Lyle Branchflower Company" - a Seattle based
company producing products related to fish oil. So it was probably
fish oil in that car! Not exactly hazardous - but as someone else
already pointed out "it probably was a smelly job". *G*
It is even possible that the guy on top of that car that was working
alone was an employee of the Lyle company and this photo may
have been taken at the siding that served the company. Their
plant seems to have been in Ballard right near the Ballard bridge.
(And to think I was driving around that area just last year. BTW -
there isn't anything in that area that looks like "an old brick
building" that might be where L.B. Co. was located.)

If you are ever in that area you can't go wrong by having a meal
at Ponti's near the Fremont St. bridge. Yummmmm!
- Jim B.

Re: Armour Refrigerator Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


And if you're interested in the color of Armour refrigerator cars, you
can choose from several... :-)

http://www.american-rails.com/images/MNCNWSW1200Reefer.jpg

Tim O'Connor




Here's the interior view of one of those Armour refrigerator cars.
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/2147/rec/840
Bob Witt

Re: Unusual tank car interior photo.

Jim Gates
 

While that would certainly be disgusting, I would rather do that than climb into a Chlorine tank car without breathing equipment, as shown in a couple of recently linked photos.

Jim Gates


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On Thu, 3/9/17, Tim O'Connor @timboconnor [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Bob, according to my notes (from 8 years ago) this car was
in FISH OIL
service !!

I cannot imagine climbing down inside... Urf!


Tim O'Connor

Re: Stock car interiors - cleaning

Jim Gates
 

Regarding cleaning and lime disinfecting, What would be the order of this? I would think these were done at the same location, but which came first, which would determine how much white would be seen on the cars.

Jim Gates

Re: End date for Portland Terminal single sheathed boxcars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

George and Friends,

The ORER data I posted yesterday was correct for the PTM, but in my mind I was confusing these with ex-B&M XM-1 cars of the Mystic Terminal Co., thus the incorrect memory of steel rebuilds. I found a photo of a PTM car from the February 1988 MODEL RAILROADING this morning. It is PTM 2041, an 8' IH, 2720 cubic foot car. It is an 8-panel single-sheathed wood-sided car with four vertical end braces and a straight sill. The photo cutline notes that PTM cars were dark green. The car should be a match for parent MEC's 35001-35300, of which there were still 59 in service in 1958. There is a survivor car on the North Conway Scenic Railway, lettered as 35059, though it lost some of its diagonals during a second career in MoW service.

So now the picture becomes clearer to me. The balance of the PTM cars were 8' 6" IH, 2926 cubic foot cars of virtually similar design. Their MEC equivalents were 35301-35650 (41' 7" OL, 80 left in 1958) and 35653-35901 (42' 2" OL, 77 left).

These cars are similar in appearance to Accurail's slightly taller models with fishbelly underframes (an easy fix), and one of their initial offerings was lettered PTM: http://accurail.com/accurail/art/4100/4110.jpg .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/9/17 9:40 PM, gsc3@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Garth,


  I can't read the car number off the DVD.  It has a silver colored roof edge and the same # of panels and side braces as a USRA single sheathed boxcar.  But the time period is 1955 to 1958 so that fits.  I've looked at photos of models on line but I've never seen a aluminum colored roof.  I've been unable to google a prototype photo.  It has three lines of gold lettering on the lower half of a wood door

Thanks,
George Courtney