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Re: Santa Fe cars in 1934?

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Thanks John, great, helpful information!

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Mar 16, 2017, at 6:40 PM, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Dave,

The 66122 would have been one of 500 Fe-S built in 1926.  All of the cars would have had A.T.&S.F. reporting marks.  The Fe-R likely had one inch lines above the reporting mark and below the car number, the others likely not unless repainted in 1925-6.  Most likely all were in the 3' herald on the left of the door above the reporting marks, ARA data on the right scheme that came into place in 1925.  Pre 1919 cars had 4' heralds on the right side of the door and MCB data.  In 1919 the 4' herald swapped to the left side and the data was USRA standard stencilling.  The Fe's had AUTOMOBILE and FURNITURE opposite the herald until 1928 when it reduced to AUTOMOBILE.  Santa Fe tended to repaint its cars regularly, so 1910 paint was unlikely.  The Society Auto car book has an Otto Perry photo of an Fe-R still in original paint circa 1935 with the lines and the Auto & Furn as built paint.

The table below shows some features
  

Class Built Capacity IL IW IH Underframe Sides Ends EndDoor Roof Side doors Trucks
Bx-W 1910 80000 36'0 8'6 8'0 Stl Center+6TR DS DS Outside Flex Metal 1 -6' Wood Andrews  545
Bx-X 1912 80000 36'0 8'6 8'0 Stl Center+6TR DS DS Outside Flex Metal 1 -6' Wood Andrews  539
Fe-M 1910 80000 50'0 9'0 10'0 4 Fishbelly Stl DS DS Plate Stl Outside Flex Metal 1 1/2 - 10' Wood Andrews L1
Fe-M 1910 80000 50'0 9'0 10'0 4 Fishbelly Stl DS DS Plate Stl Outside Flex Metal 1 1/2 - 10' Wood Andrews L1
Fe-Q 1924 80000 50'0 8'10 10'0 2 Fishbelly Stl Sec S 7/5/5 Murphy Outside Flex Metal 1 1/2 - 10' Panel Stl Andrews U
Fe-R 1926 80000 50'0 8'10 10'1 2 Fishbelly Stl Sec S 7/5/5 Murphy Radial Steel 1 1/2 - 10' Panel Stl ARA
Fe-S 1928 100000 50'6 9'2 10'0 ARA Steel DS 4-5 R Dn Radial Steel 2 - 12' Cor Steel Dahlman 2 lvl
Bx-9 100000 40'6 8'7 8'7 ARA Steel DS 3-3 R Dn Radial Steel 1 -6' Cor Stl Dahlman 2 lvl
Bx-15 1910 R1930 70000 36'0 8'6 8'0 Stl Center+6TR DS DS Outside Flex Metal 1 -6' Wood Archbar


Nice find!

 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'David Bott' dbott@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe cars in 1934?

 
I believe there are Santa Fe historians and fans here.  Could you please help me further identify the following freight cars from a 1934 wheel report?  Photos of said cars as near to ’34 as possible (or notes on the lettering for that time period) would also be appreciated.
 
Road
No.
Contents
Destination
Tons
Notes
AT&SF
44428
Beans
Greensboro
91
36' DS box: Bx-W
AT&SF
48955
Hides
N Wilkesboro
45
36' DS box: Bx-X
AT&SF
64284
Furn
Strassburg
23
50' DS DD box: Fe-M
AT&SF
64700
Autos
N Wilkesboro
15
50' DS DD box: Fe-M
AT&SF
64752 !
Co Meal
N&W
5
50' DS DD box: Fe-Q
AT&SF
65411
Autos
Elkin
14
50' DS DD box: Fe-R
AT&SF
66122
Mty
Atlanta
0
?
AT&SF
122250
Mty
Meridian
0
‘24 ARA DS box: Bx-9
AT&SF
243885
Mf Tob
Inman Yds
7
36' DS box: Bx-15
 
 
 
Any help appreciated. 
 
Thanks,
 
Dave Bott



Re: Santa Fe cars in 1934?

John Barry
 

Dave,

The 66122 would have been one of 500 Fe-S built in 1926.  All of the cars would have had A.T.&S.F. reporting marks.  The Fe-R likely had one inch lines above the reporting mark and below the car number, the others likely not unless repainted in 1925-6.  Most likely all were in the 3' herald on the left of the door above the reporting marks, ARA data on the right scheme that came into place in 1925.  Pre 1919 cars had 4' heralds on the right side of the door and MCB data.  In 1919 the 4' herald swapped to the left side and the data was USRA standard stencilling.  The Fe's had AUTOMOBILE and FURNITURE opposite the herald until 1928 when it reduced to AUTOMOBILE.  Santa Fe tended to repaint its cars regularly, so 1910 paint was unlikely.  The Society Auto car book has an Otto Perry photo of an Fe-R still in original paint circa 1935 with the lines and the Auto & Furn as built paint.

The table below shows some features
  

Class Built Capacity IL IW IH Underframe Sides Ends EndDoor Roof Side doors Trucks
Bx-W 1910 80000 36'0 8'6 8'0 Stl Center+6TR DS DS Outside Flex Metal 1 -6' Wood Andrews  545
Bx-X 1912 80000 36'0 8'6 8'0 Stl Center+6TR DS DS Outside Flex Metal 1 -6' Wood Andrews  539
Fe-M 1910 80000 50'0 9'0 10'0 4 Fishbelly Stl DS DS Plate Stl Outside Flex Metal 1 1/2 - 10' Wood Andrews L1
Fe-M 1910 80000 50'0 9'0 10'0 4 Fishbelly Stl DS DS Plate Stl Outside Flex Metal 1 1/2 - 10' Wood Andrews L1
Fe-Q 1924 80000 50'0 8'10 10'0 2 Fishbelly Stl Sec S 7/5/5 Murphy Outside Flex Metal 1 1/2 - 10' Panel Stl Andrews U
Fe-R 1926 80000 50'0 8'10 10'1 2 Fishbelly Stl Sec S 7/5/5 Murphy Radial Steel 1 1/2 - 10' Panel Stl ARA
Fe-S 1928 100000 50'6 9'2 10'0 ARA Steel DS 4-5 R Dn Radial Steel 2 - 12' Cor Steel Dahlman 2 lvl
Bx-9 100000 40'6 8'7 8'7 ARA Steel DS 3-3 R Dn Radial Steel 1 -6' Cor Stl Dahlman 2 lvl
Bx-15 1910 R1930 70000 36'0 8'6 8'0 Stl Center+6TR DS DS Outside Flex Metal 1 -6' Wood Archbar


Nice find!

 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'David Bott' dbott@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe cars in 1934?

 
I believe there are Santa Fe historians and fans here.  Could you please help me further identify the following freight cars from a 1934 wheel report?  Photos of said cars as near to ’34 as possible (or notes on the lettering for that time period) would also be appreciated.
 
Road
No.
Contents
Destination
Tons
Notes
AT&SF
44428
Beans
Greensboro
91
36' DS box: Bx-W
AT&SF
48955
Hides
N Wilkesboro
45
36' DS box: Bx-X
AT&SF
64284
Furn
Strassburg
23
50' DS DD box: Fe-M
AT&SF
64700
Autos
N Wilkesboro
15
50' DS DD box: Fe-M
AT&SF
64752 !
Co Meal
N&W
5
50' DS DD box: Fe-Q
AT&SF
65411
Autos
Elkin
14
50' DS DD box: Fe-R
AT&SF
66122
Mty
Atlanta
0
?
AT&SF
122250
Mty
Meridian
0
‘24 ARA DS box: Bx-9
AT&SF
243885
Mf Tob
Inman Yds
7
36' DS box: Bx-15
 
 
 
Any help appreciated. 
 
Thanks,
 
Dave Bott



Re: ARA Standards - Stenciling Reporting Marks.

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob,

 

I replied to this on the 1941-1941 list earlier and several minutes ago, but Yahoo may be having issues. Here’s my response. My apologies for any repeated messages.

 

 

I highly recommend reading chapter 7 of Bob Karig’s “Coal Cars” book for insight on prototype freight car lettering. There is a wealth of information there that can affect how we letter our models for specific years in the early decades of the 20th century.

 

As I understand the situation as presented in Karig’s book, the ARA lettering guides were recommended practices, not true standards. They did become requirements but not until years after introduction. After USRA control ended, a new set of guidelines were approved. Sometime in early 1925, a change was made to alter the weight data. It had just been marked as Wt. and the new practice was to make this Lt. Wt. for the light weight of the car.

 

Change was in the air at that time as the ARA approved new recommended practices for car lettering in the spring of 1926 that seemed to take effect later in the year. The main change in these new lettering recommendations can be seen in the data presentation under the reporting marks. Load Limit is an added line while the cubic capacity is moved to the right end of the car side. Here’s a PDF file that illustrates the 1920 and the 1926 updates. Ignore the 1927 on the file. I created this when I thought the practices took effect in January 1927 but it was just a few months earlier.

http://hansmanns.org/ARA_lettering_guidelines_1920_+_1927.pdf

 

 

You can find builder images of new cars produced in 1925 and early 1926 with the earlier lettering style applied. And there are builder images of cars produced after mid-1926 that are wearing the updated lettering practices.

 

As per Karig, these 1926 guidelines did become required on all cars in interchange service on January 1, 1933. Even then, there were some roads that followed their own path. Use prototype photos to guide your work. I just completed a Westerfield D&RGW box car kit and the prototype data noted the road did not update the data presentation on their older cars until the late 1930s and early 1940s.

 

If you model the mid 1920s, there are many lettering nuances. Chapter 7 of the “Coal Cars” book offers the details needed as you make lettering decisions. While new guidelines were in place, it took years for railroads to update car lettering. Two million freight cars are not repainted and relettered overnight. Cars built in the 1920-1925 period may not have been repainted until the early 1930s so their original lettering would remain in place, with appropriate reweigh data updates. Here are some examples of older freight cars receiving some lettering upgrades as time marched onward.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/10/14/masking-tape-as-a-weathering-tool/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


Re: ARA Standards - Stenciling Reporting Marks.

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob,

 

I replied to this on the 1941-1941 list earlier, but it has been lost to the ways of Yahoo. Here’s my response.

 

 

I highly recommend reading chapter 7 of Bob Karig’s “Coal Cars” book for insight on prototype freight car lettering. There is a wealth of information there that can affect how we letter our models for specific years in the early decades of the 20th century.

 

As I understand the situation as presented in Karig’s book, the ARA lettering guides were recommended practices, not true standards. They did become requirements but not until years after introduction. After USRA control ended, a new set of guidelines were approved. Sometime in early 1925, a change was made to alter the weight data. It had just been marked as Wt. and the new practice was to make this Lt. Wt. for the light weight of the car.

 

Change was in the air at that time as the ARA approved new recommended practices for car lettering in the spring of 1926 that seemed to take effect later in the year. The main change in these new lettering recommendations can be seen in the data presentation under the reporting marks. Load Limit is an added line while the cubic capacity is moved to the right end of the car side. Here’s a PDF file that illustrates the 1920 and the 1926 updates. Ignore the 1927 on the file. I created this when I thought the practices took effect in January 1927 but it was just a few months earlier.

http://hansmanns.org/ARA_lettering_guidelines_1920_+_1927.pdf

 

 

You can find builder images of new cars produced in 1925 and early 1926 with the earlier lettering style applied. And there are builder images of cars produced after mid-1926 that are wearing the updated lettering practices.

 

As per Karig, these 1926 guidelines did become required on all cars in interchange service on January 1, 1933. Even then, there were some roads that followed their own path. Use prototype photos to guide your work. I just completed a Westerfield D&RGW box car kit and the prototype data noted the road did not update the data presentation on their older cars until the late 1930s and early 1940s.

 

If you model the mid 1920s, there are many lettering nuances. Chapter 7 of the “Coal Cars” book offers the details needed as you make lettering decisions. While new guidelines were in place, it took years for railroads to update car lettering. Two million freight cars are not repainted and relettered overnight. Cars built in the 1920-1925 period may not have been repainted until the early 1930s so their original lettering would remain in place, with appropriate reweigh data updates. Here are some examples of older freight cars receiving some lettering upgrades as time marched onward.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/10/14/masking-tape-as-a-weathering-tool/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


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Subject: [STMFC] ARA Standards - Stenciling Reporting Marks.

 




In 1920 the American Railroad Association issued standards for stenciling reporting marks. These possibly were standards recommended earlier by the Master Car Builders' Association.

 

Does anyone know what the standards actually said? Were they mandatory?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Re: Underframe Ban

Eric Lombard
 

Good Morning, Folks...

60-year-old box cars.exlx

I am uploading an Excel file that includes data on 29 box car series listed in the ORER with underframes that have achieved 60 years service. If the list were to include series that were retired between 50 and 60 years the count would be higher. Caveat: some of these listings may represent stale ORER entries for series some time after actual retirement but in most cases the data is convincing. 

The spreadsheet includes a column: SERVICE. In that column for each series is an abstract of its service history. Double click on a cell and it will expand to show the entire entry for your inspection. You can double click on any of the other cells, as well. Cells in in the COMMENT column contain notes about construction and other things.

This spreadsheet is an export from my relational database in Microsoft Access. The database currently contains data on over 8000 box car series including those built new primarily between 1910 and 1944, or RBLT and/or RENO from those series, but also including many series built 1900-1910 - a period I never intended to include but am finding too interesting to ignore. The cryptic numbers in brackets such as "[3456, 78]" represent citations to publications. Just ignore them. In the actual database the citations for each series can be listed out in full. 

Hope you find this interesting,

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Santa Fe reefer questions

Tim O'Connor
 


I have an image of SFRD 10356, an Rr-46 with the old "backwards"
SFRD hatches, still in service. Also a 1969 image of SFRD 9040, an
Rr-43 with its original hatches - But this particular car carries a
recently applied "MDSE SERVICE RETURN TO AGENT SAN ANGELO TEXAS"
stencil. Merchandise service!

Other 1960's photos with the "normal" ice hatches are all from the
later Rr-5x classes.

Tim O'


Santa Fe cars in 1934?

A&Y Dave in MD
 

I believe there are Santa Fe historians and fans here.  Could you please help me further identify the following freight cars from a 1934 wheel report?  Photos of said cars as near to ’34 as possible (or notes on the lettering for that time period) would also be appreciated.

 

Road

No.

Contents

Destination

Tons

Notes

AT&SF

44428

Beans

Greensboro

91

36' DS box: Bx-W

AT&SF

48955

Hides

N Wilkesboro

45

36' DS box: Bx-X

AT&SF

64284

Furn

Strassburg

23

50' DS DD box: Fe-M

AT&SF

64700

Autos

N Wilkesboro

15

50' DS DD box: Fe-M

AT&SF

64752

Co Meal

N&W

5

50' DS DD box: Fe-Q

AT&SF

65411

Autos

Elkin

14

50' DS DD box: Fe-R

AT&SF

66122

Mty

Atlanta

0

?

AT&SF

122250

Mty

Meridian

0

‘24 ARA DS box: Bx-9

AT&SF

243885

Mf Tob

Inman Yds

7

36' DS box: Bx-15

 

 

 

Any help appreciated. 

 

Thanks,

 

Dave Bott


Re: Underframe Ban

Randy Hees
 

There are FRA rules, AAR rules (for interchange) and for passenger cars, Amtrak rules...

Currently, per FRA rules, for operation on a FRA regulated railroad, any "Freight" cars (including cabooses) need a waiver for operation if over 50 years old. ) Passenger cars do not have a similar rule and are legal if mandated maintenance and inspections have been preformed.

I have three freight cars under waiver, and that waiver limits those cars to 20 mph, and requires a "comprehensive" inspection every two years.  That calls for lifting the cars off their trucks, inspecting the frames, draft gear and center plates, and a single car air test.

I have 5 passenger cars in service, ranging from 97 years old to 70 years old.  They need the single car air test but don't require a waiver or a more detailed inspection for legal operation.

Randy Hees
Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City
Nevada Southern Railroad


Re: Empty Boxcars In...Loaded Boxcars Out

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce,

There is nothing usual going on as I believe the phenomena has to do with the location of the camera and its focal point and the depth of the offset.

I made a simple model using the back of an envelope with a line drawn across the paper. I folded it to make one section forward of the other; the offset.

If you stand the model upright and look from a point above the line then the line on the offset appears below the line on the other section as in the photos we are discussing.  If you look from a position below the line and this could be below the grade level, which would be impossible, the line on the offset appears above the the other section.

If you look straight at the line and perpendicular to the model the lines on both sections will be align. If you move your eyes above or below the line, the line on the offset appears below or above respectively.

Unfortunately, I don't know the scale of my model so it has no freight cars.

Bob Witt


ARA Standards - Stenciling Reporting Marks.

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In 1920 the American Railroad Association issued standards for stenciling reporting marks. These possibly were standards recommended earlier by the Master Car Builders' Association.

 

Does anyone know what the standards actually said? Were they mandatory?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Empty Boxcars In...Loaded Boxcars Out

Brian Termunde
 

Out of curiosity, I just looked up 7 N Schuster Parkway;

https://goo.gl/maps/AVzgPxBLxUm

or

https://www.google.com/maps/place/7+N+Schuster+Pkwy,+Tacoma,+WA+98402/@47.2685452,-122.4511612,227a,20y,1.47h,45t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x549055acbcdfc073:0xacdaec19d33ab258!8m2!3d47.2704155!4d-122.4508203

I knew that there were still elevators in the area, including TEMCO, located geographically south of number 7, but it was interesting to see that there are covered hoppers in the google pictures. Some things remain the same, even after all of these years.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah




Re: Empty Boxcars In...Loaded Boxcars Out

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Reading the article referenced above I noticed that 70% of their output was exported. The rest was shipped out in barrels... Since there is no way for the mill to receive grain except by rail, and most grain was shipped by rail in boxcars, I would assume that the cars are bringing in carloads of wheat to be milled into flour. That makes more sense than shipping out bags of flour.
 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA


PYRAMID FLOUR was Re: Empty Boxcars In...Loaded Boxcars Out

Bruce Smith
 

I’ve gone over the photo at the highest magnification and the arrangement of the sign is very interesting to me.  Here’s why.

The upper part with “AMID FLOUR” appears to be inset from the rest of the building.  You can see the vertical line separating the old and new buildings, the slight extension of the new annex’s roof towards the water compared to the old, and a horizontal line on the old part of the building where the lower part appears to be further out than the upper (easier seen on the 2nd photo).  That all works for me, but then the sign is wrong and it is intentionally wrong.  It cannot be continuous over the front of the building.  The side with “PYR” is clearly lower on the building if you look at the distance between the top and the upper windows.   If you were straight across from the sign and on the same level, the “PYR” would be noticeably lower than the “AMID FLOUR” part.  I think that this was intentionally done so that at some specific point, perhaps from the water or dock, the angle looking upwards at the sign, with the new part of the building closer to the viewer, would create the optical illusion of the sign being continuous and correctly aligned!  

Note that my initial supposition was that the sign was aligned horizontally and that the angle of view, with the new annex jutting further out, caused the appearance of misalignment, but that cannot be correct, as the new annex part, being closer to the viewer, should appear HIGHER than the old, and the reverse is true.

Model THAT!

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Mar 15, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Howard R Garner cascaderail@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Also very interesting how the large sign is not lined up correctly on the building side. Is this two photos stitched together? Or two buildings stitched together. Not just the sign, but also the building roof line does not line up, even the roof color changes.

Check the third (and older) photo.
There is a new addition and the building sign has been repainted.

Howard Garner

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Re: Underframe Ban

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <mark_landgraf@...> wrote :

50 years
Although you can get extensions
Many private passenger cars exceed 50 yrs old. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY
=====================

Waaaay more complicated than that... but since this is all in the future for this list, I'm NOT looking it up. However, having lived through it, from memory...

The initial FRA rule was fifty years, with the limit decreasing two months every month until the limit reached forty years. At that point all the really elderly junk was expected to be gone, and the limit expanded out to fifty years again. I remember this because it spelled the end of finding really neat OLD cars in work service, although as it turned out, there were waivers available, so it didn't really have that much effect on the oldest cars. The poor economy of the early eighties did more to clear out the oldest cars from the interchange fleet than the rule, I think.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Empty Boxcars In...Loaded Boxcars Out

earlyrail
 

Also very interesting how the large sign is not lined up correctly on the building side. Is this two photos stitched together? Or two buildings stitched together. Not just the sign, but also the building roof line does not line up, even the roof color changes.
Check the third (and older) photo.
There is a new addition and the building sign has been repainted.

Howard Garner


Re: Underframe Ban

mark_landgraf
 

50 years
Although you can get extensions
Many private passenger cars exceed 50 yrs old. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY

From: thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Underframe Ban

 

I've consulted several sources on the banning of older freight car underframes. For the year 1974 I found two conflicting notes:

 

1974 - No underframes over 40 years if built before July 1, 1974.

 

1974 - No underframes over 50 years if built before July 1, 1974.

 

So is 40 or 50 years?

 

And was this a ban from interchange initiated by the industry or did the federal government outlaw such older underframes?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: GATX 7167 - The Pierce Company

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <mike_schleigh@...> wrote :



What is it about this particular gear made it so applicable to tank cars?  Was it also applied to other cars?  I have not looked yet but I do not recall it turning up in other illustrations, drawings, or models of other cars.  Why was it a tank car favorite?
===================

It wasn't. It was just another of many options the railroad / fleet owner had for equipping their cars. They were likely used just as much under other types of cars, but the distinctive springs are much harder to see under other car types.

One thing to note, starting with the USRA designs of the WWI era, and continuing until at least the 1943 AAR cars, ALL the standard designs incorporated the slotted center sill required for a Cardwell instillation.  Therefore, Cardwell draft gear could be fitted to any of these cars, or not; buyer's option. The slots are typically not called out on the general arrangement drawings, but they are there.

Dennis Storzek


Re: GATX 7167 - The Pierce Company

Schleigh Mike
 

Hi Freight Car Fans!

I am a bit surprised that the Cardwell draft gear was not immediately recognized in the referenced photo.  It is not new to our modeling or documentation efforts.  It is a feature of the Sunshine #99 kit series  although in comments therein Martin did not recognize what those horizontal coil springs were all about.  Further, in the prolifically produced AC&F Type 21car from LifeLike/Walthers these features are right in there.  It is not a feature of the F&C Type 11 only because the modeler adds their own coupler housing but it would have been the likely draft gear applied by AC&F.  This is made clear in Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol Two, as many photos and end-of-tank stenciling images show.  This draft gear type was commonly applied to tank cars from the teens, twenties, into the thirties, and perhaps beyond.  It is the primary illustration of the 1926 Railway Training Institute illustration.

What is it about this particular gear made it so applicable to tank cars?  Was it also applied to other cars?  I have not looked yet but I do not recall it turning up in other illustrations, drawings, or models of other cars.  Why was it a tank car favorite?

Regards from now snow covered western Penna.  Mike Schleigh in Grove City.



From: "riverman_vt@... [STMFC]"
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GATX 7167 - The Pierce Company

 



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

<just above the outer
wheelset in each truck. I've never noticed these before and wonder if they are related to the
draft gear or what purpose they served.">>


I would like to add a few points to this thread:

These Cardwell draft gear spring parts are part of the HO Scale Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-design tank car models that we offer factory-painted, where applicable.  We will offer these, and other parts from our newest steam-era model, as separate parts down the road for kitbashers, detailers, etc.  Watch our "Parts" page for more information.

Also, the gorgeous photo of GATX 7167, the car that spawned this thread, is indeed a GATC 1917-design 8000 gallon radial course tank car (i.e. the Tangent model).

Finally, on Wednesday of this week we will release the last very small batch of our original production 8,000 gallon GATC 1917-design tank cars, so if anyone missed out on getting those, please see our website this Wednesday.  These are cars from the original production that were late in getting to our warehouse (this batch will only include the 5 gorgeous RTR fully-painted and lettered paint schemes from our production announced at Trainfest in Milwaukee last November).

Best wishes,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


   Thank you Dennis and David. This is good info to have. I'm embarrassed to note, David, that I
hadn't even noticed it on the two of your tank cars I have.

Cordially, Don Valentine



Underframe Ban

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I've consulted several sources on the banning of older freight car underframes. For the year 1974 I found two conflicting notes:

 

1974 - No underframes over 40 years if built before July 1, 1974.

 

1974 - No underframes over 50 years if built before July 1, 1974.

 

So is 40 or 50 years?

 

And was this a ban from interchange initiated by the industry or did the federal government outlaw such older underframes?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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