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Re: HO Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefer kits

Fred Jansz
 

There is some doubt that the new owners of Red Caboose, Intermountain Railway Co., will ever offer these cars in the future, as I have had explained to me that IM feels that they have "too many wood reefers".

Which might be true, but what worries me more is that the tooling of the wood (PFE) reefers is not OK.
Why? Missing is the L-shaped steel strip that holds the bottom of the wooden boards to the frame. This L-shape is fastened with nuts & bolts. Also the steel reinforcement strips on the ends are missing. I cannot understand why RC just skipped an obvious eye-catching detail like that.
RC tries to simulate this L-shape with a thick black plastic strip - I never knew why it was there at all. Now I know it's supposed to be the bottom part of the L-strip. The top-part with the N&B detail is just left out at all.
Sunshine & Tichy wooden (PFE) reefers posess this detail and I sure hope RC/IM will seriously reconsider their tooling when they offer a new wooden reefer in the future. So we can all benefit from obvious detail that's not present at this moment. I've built and rebuilt quite a few wooden RC reefers, but since I know the detail described above is missing, I regard them as obsolete... Yes, a rivet counter I am.


Re: painting NP reefers

Jim Hayes
 

Tony, I have the instructions. If you or anyone else wants a copy, just contact me.

Jim

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

On 3/19/2017 11:14 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
    I have a completed Norwest kit for a NP 90000-90999 series reefer, and the body is painted

Tony,

    I have (two) of these and one assembled.  I am not remembering which is which as the second kit is in a box labeled Kit #113 NP 90000-90999 series but the instructions are labeled kit #111 CP 288750-28399.  Waiting for decals which will never come as the two of us who wanted them (grin)!  Anyway the CP instructions say the entire car is oxide red (no black) fading to a pinkish color.  The two B&W pictures appear to show the CP cars one color. 

    Found my package on these cars.  I probably built kit #107/108 GTW car.  The castings may be for NP (#113), haven't unwrapped them.   Anyway the instructions,  for the NP cars, have two B&W pictures showing the kick plate black.  (BCR?)

confused??????

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Jon Miller
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Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems,
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Re: painting NP reefers

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/20/2017 4:02 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
Tony I hope BCR is correct:

    OK they may be BCR (red) as the photos with the instructions are B&W and it's hard to tell

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: painting NP reefers

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/19/2017 11:14 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
    I have a completed Norwest kit for a NP 90000-90999 series reefer, and the body is painted

Tony,

    I have (two) of these and one assembled.  I am not remembering which is which as the second kit is in a box labeled Kit #113 NP 90000-90999 series but the instructions are labeled kit #111 CP 288750-28399.  Waiting for decals which will never come as the two of us who wanted them (grin)!  Anyway the CP instructions say the entire car is oxide red (no black) fading to a pinkish color.  The two B&W pictures appear to show the CP cars one color. 

    Found my package on these cars.  I probably built kit #107/108 GTW car.  The castings may be for NP (#113), haven't unwrapped them.   Anyway the instructions,  for the NP cars, have two B&W pictures showing the kick plate black.  (BCR?)

confused??????

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: painting NP reefers

Jim Hayes
 


Tony, it's black. I have pictures of a W&R model that has a black 'kickplate' and the model I built almost 10 years ago I painted black. There's no mention in the instructions about color of that area. I have 2 rolls of photos of the last existing car of it's class but it's quite derelict and looks like it was in work train service, everything painted bcr.

Jim



CB&Q layout progress

Eric Hansmann
 

Nelson Moyer returns to the Resin Car Works blog with another segment on his layout. Follow along as Nelson fits a portion of the CB&Q into his home.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/overcoming-adversity-layout-design-with-nelson-moyer-part-2/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web and publicity guy


Re: painting NP reefers

Bill Welch
 


painting NP reefers

Tony Thompson
 

I have a completed Norwest kit for a NP 90000-90999 series reefer, and the body is painted. I have been hand-painting the door hinges, ladders, etc. black. But I can't find the painting directions from the kit, and don't know what color the kick plate under the door should be. My guess would be BCR, but might it be black? Any help appreciated.


Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Jim Betz
 

Michael,

Thanks for the pics. I ended up making mine out of the AZ Rock
"Sand House/Beach Sand". It looks very much like yours. I like
my cars fairly heavy so I just built the entire load out of the AZ
Rock product (no "filler") ... the car is still not "too heavy".

All,

Doing it the way I did it I ended up having to deal with
"gutters" along the sides and ends where the sand met
the walls. They were about the width and depth of the
end of the typical hobby file (approx. 1/8th"). I think
the gutters were the result of the glue+water 'filling'
those areas and then drying and leaving a void.

Doing a final application of the AZ Rock material - and
being careful to hold the car at an angle and tapping
the side so the sand filled the gutter resulted in a very
nice looking load. Michael did a much better job of
making the car itself look 'right' than I have (so far).

I consider these Intermountain composite Caswell
gons to be excellent models.
- Jim


Re: B&O O-27c trucks

James E Kubanick
 

Kadee #441 brake shoes fit nicely on the Bowser Crown truck. I just did this for a PRR H21 project.

 Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:45 PM, "Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bruce, Steve, Bill:

Bruce:  Sorry I could not address your question specifically about the B&O O-27c; I was only trying to say that, yes, I think we have truck that can pass for the 70-t Andrews (the Bowser Crown).  IIRC it does not have brake shoes but, based on my experience with the Bowser arch bars and 2D-F8s, the Kadee shoes should snap right onto the bolsters.

Steve:  Thanks for correcting my brain-f**t on the 2E-F2 trucks; don't know why I typed in 2E-F8.  Also thanks for nudging me to look more closely at the drawings of the 2E-F3 (USRA) trucks.  To my eye the F2s and F3s are "more different" in the drawings that they are in prototype photos.  YMMV of course.

Bill:  IMHO, the Accurail Andrews doesn't really represent any prototype (at least to an Exxtreme modeler).  Yes, it has the longer wheelbase of the 70-t USRA truck, but the sideframes are not nearly beefy enough, nor is the spring-box anywhere near wide enough to pass for the 70-tonner.  To my eye, it's just a 50-ton USRA truck with an elongated wheelbase.  Again, YMMV.

Best,


Dave Parker
Riverside, CA





Re: Shipping Coal - How Far?

rhammill
 

I didn't look at Arkansas or Montana in my other post. This book only tabulates totals of at least 10,000 tons, so smaller amounts won't be included. In the case of mining products the threshold is 50,000 tons.

Arkansas - (Products of Mines other than Petroleum 1950)
CA - 50,000 tons 
OR - 200,000 tons
WA - none listed

Montana (Products of Mines 1950, so it includes petroleum this time)
WA - 100,000 tons
CA - 350,000 tons
OR - none listed

Randy
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Randy Hammill
True Line Trains  |  http://truelinetrains.com
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  |  http://blog.newbritainstation.com


Re: B&O O-27c trucks

Dave Parker
 

Bruce, Steve, Bill:

Bruce:  Sorry I could not address your question specifically about the B&O O-27c; I was only trying to say that, yes, I think we have truck that can pass for the 70-t Andrews (the Bowser Crown).  IIRC it does not have brake shoes but, based on my experience with the Bowser arch bars and 2D-F8s, the Kadee shoes should snap right onto the bolsters.

Steve:  Thanks for correcting my brain-f**t on the 2E-F2 trucks; don't know why I typed in 2E-F8.  Also thanks for nudging me to look more closely at the drawings of the 2E-F3 (USRA) trucks.  To my eye the F2s and F3s are "more different" in the drawings that they are in prototype photos.  YMMV of course.

Bill:  IMHO, the Accurail Andrews doesn't really represent any prototype (at least to an Exxtreme modeler).  Yes, it has the longer wheelbase of the 70-t USRA truck, but the sideframes are not nearly beefy enough, nor is the spring-box anywhere near wide enough to pass for the 70-tonner.  To my eye, it's just a 50-ton USRA truck with an elongated wheelbase.  Again, YMMV.

Best,


Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



Re: Shipping Coal - How Far?

rhammill
 

Another great resource is "American Commodity Flow" by Ullman. It was printed in 1951 and is a compilation and interpretation of the 1% waybill study.

It doesn't have every state covered (but luck for me, Connecticut was one of the in-depth studies). However, it has a map showing both inbound and outbound totals for many states.

The only place where it separates coal from Products of Mines is PA. Anthracite shipped by rail from PA in 1950 to:
CA - 12,000 tons
TX - 4,000  tons
MN - 18,000 tons
IA - 4,000 tons
MO - 13,000 tons

All the rest of PA coal, bituminous and anthracite, stayed east of the Mississippi. Interestingly, no PA coal is listed as being shipped to KY, MS, GA, NC, or SC. The total is a ridiculous 87,684,400 tons of coal mined in PA in 1950 - while coal was on the decline.

Otherwise it lumps coal in with Products of Mines, which includes petroleum and other metals and minerals. For example, there's probably a fair amount of salt in the Products of Mines from Utah.

Wyoming mines covered most of the west of the Mississippi region , plus WI, IN and MI. For the west coast region Wyoming shipped Products from Mines in 1950 to:
WA - 700,000 tons
OR - 100,000 tons
CA - 100,000 tons
The western states not served by WY were AZ, NM, NV, OK, NE, and LA.

Utah mines covered a more centralized territory with a few outliers:
CA - 1,100,000 tons
OR - 250,000 tons
WA - 750,000 tons
ID - 900,000 tons
CO - 700,000 tons
50,000 tons each to NV, MT, SD, TX, PA, and 100,000 tons to Indiana.

It does have two quite interesting maps that show the movement of coal through the Great Lakes (loaded primarily in Ohio and distributed around the lakes from there), and another one that shows the movement of coal via water on the eastern seaboard from West Virginia and all moving north. This would have been all bituminous, and in 1948 CT received 60% of bituminous via this water route, not by rail for example. 

Randy
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Message

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
I apologize for sending previous message onto the list. Thanks, Barry


Re: HO Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefer kits

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Andy,
       I would like the first three if still available. Thanks, Barry
 

From: Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:00 PM
To: STMFC YahooGroup
Subject: [STMFC] HO Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefer kits
 
 



Sorry, I overlooked adding "Please respond Off-List to me at ".
-Andy


Hello-
I have 3 mint new old stock Red Caboose factory decorated Mather Meat Reefer kits which I am offering for purchase. All 3 are factory new, and have undisturbed, tissue wrapped contents.
 
RC 1014-2  M-I-D Packing Co Mather Meat Reefer MONX #1033
Same, RC  1014-3 MONX #1036
Same, RC 1014-5 1014-5 MONX #1044
 
I also have 2 with some modest shelf wear on the boxes.
RC 1001-d M.R.R.X. #2641 Mather Meat Reefer
RC 1005-4 Morrell #2765 Mather Meat Reefer
 
Offered at $19 each. Shipping is $2.85 and up. I accept checks and money orders. for a small fee I also accept PayPal.
 
There is some doubt that the new owners of Red Caboose, Intermountain Railway Co., will ever offer these cars in the future, as I have had explained to me that IM feels that they have "too many wood reefers".
Thanks,
 
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
 
 







Looking for Gary Frost

ron christensen
 

I have lost Gary Frost's E mail if he is on this Yahoo list please get in touch with me.

Ron Christensen


HO Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefer kits

Andy Carlson
 



Sorry, I overlooked adding "Please respond Off-List to me at ".
-Andy


Hello-
I have 3 mint new old stock Red Caboose factory decorated Mather Meat Reefer kits which I am offering for purchase. All 3 are factory new, and have undisturbed, tissue wrapped contents.

RC 1014-2  M-I-D Packing Co Mather Meat Reefer MONX #1033
Same, RC  1014-3 MONX #1036
Same, RC 1014-5 1014-5 MONX #1044

I also have 2 with some modest shelf wear on the boxes.
RC 1001-d M.R.R.X. #2641 Mather Meat Reefer
RC 1005-4 Morrell #2765 Mather Meat Reefer

Offered at $19 each. Shipping is $2.85 and up. I accept checks and money orders. for a small fee I also accept PayPal.

There is some doubt that the new owners of Red Caboose, Intermountain Railway Co., will ever offer these cars in the future, as I have had explained to me that IM feels that they have "too many wood reefers".
Thanks,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA









HO Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefer kits

Andy Carlson
 



Hello-
I have 3 mint new old stock Red Caboose factory decorated Mather Meat Reefer kits which I am offering for purchase. All 3 are factory new, and have undisturbed, tissue wrapped contents.

RC 1014-2  M-I-D Packing Co Mather Meat Reefer MONX #1033
Same, RC  1014-3 MONX #1036
Same, RC 1014-5 1014-5 MONX #1044

I also have 2 with some modest shelf wear on the boxes.
RC 1001-d M.R.R.X. #2641 Mather Meat Reefer
RC 1005-4 Morrell #2765 Mather Meat Reefer

Offered at $19 each. Shipping is $2.85 and up. I accept checks and money orders. for a small fee I also accept PayPal.

There is some doubt that the new owners of Red Caboose, Intermountain Railway Co., will ever offer these cars in the future, as I have had explained to me that IM feels that they have "too many wood reefers".
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA






Re: B&O O-27c trucks

anthony wagner
 

Hey, why not use Bowser's 70 ton Crown trucks? They're accurate for PRR. Tony Wagner


On Sunday, March 19, 2017 12:33 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Comparing the Tahoe 50-ton USRA Andrews truck to the longer Accurail version, could the Accurail truck be used as a 70-ton Andrews truck?

Bill Welch



Re: Putting AB brakes on Tichy 40' flats

Justin May
 

> I'd like to replace the K brakes on the Tichy flats with AB's and would be interested in suggestions on how to do it.I have drawings of the AB system but I'd like to hear from someone who has already done this. TIA

Bob,
I've been building several flat cars of ACL heritage which have the the KC brakes replaced with AB brakes. I've written up some of my progress and have several photos of my models in progress on my blog.


In order to obtain the additional bracing used on the AB brake reservoir, you may also want to purchase Tichy part 3013, their AB brake set. Part #21 on the sprue is the additional bracing.


It includes many additional parts as well. I've not plumbed my AB brake systems, but their placement is based upon several photos and plans I have in my collection.

Justin May

 

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