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Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I understand that this material, known by a variety of names such as Scotchlite, reflective tape, reflective delineators, etc., has been in general use on freight cars and locomotives since the mid-1950s.

 

Can anyone confirm that Scotchlight delineators were introduced on Great Northern box cars in 1944?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: HO Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefer kits

Ken Roth
 

Another detail that is lacking is the correct end sill and poling pocket castings on the RC kits.  This is much more work to correct (especially if you are building a fleet) than the details mentioned.  Ask me how I know this .....  A quick look at the PFE reefer book will show quickly what's missing there.

    Ken Roth


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Tony Thompson
 

     I am told that the containers of cars are at the Port of Los Angeles, awaiting customs clearance. Can take anywhere from a few to six weeks. So they should arrive to dealers in late April or early May.

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Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    Happened by BLI site a few minutes ago and see that this car is totally sold out.  Not sure how the sales are distributed (individuals or shops) but seems to indicate  demand for this type/era of tank.


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Modeling A Hot Box

thecitrusbelt@...
 

As some of you know, State Highway 99 in the California Central Valley still parallels the former Southern Pacific (now UP) mainline in many areas. Years ago while traveling that route I saw a hotbox on an SP beet train going in my same direction.

 

It was quite a sight with bright flames and sparks shooting from a damaged journal, trailing black and gray smoke for a hundred yards or more.

 

I've though about modeling a lot of things but never a hotbox...until now.

 

The First Quarter 2017 issue of the free on-line NYC Modeler has a detailed, richly illustrated article by Dean Apostal on just such a project, starting on Page 29. Here is the link:

 

https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/nycentralmodeler_2016_4q2.pdf

 

And to see a hotbox on a model freight train, check out this link:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z969DN_gjE

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Tahoe trucks with High Detail semi-scale wheels

Andy Carlson
 

Will the person who last week asked me about Tahoe Trucks with High Detail code 88 semi-scale wheel sets please contact me at I inadvertently deleted your email before I could respond. I can fill your requested numbers.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: painting NP reefers

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote :


Certainly can't dispute photographic evidence. Thanks.

Dennis Storzek


Re: painting NP reefers

Ted Culotta
 

I will second what Bob stated based upon the FOFC photos as well as other prototype photos that I looked through. While they are black & white images, there is a distinct difference between the values of the kick plate area and the hardware.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: painting NP reefers

Kemal Mumcu
 


Re: RC PFE Reefers was Re: HO Red Caboose Mather Meat Reefer kits

Fred Jansz
 

Besides a well detailed (low) R-30-12 for all the 'old timers' (pre 1939 rebuild) I'd like to see a well detailed (tall) 9-series reefer (>1939). This was the largest & longest surviving batch after the rebuild program. A well detailed R-30/40-9 body could also be used for a variety of PFE kitbashes.
cheers, Fred Jansz


Re: painting NP reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

True, Tony, but the photos I cited show black hardware, without any "kick plate" painted below the door. The 91000 series steel cars shown on the next page don't have black hardware, but DO have black frame tabs... with the area between the frame tab and the bottom of the door being yellow. I'd leave it off. It'll be a lot easier to add it later if better documentation comes to light, than to take it off…


   I understand your point, though I doubt that steel reefers tell us anything definitive about painting of wood reefers. There are certainly ample photos, unfortunately in black and white, of NP wood reefers in the 1940s and into the 1950s with SOME color of kick plate, along with side hardware which I assume to be black. I am quite serious in stating that I don't think body color for the kick plate in my modeling year of 1953 is viable. I merely want to know WHAT color .

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Re: painting NP reefers

np328
 

I need to do a bit of research before I reply, however I will state, heed Tony's words on " But before the early 1950s, nearly all reefers DID have the kick plates a contrasting (dark) color. So it is entirely era-dependent. There can be no general answer", and the photos I am looking through support Tony fully.

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Re: painting NP reefers

npin53
 

Freight car red/oxide.  

I added a photo to the photos section, of a car that was part of an interior wall of a demolished building.  3/4 of the car was pristine.  

If this area of the car was black, someone show me another shot.  Only the door hardware was black, as far as what I can gather.

Only took 10 hours for my last message to post.  ??????

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: Sand Loads in HO?

Michael Gross
 

Arizona Rock and Mineral makes a great product, so I’m sure the final load looks great.  Do post a photo when you get time so we can see the final result.

Cheers!


Re: painting NP reefers

Robert Heninger
 

Group,

FWIW, there are several photos of the NP 90000 series refrigerator cars in FOFC Vol. 8. I see a distinct tonal difference between the "kick plate" and the door hardware, which was black. I'd say Bill got his models right, and the kick plates were freight car red. 

I don't have any color photos of these cars, at least in the era I'm interested in, pre- 1950. I'd welcome any definitive proof as to the color of the kick plate, when it is painted a contrasting color from the yellow side.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: Shipping Coal - How Far?

Dave Parker
 

Randy:

Since you are specifically interested in New England coal traffic, I suggest the 1942 paper by Voskuil.  It also contains some interesting data on Great Lakes traffic.

It can be found free of charge at:


Best regards,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



On Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:40 PM, "randy@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I didn't look at Arkansas or Montana in my other post. This book only tabulates totals of at least 10,000 tons, so smaller amounts won't be included. In the case of mining products the threshold is 50,000 tons.

Arkansas - (Products of Mines other than Petroleum 1950)
CA - 50,000 tons 
OR - 200,000 tons
WA - none listed

Montana (Products of Mines 1950, so it includes petroleum this time)
WA - 100,000 tons
CA - 350,000 tons
OR - none listed

Randy
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Re: painting NP reefers

ROGER HINMAN
 

I just posted a photo of the lower door area ofa surviving car at a museum in Toppenish Wa. The paint is well worn, but it does look like thee are traces of red.

Roger Hinman


Re: painting NP reefers

Dennis Storzek
 


True, Tony, but the photos I cited show black hardware, without any "kick plate" painted below the door. The 91000 series steel cars shown on the next page don't have black hardware, but DO have black frame tabs... with the area between the frame tab and the bottom of the door being yellow. I'd leave it off. It'll be a lot easier to add it later if better documentation comes to light, than to take it off...
Dennis Storzek

---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Has it occurred to anyone that the area below the doors didn't necessarily have to be painted a contrasting color?


     Of course, Dennis, and during the 1950s most reefer owners stopped painting side details in contrasting colors (door hardware, kick plates, ladders and grab irons, sill steps). It all became body color, obviously an economy move if nothing else.
      But before the early 1950s, nearly all reefers DID have the kick plates a contrasting (dark) color. So it is entirely era-dependent. There can be no general answer.

Tony Thompson 






Re: painting NP reefers

npin53
 

I can look through some books tonight.  Will try to find a clear color photo.

W&R painted that area black on their factory decorated brass models.

Maybe Jim Dick will chime in.

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: painting NP reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

Has it occurred to anyone that the area below the doors didn't necessarily have to be painted a contrasting color?


     Of course, Dennis, and during the 1950s most reefer owners stopped painting side details in contrasting colors (door hardware, kick plates, ladders and grab irons, sill steps). It all became body color, obviously an economy move if nothing else.
      But before the early 1950s, nearly all reefers DID have the kick plates a contrasting (dark) color. So it is entirely era-dependent. There can be no general answer.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





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