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Re: FtDDM&S 11000-11066

destorzek@...
 




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Thanks for the tip, Al. Comparing the car in that photo with those of DT&I cars shows an exact match in full side view. 

A view of an end for the FtDDM&S cars would clinch it since the DT&I cars had the rare Hutchins ends with tapered-end rather then squared-off-end bar stampings. 


Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

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While it's always possible that there is an undocumented variant of the Hutchins end, All that I've seen have only ONE pressing per panel; so an end with five panels would show four lap seams at the corner flange. The picture in the Maywald book only appears to show one, so I would tend to think the car does NOT have Hutchins ends.

Dennis Storzek


Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

riverman_vt@...
 

Thank you very much, Eric. That's all that needs to be said as I'm more than happy, 
and have the patience, to read your report when it is made available to everyone.
Thank you also for the effort made to prepare it.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Eric Hansmann
 

I have just a small correction to John's event summary. Will Jamison had the presentation on transporting wide steel plates. Nick Fry had an equally interesting presentation on Trains and Boats: Researching Rail-Marine Interfaces. 

Renewing friendships and meeting new people, like John, are a great benefit of prototype modeler meets. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:22 PM, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Bill,

A number of presenters mentioned folks to whom they were indebted, including you.  I finally got to meet Eric, although at the Blenko's layout on Sunday rather than in the midst of the meet.  Sharon of F&C lamented that they only brought 5 of their X37s.  They were long gone by the time I got in the vendor room.  Ted Culotta's clinic showed me how to look at photos a little differently and see more detail.  Nick Fry's, although mostly about modern equipment, gave me a better appreciation on the loading of steel plate.  I was able to give him a still of CB&Q gons unloading plate at the Richmond CA shipyard.  GN loader scheme, glacier green, and big sky blue post date my 44-45 modeling era.  (Yes, sometimes it pays even if its not your era, more $$ in my pocket with what not to buy, like ACL cars with conspicuocity paint.)  I even learned a few research tips in what was probably the most poised presentation of the meet.  A young gentleman who had just gotten his driver's licence out presented many of the folks I've dealt with in my professional capacity over the last 40 years.  HS sophomore Charlie Blenko did a super job on researching abandoned branch lines.

All in all, a good time.  Now to get my clinic done for the East Coast Santa Fe Modelers. . .
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Eric Hansmann
 

Jack Consoli and Dave Wilson displayed their Union Railroad models. Jack presented an in-depth summary of the URR freight car fleet. Dave offered a presentation that covered many tips and techniques to build models you need, including brass bashing. I think I heard a gasp or two among the crowd when Dave showed how he converted a brass NYC B-11 switcher to a URR loco.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:42 PM, 'Gatwood, Elden J CIV CESAW CESAD (US)' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Bill;

I heard there were 2 great presentations and a large display of modeling, at least 2 modelers, for the Union RR in and around Pgh, PA. The display (I have seen pics) had numerous hoppers, gons, and a box car and flat, cabooses, plus steam and diesel power, for this up-to-now almost unmodelled, and very interesting RR. This must've been a sizable multi-year effort to get to this point.

As you know, the steel-mill RR's have been notoriously poorly discussed, researched, and modeled, for many years, and it is good to hear some of this vacuum is being addressed. I hope there is more, for this undermodeled area of our hobby.

EJ&E, anyone?

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

I heard there were 2 great presentations and a large display of modeling, at least 2 modelers, for the Union RR in and around Pgh, PA. The display (I have seen pics) had numerous hoppers, gons, and a box car and flat, cabooses, plus steam and diesel power, for this up-to-now almost unmodelled, and very interesting RR. This must've been a sizable multi-year effort to get to this point.

As you know, the steel-mill RR's have been notoriously poorly discussed, researched, and modeled, for many years, and it is good to hear some of this vacuum is being addressed. I hope there is more, for this undermodeled area of our hobby.

EJ&E, anyone?

Elden Gatwood


From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...&g t;
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RPM Meet In Pennsylvania



Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock


Bill Welch


Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

John Barry
 

Bill,

A number of presenters mentioned folks to whom they were indebted, including you.  I finally got to meet Eric, although at the Blenko's layout on Sunday rather than in the midst of the meet.  Sharon of F&C lamented that they only brought 5 of their X37s.  They were long gone by the time I got in the vendor room.  Ted Culotta's clinic showed me how to look at photos a little differently and see more detail.  Nick Fry's, although mostly about modern equipment, gave me a better appreciation on the loading of steel plate.  I was able to give him a still of CB&Q gons unloading plate at the Richmond CA shipyard.  GN loader scheme, glacier green, and big sky blue post date my 44-45 modeling era.  (Yes, sometimes it pays even if its not your era, more $$ in my pocket with what not to buy, like ACL cars with conspicuocity paint.)  I even learned a few research tips in what was probably the most poised presentation of the meet.  A young gentleman who had just gotten his driver's licence out presented many of the folks I've dealt with in my professional capacity over the last 40 years.  HS sophomore Charlie Blenko did a super job on researching abandoned branch lines.

All in all, a good time.  Now to get my clinic done for the East Coast Santa Fe Modelers. . .
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

 
I spent most of yesterday hammering images into shape and uploading them to a gallery. We want to send the link to attendees for a first look before sharing it with YahooGroups, Facebook, and other platforms. It's a small thank you for attending the meet.
Here's what I recall from a blurry couple of days. F&C will have a Union Railroad hopper available soon. Spring Mills Depot is hoping their B&O I-1 cabooses make progress towards manufacture.They are close to final production on a previously announced model then the cabooses. If you want one of these HO scale caboose models, preorder now. There were quite a few solid clinics, including a neat history of a forgotten 5 mile local Pennsy coal branch that was presented by a 16 year old. 
The final headcount was 202, which was an increase from the 2015 attendance of 160. 436 models were displayed. There were 38 presentations and 44 vendor tables. I thought the models were quite diverse. My eight 1926 era freight cars were beside late SP diesels that were extensively detailed and one was extensively weathered. There were a few O scale models, several N scale models, structures, and vehicles to go along with the usual loco and freight car displays. 
As an event committee member, I did not get the chance to see everything I had hoped. There were unexpected things to take care of and I tried to check on many presenters before they started so all was good to go with their tech connections. I had many very good conversations with lots of different people. 
I couple this event with family visits in the region as return trips to Pittsburgh are infrequent. I've been enjoying a few days at my brother's place with my boisterous nieces and nephew. I'll see my daughter and granddaughter tomorrow.

Lastly, Primanti Brother's sammiches are still on the large side.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On March 28, 2017 at 8:31 AM "f! gexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock

Bill Welch





Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Eric Hansmann
 

I spent most of yesterday hammering images into shape and uploading them to a gallery. We want to send the link to attendees for a first look before sharing it with YahooGroups, Facebook, and other platforms. It's a small thank you for attending the meet.

Here's what I recall from a blurry couple of days. F&C will have a Union Railroad hopper available soon. Spring Mills Depot is hoping their B&O I-1 cabooses make progress towards manufacture.They are close to final production on a previously announced model then the cabooses. If you want one of these HO scale caboose models, preorder now. There were quite a few solid clinics, including a neat history of a forgotten 5 mile local Pennsy coal branch that was presented by a 16 year old. 

The final headcount was 202, which was an increase from the 2015 attendance of 160. 436 models were displayed. There were 38 presentations and 44 vendor tables. I thought the models were quite diverse. My eight 1926 era freight cars were beside late SP diesels that were extensively detailed and one was extensively weathered. There were a few O scale models, several N scale models, structures, and vehicles to go along with the usual loco and freight car displays. 

As an event committee member, I did not get the chance to see everything I had hoped. There were unexpected things to take care of and I tried to check on many presenters before they started so all was good to go with their tech connections. I had many very good conversations with lots of different people. 

I couple this event with family visits in the region as return trips to Pittsburgh are infrequent. I've been enjoying a few days at my brother's place with my boisterous nieces and nephew. I'll see my daughter and granddaughter tomorrow.


Lastly, Primanti Brother's sammiches are still on the large side.


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 28, 2017 at 8:31 AM "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock

Bill Welch



Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Brian Carlson
 

Actually I've seen lots of nice stuff that didn't exist until after the cut off of this list so I presume that is why it wasn't mentioned here. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:31 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.


tick-tock

Bill Welch


Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

erick johnson
 

Bill so you are entitled to a report somehow. 
what happens when your tick-tock clock runs out?
pushy Mr. Important
Erick Johnson


Re: FtDDM&S 11000-11066

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks for the tip, Al. Comparing the car in that photo with those of DT&I cars shows an exact match in full side view. 

A view of an end for the FtDDM&S cars would clinch it since the DT&I cars had the rare Hutchins ends with tapered-end rather then squared-off-end bar stampings. 


Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:38 PM, abrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

There's a photo of FtDDM&S 11052 in Maywald, "Classic Freight Cars vol 7", p 25.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Todd Horton
 

You should have been there :-)   JK
 
Todd Horton



From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

 
Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock

Bill Welch



Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Bill Welch
 

Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock

Bill Welch


Re: Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

Stuart Forsyth
 

Hi Garth,

Any chance you could post or share these photos?  I'm particularly interested in any in-service shots and the one near San Bernadino.

Thanks!

Stuart A. Forsyth

On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger,

Train Miniature also offered a double-sheathed version of the 3M car in HO, and I think a wood kit was available in the Silver Streak line at one time. My own model, now long gone, was done on a TM body with Champ decals.

Some of the 3M cars ended up on blocks as storage sheds. I have an undated photo of some of these, I think taken near San Bernardino. Can you tell us what product they carried, and over what routes they usually ran?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/28/17 6:26 AM, roger39perkins@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

The correct name is SCOTCHLITE brand versus SCOTCHLIGHT.  I retired from 3M in 2005 after 28 years; during that time I consulted with the divisions that manufactured this product line.

During that time, the 3M employee newspaper printed a photo of a 3M boxcar with this reflective sheeting on it.

As an n-scale modeler and fan of MTL, I sent a copy to them and suggested they rerun the 3M boxcar that had been released previously. 

MTL did a rerun of a similar car.

The 3M car in question was double sheath style.


Posted by: roger39perkins@...











Re: Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Roger,

Train Miniature also offered a double-sheathed version of the 3M car in HO, and I think a wood kit was available in the Silver Streak line at one time. My own model, now long gone, was done on a TM body with Champ decals.

Some of the 3M cars ended up on blocks as storage sheds. I have an undated photo of some of these, I think taken near San Bernardino. Can you tell us what product they carried, and over what routes they usually ran?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/28/17 6:26 AM, roger39perkins@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

The correct name is SCOTCHLITE brand versus SCOTCHLIGHT.  I retired from 3M in 2005 after 28 years; during that time I consulted with the divisions that manufactured this product line.

During that time, the 3M employee newspaper printed a photo of a 3M boxcar with this reflective sheeting on it.

As an n-scale modeler and fan of MTL, I sent a copy to them and suggested they rerun the 3M boxcar that had been released previously. 

MTL did a rerun of a similar car.

The 3M car in question was double sheath style.


Posted by: roger39perkins@...











Re: Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

Roger Perkins
 

"For over 50 years, Scothlite lettering has been a hallmark of the Union Pacific paint scheme. It is believed that the first use of Scotchlite by the UP on rolling equipment was on some diesel yard switchers in mid-1951. By 1953, UP was also applying Scotchlite to road diesels and turbines, passenger cars and new cabooses. At least up until 1980, UP did not apply Scotchlite to their freight cars.

It has been over 65 years since the 3M Company (Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing Co.) of St. Paul, Minnesota, developed the light reflective material Scotchlite. That material has found nighttime safety uses on items ranging from shoes, jackets, raincoats and hardhats to highway signs and safety cones to life rafts to school buses and truck chassis to railroad cars and locomotives.

Initial development work at 3M started in the latter 1930s as a search for a way to make highway lane divider stripes more visible at night. First, they had to figure out how to make the tiny glass spheres to be used as reflectors, and then they searched for a way to adhere them to the highway surface. That second problem resulted in several failures. But in the midst of trying, it was suggested that the material would more easily stick to signs. And thus, Scotchlite reflective sheeting was commercially born in 1938. The first traffic sign using Scotchlite went up in 1939 in Minneapolis."  Found online by Google search article from 2015.


Re: Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

Roger Perkins
 

The original 3M car from MTL was released in February 1975 and the re-release was November 1999.


Re: Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

Roger Perkins
 

The correct name is SCOTCHLITE brand versus SCOTCHLIGHT.  I retired from 3M in 2005 after 28 years; during that time I consulted with the divisions that manufactured this product line.

During that time, the 3M employee newspaper printed a photo of a 3M boxcar with this reflective sheeting on it.

As an n-scale modeler and fan of MTL, I sent a copy to them and suggested they rerun the 3M boxcar that had been released previously. 

MTL did a rerun of a similar car.

The 3M car in question was double sheath style.


Re: FtDDM&S 11000-11066

al_brown03
 

There's a photo of FtDDM&S 11052 in Maywald, "Classic Freight Cars vol 7", p 25.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


FtDDM&S 11000-11066

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, Everyone...


Can someone point me to a published photo, or share a scan of a box car in FtDDM&S 11000-11066? I would like to confirm whether or not cars in this series were renumbered out of DT&I 17000-17999. The dimensions are an exact match in the ORER and the FtDDM&S cars appear in the ORER just as the DT&I cars are being heavily retired. Or, perhaps someone has documentation that supports or rejects this connection?


Thanks in advance,

Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL


Re: old book for sale

Eric Lombard
 

What is the title of the book you have for sale?

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 3:51 PM, smuel10363@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

1945 book loaded with drawings and pictures.draft-gear attachments , draf gears and box cars  80 pages.$15 includes shipping reply to smuel10363@...


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