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Re: NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

gary laakso
 

Richard, thank you very much for sharing these really fine pictures.  I do like the 3rd picture featuring the wood piece added on the outside of the end of the car.

 

Gary Laakso

South of Mike Brock

 

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More box car photos on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist
Pat (Richard) McKnight;

Today: Multiple views of CNR 45432,
a 36ft double-sheathed box car built by Rhodes & Curry at Amherst.
Nova Scotia, Jun 1903[?]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1556.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1557.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1558.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1559.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1560.jpg

Daily index page at: http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-29-17

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

Richard Brennan
 

More box car photos on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight;

Today: Multiple views of CNR 45432,
a 36ft double-sheathed box car built by Rhodes & Curry at Amherst. Nova Scotia, Jun 1903[?]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1556.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1557.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1558.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1559.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1560.jpg

Daily index page at: http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-29-17


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

Aley, Jeff A
 

It’s truck-dependent.  See http://www.reboxx.com/Documents/Wheelsets/33%20Application%20Chart.pdf .

 

I don’t think The Tool changes the required axle length enough to require a different size.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Subject: [STMFC] Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

 

 

Hi all,

 

  This group seems to be the best that I'm a member of that can answer

this question - although it isn't directly related to steam era freight cars

it is related to using models of same.  Moderator/owner please indulge.

 

  ===> Does any one have an axle length that they like to use for

           trucks you have used "The Tool" on (the truck ream that

           is used to improve the rolling characteristics of plastic

           freight car trucks).

 

  For instance - have you found that a .998 axle works best

after you've reamed your trucks?  Some other size?  Does

it still depend upon the specific truck?

 

  I have been using truck reams for a long time.  I'm going to

be replacing some (a lot?) of my wheelsets with Code 88

and would like to be able to purchase "mostly just one size".

                                                                                  - Jim B.

Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,


  This group seems to be the best that I'm a member of that can answer

this question - although it isn't directly related to steam era freight cars

it is related to using models of same.  Moderator/owner please indulge.


  ===> Does any one have an axle length that they like to use for

           trucks you have used "The Tool" on (the truck ream that

           is used to improve the rolling characteristics of plastic

           freight car trucks).


  For instance - have you found that a .998 axle works best

after you've reamed your trucks?  Some other size?  Does

it still depend upon the specific truck?


  I have been using truck reams for a long time.  I'm going to

be replacing some (a lot?) of my wheelsets with Code 88

and would like to be able to purchase "mostly just one size".

                                                                                  - Jim B.

Re: Refrigerator Details

Tony Thompson
 

Another question; I have been painting the hinges on the icing hatches "old silver"  to represent hot dipped galvanized steel. Was that finish actually used on reefer icing hatch parts? Or was the steel just painted?


     For many years, iron parts on reefers were painted black. I would doubt any were unpainted.


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Refrigerator Details

Louis Van Winkle
 

Hi,


I am hand painting details and weathering some G gauge USA Trains refrigerator cars with wood sides and truss rods. One car, Oconto Brewing, came with a built date of 1930. That seems quite late for a truss rod type car. When were truss rod cars last commonly built? Was truss rod construction ever outlawed?


Another question; I have been painting the hinges on the icing hatches "old silver"  to represent hot dipped galvanized steel. Was that finish actually used on reefer icing hatch parts? Or was the steel just painted?


Thanks,


Lou Van Winkle

Mundelein, IL

Re: new Tangent GATX acid tanks

Robert Heninger
 

Andy,

Yes, the undec kits provide both styles of bolster ends/poling pockets. In the directions it tells you to choose which ones are correct for your prototype.

I can't help you on the other question.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND

Re: new Tangent GATX acid tanks

Bill Welch
 

new Tangent GATX acid tanks

Andy Cich
 

Tangent announced new GATX acid tank cars in 1949 and 1951 versions. The difference in the cars is in the truck bolster ends. I can see the difference in the Hooker and Diamond photos.

 

http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-8000-gallon-acid-welded-tank-car/

 

And, Dan Kohlberg announced decal sets for these cars. Included are lessee stencils for Dow, Olin, Dupont, Stauffer, and Diamond.

 

http://paducah.home.mindspring.com/ga21.htm

 

This leads me to two questions. Hopefully Dave Lehlbach and Dan Kohlberg can answer.

 

First, does the Tangent undecorated kit cover both versions?

 

Second, which version is appropriate for Dow, Olin, Dupont, Stauffer, and Diamond?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Andy Cich

 

Re: Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Would Stuart Forsyth please contact me off-list at sarahsan@... .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



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Re: FtDDM&S 11000-11066

Eric Lombard
 

Dennis, Everyone...

Apparently, there WERE Hutchins end stampings with two pressings per panel, the pressings of a different shape than the one-per-panel type: tapered ends rather than squared off (That is, if the end shown in the photos I'm uploading are properly called "Hutchins" as is the case in the model press). Photos of DT&I 17000 series cars all show this end. The best that I have would not be legal on the STMFC Site. Ron Christensen just turned up an AFE for the purchase of 49 of these cars from DT&I "17xxx" to FtDDM&S 11000-11049 dated 6/29/59.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:34 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 




---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Thanks for the tip, Al. Comparing the car in that photo with those of DT&I cars shows an exact match in full side view. 

A view of an end for the FtDDM&S cars would clinch it since the DT&I cars had the rare Hutchins ends with tapered-end rather then squared-off-end bar stampings. 


Eri! c Lombard
Homewood, IL

=================

While it's always possible that there is an undocumented variant of the Hutchins end, All that I've seen have only ONE pressing per panel; so an end with five panels would show four lap seams at the corner flange. The picture in the Maywald book only appears to show one, so I would tend to think the car does NOT have Hutchins ends.

Dennis Storzek


Re: FtDDM&S 11000-11066

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <elombard@...> wrote :

Thanks for the tip, Al. Comparing the car in that photo with those of DT&I cars shows an exact match in full side view. 

A view of an end for the FtDDM&S cars would clinch it since the DT&I cars had the rare Hutchins ends with tapered-end rather then squared-off-end bar stampings. 


Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

=================

While it's always possible that there is an undocumented variant of the Hutchins end, All that I've seen have only ONE pressing per panel; so an end with five panels would show four lap seams at the corner flange. The picture in the Maywald book only appears to show one, so I would tend to think the car does NOT have Hutchins ends.

Dennis Storzek

Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Donald B. Valentine
 

Thank you very much, Eric. That's all that needs to be said as I'm more than happy, 
and have the patience, to read your report when it is made available to everyone.
Thank you also for the effort made to prepare it.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Eric Hansmann
 

I have just a small correction to John's event summary. Will Jamison had the presentation on transporting wide steel plates. Nick Fry had an equally interesting presentation on Trains and Boats: Researching Rail-Marine Interfaces. 

Renewing friendships and meeting new people, like John, are a great benefit of prototype modeler meets. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:22 PM, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Bill,

A number of presenters mentioned folks to whom they were indebted, including you.  I finally got to meet Eric, although at the Blenko's layout on Sunday rather than in the midst of the meet.  Sharon of F&C lamented that they only brought 5 of their X37s.  They were long gone by the time I got in the vendor room.  Ted Culotta's clinic showed me how to look at photos a little differently and see more detail.  Nick Fry's, although mostly about modern equipment, gave me a better appreciation on the loading of steel plate.  I was able to give him a still of CB&Q gons unloading plate at the Richmond CA shipyard.  GN loader scheme, glacier green, and big sky blue post date my 44-45 modeling era.  (Yes, sometimes it pays even if its not your era, more $$ in my pocket with what not to buy, like ACL cars with conspicuocity paint.)  I even learned a few research tips in what was probably the most poised presentation of the meet.  A young gentleman who had just gotten his driver's licence out presented many of the folks I've dealt with in my professional capacity over the last 40 years.  HS sophomore Charlie Blenko did a super job on researching abandoned branch lines.

All in all, a good time.  Now to get my clinic done for the East Coast Santa Fe Modelers. . .
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Eric Hansmann
 

Jack Consoli and Dave Wilson displayed their Union Railroad models. Jack presented an in-depth summary of the URR freight car fleet. Dave offered a presentation that covered many tips and techniques to build models you need, including brass bashing. I think I heard a gasp or two among the crowd when Dave showed how he converted a brass NYC B-11 switcher to a URR loco.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:42 PM, 'Gatwood, Elden J CIV CESAW CESAD (US)' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Bill;

I heard there were 2 great presentations and a large display of modeling, at least 2 modelers, for the Union RR in and around Pgh, PA. The display (I have seen pics) had numerous hoppers, gons, and a box car and flat, cabooses, plus steam and diesel power, for this up-to-now almost unmodelled, and very interesting RR. This must've been a sizable multi-year effort to get to this point.

As you know, the steel-mill RR's have been notoriously poorly discussed, researched, and modeled, for many years, and it is good to hear some of this vacuum is being addressed. I hope there is more, for this undermodeled area of our hobby.

EJ&E, anyone?

Elden Gatwood

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

I heard there were 2 great presentations and a large display of modeling, at least 2 modelers, for the Union RR in and around Pgh, PA. The display (I have seen pics) had numerous hoppers, gons, and a box car and flat, cabooses, plus steam and diesel power, for this up-to-now almost unmodelled, and very interesting RR. This must've been a sizable multi-year effort to get to this point.

As you know, the steel-mill RR's have been notoriously poorly discussed, researched, and modeled, for many years, and it is good to hear some of this vacuum is being addressed. I hope there is more, for this undermodeled area of our hobby.

EJ&E, anyone?

Elden Gatwood


From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...&g t;
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RPM Meet In Pennsylvania



Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock


Bill Welch

Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

John Barry
 

Bill,

A number of presenters mentioned folks to whom they were indebted, including you.  I finally got to meet Eric, although at the Blenko's layout on Sunday rather than in the midst of the meet.  Sharon of F&C lamented that they only brought 5 of their X37s.  They were long gone by the time I got in the vendor room.  Ted Culotta's clinic showed me how to look at photos a little differently and see more detail.  Nick Fry's, although mostly about modern equipment, gave me a better appreciation on the loading of steel plate.  I was able to give him a still of CB&Q gons unloading plate at the Richmond CA shipyard.  GN loader scheme, glacier green, and big sky blue post date my 44-45 modeling era.  (Yes, sometimes it pays even if its not your era, more $$ in my pocket with what not to buy, like ACL cars with conspicuocity paint.)  I even learned a few research tips in what was probably the most poised presentation of the meet.  A young gentleman who had just gotten his driver's licence out presented many of the folks I've dealt with in my professional capacity over the last 40 years.  HS sophomore Charlie Blenko did a super job on researching abandoned branch lines.

All in all, a good time.  Now to get my clinic done for the East Coast Santa Fe Modelers. . .
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

 
I spent most of yesterday hammering images into shape and uploading them to a gallery. We want to send the link to attendees for a first look before sharing it with YahooGroups, Facebook, and other platforms. It's a small thank you for attending the meet.
Here's what I recall from a blurry couple of days. F&C will have a Union Railroad hopper available soon. Spring Mills Depot is hoping their B&O I-1 cabooses make progress towards manufacture.They are close to final production on a previously announced model then the cabooses. If you want one of these HO scale caboose models, preorder now. There were quite a few solid clinics, including a neat history of a forgotten 5 mile local Pennsy coal branch that was presented by a 16 year old. 
The final headcount was 202, which was an increase from the 2015 attendance of 160. 436 models were displayed. There were 38 presentations and 44 vendor tables. I thought the models were quite diverse. My eight 1926 era freight cars were beside late SP diesels that were extensively detailed and one was extensively weathered. There were a few O scale models, several N scale models, structures, and vehicles to go along with the usual loco and freight car displays. 
As an event committee member, I did not get the chance to see everything I had hoped. There were unexpected things to take care of and I tried to check on many presenters before they started so all was good to go with their tech connections. I had many very good conversations with lots of different people. 
I couple this event with family visits in the region as return trips to Pittsburgh are infrequent. I've been enjoying a few days at my brother's place with my boisterous nieces and nephew. I'll see my daughter and granddaughter tomorrow.

Lastly, Primanti Brother's sammiches are still on the large side.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On March 28, 2017 at 8:31 AM "f! gexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:



Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock

Bill Welch




Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Eric Hansmann
 

I spent most of yesterday hammering images into shape and uploading them to a gallery. We want to send the link to attendees for a first look before sharing it with YahooGroups, Facebook, and other platforms. It's a small thank you for attending the meet.

Here's what I recall from a blurry couple of days. F&C will have a Union Railroad hopper available soon. Spring Mills Depot is hoping their B&O I-1 cabooses make progress towards manufacture.They are close to final production on a previously announced model then the cabooses. If you want one of these HO scale caboose models, preorder now. There were quite a few solid clinics, including a neat history of a forgotten 5 mile local Pennsy coal branch that was presented by a 16 year old. 

The final headcount was 202, which was an increase from the 2015 attendance of 160. 436 models were displayed. There were 38 presentations and 44 vendor tables. I thought the models were quite diverse. My eight 1926 era freight cars were beside late SP diesels that were extensively detailed and one was extensively weathered. There were a few O scale models, several N scale models, structures, and vehicles to go along with the usual loco and freight car displays. 

As an event committee member, I did not get the chance to see everything I had hoped. There were unexpected things to take care of and I tried to check on many presenters before they started so all was good to go with their tech connections. I had many very good conversations with lots of different people. 

I couple this event with family visits in the region as return trips to Pittsburgh are infrequent. I've been enjoying a few days at my brother's place with my boisterous nieces and nephew. I'll see my daughter and granddaughter tomorrow.


Lastly, Primanti Brother's sammiches are still on the large side.


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


On March 28, 2017 at 8:31 AM "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Tick-tock, so there were NO new kits, decals, books at the Penn. RPM to report on, no presentations/clinics people thought were particularly good that the rest of us missed. Hard to believe.

tick-tock

Bill Welch