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Re: RPM Meet In Pennsylvania

Donald B. Valentine
 

Thank you very much, Eric. That's all that needs to be said as I'm more than happy, 
and have the patience, to read your report when it is made available to everyone.
Thank you also for the effort made to prepare it.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: FtDDM&S 11000-11066

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <elombard@...> wrote :

Thanks for the tip, Al. Comparing the car in that photo with those of DT&I cars shows an exact match in full side view. 

A view of an end for the FtDDM&S cars would clinch it since the DT&I cars had the rare Hutchins ends with tapered-end rather then squared-off-end bar stampings. 


Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

=================

While it's always possible that there is an undocumented variant of the Hutchins end, All that I've seen have only ONE pressing per panel; so an end with five panels would show four lap seams at the corner flange. The picture in the Maywald book only appears to show one, so I would tend to think the car does NOT have Hutchins ends.

Dennis Storzek

Re: FtDDM&S 11000-11066

Eric Lombard
 

Dennis, Everyone...

Apparently, there WERE Hutchins end stampings with two pressings per panel, the pressings of a different shape than the one-per-panel type: tapered ends rather than squared off (That is, if the end shown in the photos I'm uploading are properly called "Hutchins" as is the case in the model press). Photos of DT&I 17000 series cars all show this end. The best that I have would not be legal on the STMFC Site. Ron Christensen just turned up an AFE for the purchase of 49 of these cars from DT&I "17xxx" to FtDDM&S 11000-11049 dated 6/29/59.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:34 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 




---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Thanks for the tip, Al. Comparing the car in that photo with those of DT&I cars shows an exact match in full side view. 

A view of an end for the FtDDM&S cars would clinch it since the DT&I cars had the rare Hutchins ends with tapered-end rather then squared-off-end bar stampings. 


Eri! c Lombard
Homewood, IL

=================

While it's always possible that there is an undocumented variant of the Hutchins end, All that I've seen have only ONE pressing per panel; so an end with five panels would show four lap seams at the corner flange. The picture in the Maywald book only appears to show one, so I would tend to think the car does NOT have Hutchins ends.

Dennis Storzek


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Re: Reflective Tape For Freight Cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Would Stuart Forsyth please contact me off-list at sarahsan@... .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



new Tangent GATX acid tanks

Andy Cich
 

Tangent announced new GATX acid tank cars in 1949 and 1951 versions. The difference in the cars is in the truck bolster ends. I can see the difference in the Hooker and Diamond photos.

 

http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-8000-gallon-acid-welded-tank-car/

 

And, Dan Kohlberg announced decal sets for these cars. Included are lessee stencils for Dow, Olin, Dupont, Stauffer, and Diamond.

 

http://paducah.home.mindspring.com/ga21.htm

 

This leads me to two questions. Hopefully Dave Lehlbach and Dan Kohlberg can answer.

 

First, does the Tangent undecorated kit cover both versions?

 

Second, which version is appropriate for Dow, Olin, Dupont, Stauffer, and Diamond?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Andy Cich

 

Re: new Tangent GATX acid tanks

Bill Welch
 

Re: new Tangent GATX acid tanks

Robert Heninger
 

Andy,

Yes, the undec kits provide both styles of bolster ends/poling pockets. In the directions it tells you to choose which ones are correct for your prototype.

I can't help you on the other question.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND

Refrigerator Details

Louis Van Winkle
 

Hi,


I am hand painting details and weathering some G gauge USA Trains refrigerator cars with wood sides and truss rods. One car, Oconto Brewing, came with a built date of 1930. That seems quite late for a truss rod type car. When were truss rod cars last commonly built? Was truss rod construction ever outlawed?


Another question; I have been painting the hinges on the icing hatches "old silver"  to represent hot dipped galvanized steel. Was that finish actually used on reefer icing hatch parts? Or was the steel just painted?


Thanks,


Lou Van Winkle

Mundelein, IL

Re: Refrigerator Details

Tony Thompson
 

Another question; I have been painting the hinges on the icing hatches "old silver"  to represent hot dipped galvanized steel. Was that finish actually used on reefer icing hatch parts? Or was the steel just painted?


     For many years, iron parts on reefers were painted black. I would doubt any were unpainted.


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Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,


  This group seems to be the best that I'm a member of that can answer

this question - although it isn't directly related to steam era freight cars

it is related to using models of same.  Moderator/owner please indulge.


  ===> Does any one have an axle length that they like to use for

           trucks you have used "The Tool" on (the truck ream that

           is used to improve the rolling characteristics of plastic

           freight car trucks).


  For instance - have you found that a .998 axle works best

after you've reamed your trucks?  Some other size?  Does

it still depend upon the specific truck?


  I have been using truck reams for a long time.  I'm going to

be replacing some (a lot?) of my wheelsets with Code 88

and would like to be able to purchase "mostly just one size".

                                                                                  - Jim B.

Re: Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

Aley, Jeff A
 

It’s truck-dependent.  See http://www.reboxx.com/Documents/Wheelsets/33%20Application%20Chart.pdf .

 

I don’t think The Tool changes the required axle length enough to require a different size.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

 

 

Hi all,

 

  This group seems to be the best that I'm a member of that can answer

this question - although it isn't directly related to steam era freight cars

it is related to using models of same.  Moderator/owner please indulge.

 

  ===> Does any one have an axle length that they like to use for

           trucks you have used "The Tool" on (the truck ream that

           is used to improve the rolling characteristics of plastic

           freight car trucks).

 

  For instance - have you found that a .998 axle works best

after you've reamed your trucks?  Some other size?  Does

it still depend upon the specific truck?

 

  I have been using truck reams for a long time.  I'm going to

be replacing some (a lot?) of my wheelsets with Code 88

and would like to be able to purchase "mostly just one size".

                                                                                  - Jim B.

NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

Richard Brennan
 

More box car photos on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight;

Today: Multiple views of CNR 45432,
a 36ft double-sheathed box car built by Rhodes & Curry at Amherst. Nova Scotia, Jun 1903[?]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1556.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1557.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1558.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1559.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1560.jpg

Daily index page at: http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-29-17


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

Re: NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

gary laakso
 

Richard, thank you very much for sharing these really fine pictures.  I do like the 3rd picture featuring the wood piece added on the outside of the end of the car.

 

Gary Laakso

South of Mike Brock

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

 

 

More box car photos on the ErieLack archive site...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist
Pat (Richard) McKnight;

Today: Multiple views of CNR 45432,
a 36ft double-sheathed box car built by Rhodes & Curry at Amherst.
Nova Scotia, Jun 1903[?]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1556.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1557.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1558.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1559.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-29-17/X1560.jpg

Daily index page at: http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-03-29-17

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

Re: Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

Douglas Harding
 

Jim I’ve been using the tool for years, and I have used Intermountain metal wheel sets since they came out. While axle lengths have been discussed at length, in my experience I have found it is not an issue in the major of the HO trucks I use. And for the few it is a problem, usually a better truck is available. Yes some slop back and forth a bit, but that adds to the character of the car, but does not add to rollability issues.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

 

 

It’s truck-dependent.  See http://www.reboxx.com/Documents/Wheelsets/33%20Application%20Chart.pdf .

 

I don’t think The Tool changes the required axle length enough to require a different size.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

 

 

Hi all,

 

  This group seems to be the best that I'm a member of that can answer

this question - although it isn't directly related to steam era freight cars

it is related to using models of same.  Moderator/owner please indulge.

 

  ===> Does any one have an axle length that they like to use for

           trucks you have used "The Tool" on (the truck ream that

           is used to improve the rolling characteristics of plastic

           freight car trucks).

 

  For instance - have you found that a .998 axle works best

after you've reamed your trucks?  Some other size?  Does

it still depend upon the specific truck?

 

  I have been using truck reams for a long time.  I'm going to

be replacing some (a lot?) of my wheelsets with Code 88

and would like to be able to purchase "mostly just one size".

                                                                                  - Jim B.

Re: NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

Dennis Storzek
 

You'll notice the draft sills and drawbar are laying inside the car, visible through the open door.

Dennis Storzek

Re: NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <vasa0vasa@...> wrote :

Richard, thank you very much for sharing these really fine pictures.  I do like the 3rd picture featuring the wood piece added on the outside of the end of the car.

 

Gary Laakso

South of Mike Brock

 =====================


That's the buffer block, the predecessor to the striker casting. It's purpose was to catch the coupler horn and transmit the buffing forces to the car frame if the coupler was hit so hard that the draft gear was completely compressed. As you can see, the one on the other end didn't work, and the draft gear tore the draft sills completely off the car.


Dennis Storzek

Re: NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

Douglas Harding
 

And notice the chain around the axle in the firsts image, no doubt used to tow the car into the yard after the drawbar failed.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 3:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NPS photos: Canadian National CNR - double-sheathed box car

 

 

You'll notice the draft sills and drawbar are laying inside the car, visible through the open door.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Refrigerator Details

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <louisvwin@...> wrote :

Hi,


I am hand painting details and weathering some G gauge USA Trains refrigerator cars with wood sides and truss rods. One car, Oconto Brewing, came with a built date of 1930. That seems quite late for a truss rod type car. When were truss rod cars last commonly built? Was truss rod construction ever outlawed?

===================


Truss rods weren't "outlawed" per se, but steel sills were required that had sufficient strength to not buckle under the forces transmitted through the train. Since these new, stronger sills were sufficiently strong to keep the car from sagging, the truss rods became superfluous. Some cars kept their rods when rebuilt with steel sills during the twenties, and some very few cars were built new with both just after WWI.


==================

Another question; I have been painting the hinges on the icing hatches "old silver"  to represent hot dipped galvanized steel. Was that finish actually used on reefer icing hatch parts? Or was the steel just painted?

==================

Most door hardware was cast malleable iron, a material that holds up quite well on its own, and was not galvanized.

Dennis Storzek