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Re: Flat Car Load Pictures of International Bulldozers

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote :

Bill others have already sent confirmation that crawler tractors were used in ag service. In my experience in Iowa, not so much. In Iowa crawler tractors were mostly construction equipment. Farmers in the mid-west preferred rubber tired tractors. In the past decade or so large farms have been using tracked tractors, but they have rubber tracks not metal tracks. I may be making assumptions but I believe several factors influenced the choice of farmers.

1)      The tracks were hard on road and bridge surfaces. Rubber tires were far less destructive, and easier to fix/repair.

2)      Crawler tractors are slow, a factor when moving from field to barn or when taking farm products to town for sale or shipment.

3)      Crawler tractors had more power than was needed on smaller farms. Midwest grain farms were small until past the time era of this list.

4)      Crawler tractors were expensive, esp diesel powered units. If you didn’t need it why spend money for it. Mid-west farmers are frugal

 

Well you get the idea. I think you had to be a very large farmer to justify the use of a crawler tractor in typical mid-west farm operations. The John Deere B or McCormick Deering Farmal (later IH) was the tractor of choice up through the mid 50s.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org



    In this nation most crawler tractors used on farms have remained fairly small in size if for no other reason than larger ones simply were rarely needed. I do not agree that they had more power than was needed on smaller farms. Small John Deere crawlers were popular for New England and many New York farmers for years

and the Oliver OC-4 provided excellent competition to them. Perhaps farmers in the northeast have always been more diversified than those elsewhere and that may shed some light on the subject. My family sold the

family dairy in the early 1950's but by the time I was in 10th grade in the late 1950's my school vacations 

were spent back on our former neighbors farm, where I'm sitting as this is typed but it is now house lots. By that time Bert had acquired an Oliver OC-4 with a six way blade and a winch that was a wonderful small dozer.

It was great for moving stones too big to be moved otherwise and it replaced a team of horse formerly used to

draw saw logs in the winter and a collecting tank mounted on a dray for sugaring in the spring. If a field were

really muddy in the late spring one could usually get onto it with a small crawler where one would risk getting stuck with a rubber tired tractor. I've worked driving a team of horses to draw logs and sugar and have always liked working with a good team. A good horse can think and that will sometimes keep one from getting into trouble where the same cannot be said for any crawler or tractor. But I always enjoyed the OC-4 as well and 

could get more done with it than with a two horse team. The horses had to be fed whether they were working 

or not while the crawler did not. But the capitalization was without question more expensive and as much as

I like an OC-4 or a John Deere 50, or even a newer 450, the machine just never provided the satisfaction of 

working with a good team. I feel that way about my Massey-Ferguson 35 Deluxe as well but it has served me

well for nearly forty years.


    In the Black Earth area of Southern Russia where my wife's family lives crawlers were the choice on the collective farms just because the soil was so soft and deep. Wheel tractors often became mired in soft soil

until the modern tractors became available with eight wheels on longer axles to spread their weight more. 

When we last visited I was pleased to pass three John Deere and five New Holland combines on the way to

the village to visit my father-in-law. And when the tractor station at the collective farm was passed there was the old Soviet combine, a real Rube Goldberg machine, rusting at the rear of it. Good farmers know good

equipment when they experience it no matter where in the world they are located. 


Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: CGW PS-0 car kit

Fred Jansz
 

One more if I may. Does anyone know the brake arrangement of these early 'PS-0' cars? I followed the underbody drawing of the F&C instructions which shows the AB-brake arrangement in the usual way: AB-valve opposite to the reservoir.

However, when I turned the page I saw a picture of a B&LE 'PS-0' that shows cylinder, AB-valve and resevoir all on one side of the car next to each other.
What would be the correct brake gear arrangement for the CGW-version I'm building?
Thanks.
Fred Jansz

Re: CGW PS-0 car kit

Ted Culotta
 

Fred,

You can contact the Illinois Railway Museum's library run by Ted Anderson to see if the have the brake arrangement drawing.

Cheers,
Ted Culotta

HO NYC enhanced 40' box car kit

Andy Carlson
 



Hello-
I have 3 HO Intermountain kits enhanced with replacement and additional parts for targeted accuracy. 500 New York Central 10'6" IH box cars built by the NYC in 9-45, NYC 162000-162499. Delivered with Apex running boards, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends, Ajax power brakes. 7-rung ladders and Barber S2 stabilized trucks with spring planks.  Has pre-war style of 5/6/5-T Youngstown Steel doors. Data supplied from Ed Hawkins' modified AAR box car lists (Thanks!).

Each undec kit will include:

1 #41899 "modified AAR boxcar" undec kit
1 Red Caboose rectangular panel Murphy roof
1 pair of Tahoe Model works Barber S2 spring plank trucks
4 IMRC wheel sets-the new "High Detail" semi-scale wheels with accurate backside wheel contour and thicker axles.
1 IMRC Apex photo-etched running board

No paint, decals or couplers are provided

Offered for $33/each, shipping by US 1st class mail included.
I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list @ for information.
thanks,
-Andy Carlson




SOLD: HO NYC enhanced 40' box car kits

Andy Carlson
 

All three have found new homes. Thanks Mike,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Hello-
I have 3 HO Intermountain kits enhanced with replacement and additional parts for targeted accuracy. 500 New York Central 10'6" IH box cars bu! ilt by the NYC in 9-45, NYC 162000-162499. Delivered with Apex running boards, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends, Ajax power brakes. 7-rung ladders and Barber S2 stabilized trucks with spring planks.  Has pre-war style of 5/6/5-T Youngstown Steel doors. Data supplied from Ed Hawkins' modified AAR box car lists (Thanks!).

Each undec kit will include:

1 #41899 "modified AAR boxcar" undec kit
1 Red Caboose rectangular panel Murphy roof
1 pair of Tahoe Model works Barber S2 spring plank trucks
4 IMRC wheel sets-the new "High Detail" semi-scale wheels with accurate backside wheel contour and thicker axles.
1 IMRC Apex photo-etched running board

No paint, decals or couplers are provided

Offered for $33/each, shipping by US 1st class mail included.
I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list @ for information.
thanks,
-Andy Carlson






Some Ebay 1950s slides of freight cars

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
A slide dealer I know well has about 30 freight car slides on Ebay, many which are 1950s and some 1960s shots. Go to Ebay, search "rrphotogs" and reduce search to "slides", then newly listed.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: CGW PS-0 car kit

Tim O'Connor
 


Every photo seems to show a different arrangement - I have TC, NKP, MRS photos.

If you can check Mainline Modeler, February 1988, p.40-45 John Nehrich's "PS-0"
article w/ drawings and a builder photo of CGW #90017

Tim O'Connor


One more if I may. Does anyone know the brake arrangement of these early 'PS-0' cars? I followed the underbody drawing of the F&C instructions which shows the AB-brake arrangement in the usual way: AB-valve opposite to the reservoir.

However, when I turned the page I saw a picture of a B&LE 'PS-0' that shows cylinder, AB-valve and resevoir all on one side of the car next to each other.
What would be the correct brake gear arrangement for the CGW-version I'm building?
Thanks.
Fred Jansz

Re: Some Ebay 1950s slides of freight cars

Tim O'Connor
 

A slide dealer I know well has about 30 freight car slides on Ebay, many which are 1950s and some 1960s shots. Go to Ebay, search "rrphotogs" and reduce search to "slides", then newly listed.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: CGW PS-0 car kit

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks Ted, could do that indeed. Owever, I studied the picture of CGW 90036 and I'm quite sure the brake gear parts like reservoir, AB valve and cylinder are all situated on the L-side of the car.
Normally you'd see the reservoir hanging on the R-side of the car, just right of the door, which is not the case on this picture of CGW 90036. All the gear is hung on the other side of the center sill.
best regards,
Fred 'WP' Jansz

Re: Using "The Tool" (truck ream)?

Tim O'Connor
 


I have never heard of any mechanical advantage to roller bearing equipped
freight cars. When a car is rolling there is virtually no friction at all for
either plain or roller bearings. Any friction would result in uncontrollable
increases in heat that would melt the journal.

In very cold weather, the oil in plain bearings does provide some resistance but
it warms up quickly.

Hand brakes are typically applied on standing freight cars.



Some have wondered what the benefit of replacing wheelsets for a better fit and rolling characteristics. The real benefit is that the pulling power of your locomotives will appear to be very much enhanced, because you can pull a longer train of cars with properly adjusted trucks.
Spen Kellogg

I saw a recent post from a member of a historical society/museum that indicated this happens in the prototype world as well - when they got their first car, a passenger car, equipped with roller bearings they learned a lot of their apparently level trackage wasn't.

--
Jeff Shultz

Boxcars At Auto Plant

Bob Chaparro
 

This 1935 image is from the Huntington Library Digital Archives (http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/) and shows the Studebaker plant in the

Central Manufacturing District in Los Angeles:

 

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16003coll2/id/30238/rec/16

 

Use the slider above the images to enlarge it.

 

As to the boxcars lined up at the plant, would anyone hazard a guess as to whether these brought parts in, were ready to receive finished automobiles or were in dual service?

 

Also notice the apparent game of craps in the foreground.

 

By the way, there are many railroad photographs on the Huntington Library site.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet. CA

Re: Some Ebay 1950s slides of freight cars

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Somebody put some Visine on those slides. Visine gets the red out! LOL!





Thanks!




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Hello-

A slide dealer I know well has about 30 freight car slides on Ebay, many which are 1950s and some 1960s shots. Go to Ebay, search "rrphotogs" and reduce search to "slides", then newly listed.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: CGW PS-0 car kit

radiodial868
 

I've come across similar cars from my 1939 modeled era in images. All were K brakes originally that were retrofitted to AB brakes. I guess when you think about, why cut holes in the center sill to run piping when you could just stick the components on the same side. My latest was a GN 40' 30000 series DS.
Usual arrangement seems to be in a diagonal, with the cylinder being forward of where the K brake was next to the sill, the reservoir next (towards the A end), and the control valve last next to the side sill.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

Reefer On L.A. Junction Railway

Bob Chaparro
 

An image from the Los Angeles Public Library:

 

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048175.jpg

 

Caption: A train of the L.A. Junction Railway Co. is stopped in front of the warehouse of the Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Co., importers of tea. Photo dated: January 7, 1932.

 

Can anyone identify the class of SFRD reefer on this train?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Boxcars At Auto Plant

Nolan Hinshaw
 

To me the building is as interesting and significant as the adjacent rolling stock; it's a classic example of industrial Art Deco, with the curved roofs of the sawtooth skylights and the vertically-striated treatment of the façade, to name a few details.--
Nolan Hinshaw, San Francisco
"Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!"
From Wolfgang Pauli, perpetrator of the Pauli Exclusion Principle

Re: Boxcars At Auto Plant

Bob Chaparro
 

I also saw photos of auto frames and partially finished auto bodies loaded in gondolas that were shipped to this plant.


I need to find these photos again.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

RPC 34

np328
 


       Walked in from getting the mail not too long ago. I saw a well-padded envelope stuffed in the mailbox and thought how I need to get a larger mailbox back up. (The county, when one of their snow plows knock down your mailbox, puts in this ¾ size version. Does not hold railroad books. Don’t ask me how I know this.)  


      Walk in the house and look at the envelope expecting it to be something the wife ordered. No, it has RPC stamped on the return address area. I carefully open it and have been looking over the RPC 34. I really do not know where to start, nice photos, great reproduction on these photos. Photos across a broad spectrum. Diagrams and more. Due to these photos I am now wanting cars that I did not know I wanted.


       What to say as I am somewhat at a loss for words on how nice this issue is.  Well I was always taught that if you get something you like and don’t know what to say, then say “thank you”.


       To Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider, a very big THANK YOU.           Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN


 PS - If you did not reserve one of these, get down to your local hobby store and have them hold one for you.




Re: RPC 34

Douglas Harding
 

Mine arrived the other day. 192 pages, 2 or 3 photos on every page. Even some color. A treasure trove to be sure.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: RPC 34

ford.donald77
 

I also received mine copy yesterday OUTSTANDING!

Don Ford 
Cameron MO


On Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:55 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]"


 
Mine arrived the other day. 192 pages, 2 or 3 photos on every page. Even some color. A treasure trove to be sure.
 
Doug Harding
 


Re: RPC 34

John Barry
 

Mine was in a locker at the post office downstairs from work.  I brought it back upstairs and restrained myself for the rest of the work day.  I did peruse a very useful set of photos riding the MARC back to Point of Rocks.  Thanks Pat and Ed!  
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "jcdworkingonthenp@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RPC 34

 

       Walked in from getting the mail not too long ago. I saw a well-padded envelope stuffed in the mailbox and thought how I need to get a larger mailbox back up. (The county, when one of their snow plows knock down your mailbox, puts in this ¾ size version. Does not hold railroad books. Don’t ask me how I know this.)  

      Walk in the house and look at the envelope expecting it to be something the wife ordered. No, it has RPC stamped on the return address area. I carefully open it and have been looking over the RPC 34. I really do not know where to start, nice photos, great reproduction on these photos. Photos across a broad spectrum. Diagrams and more. Due to these photos I am now wanting cars that I did not know I wanted.

       What to say as I am somewhat at a loss for words on how nice this issue is.  Well I was always taught that if you get something you like and don’t know what to say, then say “thank you”.

       To Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider, a very big THANK YOU.           Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN

 PS - If you did not reserve one of these, get down to your local hobby store and have them hold one for you.