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Re: Accurail underframe assembly tips

Eric Hansmann
 

---In STMFC@..., Dennis wrote :

Thanks for the excellent tutorial on assembling our new kit underframe. May we have permission to place a copy of the PDF file on the Accurail web site?

The design of the brake rod and lever part was kind of a 'leap of faith' on my part. I had already proven to myself that a one-piece brake rigging molding was possible with the part we did for our gondola, which we later adapted to our 40' boxcar floor, but that part relies on the brake cylinder mounting to hold it in place, and that precluded adapting it to our existing fishbelly underframe.

When designing the new kit, however, I had an epiphany; it looked like it would be possible to fish the brake rigging through the slots in the sills, if I could come up with a way to anchor the acetal part in place, which is the reason for the snap catch on the end of the intermediate lever, so it stays attached to the sill. The other end is held in place by the clevis on the brake cylinder push rod.

You mention the lever is too thick to fit in the clevis. Did you notice the small half round depressions in the lever? That portion is reduced in thickness to fit the clevis, and holds it in proper alignment. With the intermediate lever clipped to one sill, when the two sills are assembled, the cylinder lever can't slide through the clevis.

Your tip to use a piece of masking tape to hold the sills in alignment during assembly is inspired. I have been holding the sills by the ends as I add the crossbearers. Because of the odd off center location of the brake cylinder on the New York Central prototype, the brake rigging part had to be made with one rod too long (so it will also work with the straight sills) and clipping this back past the end of the sill makes it  easier to hold the sills with your fingers on the ends. The brake rods really only have to run behind the wheels where the end can't be seen; I designed them to run past the axle so there is no chance the end will drop to the track. This is the location that the prototype would connect to the truck live lever, which is something I don't think we are ready to do in HO scale... yet.

 

 

Dennis,

You have my permission to post the PDF file to the Accurail site. After pulling together the text and photos I realized a PDF file would be an extra bonus for many folks. It was easy to put together. I created the post to share techniques. I hope the tutorial helps modelers with their car build. Once you build one, you realize how the parts fall together.

The tutorial features the third Accurail 36-foot underframe I’ve built and it’s the first time I’ve noticed the small half-round impression. I probably tried to fit the end of that brake lever through the clevis on previous builds, hence the scraping step to thin part of the lever. It’s now a smack my head moment.

I’m looking forward to the straight center sill models!

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: REA Express Reefer In Freight Train

rwitt_2000
 

Ted,

Did you account for left-hand running on the CNW?

Bob Witt


Re: Accurail underframe assembly tips

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <eric@...> wrote :

In response to statements and queries about assembling the Accurail 36-foot box car underframe...

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/07/accurail-36-foot-box-car-underframe-tutorial/


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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Eric,


Thanks for the excellent tutorial on assembling our new kit underframe. May we have permission to place a copy of the PDF file on the Accurail web site?


The design of the brake rod and lever part was kind of a 'leap of faith' on my part. I had already proven to myself that a one-piece brake rigging molding was possible with the part we did for our gondola, which we later adapted to our 40' boxcar floor, but that part relies on the brake cylinder mounting to hold it in place, and that precluded adapting it to our existing fishbelly underframe.


When designing the new kit, however, I had an epiphany; it looked like it would be possible to fish the brake rigging through the slots in the sills, if I could come up with a way to anchor the acetal part in place, which is the reason for the snap catch on the end of the intermediate lever, so it stays attached to the sill. The other end is held in place by the clevis on the brake cylinder push rod.


You mention the lever is too thick to fit in the clevis. Did you notice the small half round depressions in the lever? That portion is reduced in thickness to fit the clevis, and holds it in proper alignment. With the intermediate lever clipped to one sill, when the two sills are assembled, the cylinder lever can't slide through the clevis.


Your tip to use a piece of masking tape to hold the sills in alignment during assembly is inspired. I have been holding the sills by the ends as I add the crossbearers. Because of the odd off center location of the brake cylinder on the New York Central prototype, the brake rigging part had to be made with one rod too long (so it will also work with the straight sills) and clipping this back past the end of the sill makes it  easier to hold the sills with your fingers on the ends. The brake rods really only have to run behind the wheels where the end can't be seen; I designed them to run past the axle so there is no chance the end will drop to the track. This is the location that the prototype would connect to the truck live lever, which is something I don't think we are ready to do in HO scale... yet.


Dennis Storzek




Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

StephenK
 

I have had some success with this method, although I spray the water FIRST, then sprinkle.   You can move the grains around a little with the non-business end of a brush, then let dry.

Steve KY


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Jared Harper
 




---In STMFC@..., <destorzek@...> wrote :




---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Yeah, sure, but there IS a difference between stiles and styles. That was my main point.


Schuyler
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Problem es, spellin' as gone all ta 'ell dees days.8>)

Dennis Storzek


Accurail underframe assembly tips

Eric Hansmann
 

In response to statements and queries about assembling the Accurail 36-foot box car underframe, the DesignBuildOp blog has published a tutorial to assist modeler's efforts. Follow along with the assembly and tips on installing Kadee couplers. Once you build one of these, additional underframes will fall together easily.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/07/accurail-36-foot-box-car-underframe-tutorial/


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: ORERs

Schleigh Mike
 

October 1959 ORER shows 16.

Mike Schleigh in snowy Grove City, Penna.



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 10:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ORERs

 
I’d appreciate assistance with establishing when Lackawanna’s 40’ DD box cars 11350 – 11599 went off the roster.  I know there were 294 still extant in 1950, but as rebuilt USRA cars, I suspect they diminished in number pretty quickly and were probably gone by the EL merger in 1960.
 
Any assistance welcomed.
 
Schuyler
 



Re: REA Express Reefer In Freight Train

Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

That beautiful photo is on the Kate Shelley bridge west of Boone, IA, a bridge still in place but bypassed in recent years in favor of a new bridge nearby. Reportedly, a major reason for the replacement was the corrosion caused by decades of passing ice reefers dripping brine down through the ties onto the bridge girders!

The new replacement bridge is made up largely from deck girders salvaged from the much, much newer abandoned Milwaukee Road bridge not far away. That bridge in turn was built by the Corps of Engineers for the Milwaukee when they dammed the Des Moines River after the War and forced track realignment.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: ORERs

Ray Breyer
 

There were still 98 of them on the roster in January 1959. beyond that I can't say.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ORERs



I’d appreciate assistance with establishing when Lackawanna’s 40’ DD box cars 11350 – 11599 went off the roster.  I know there were 294 still extant in 1950, but as rebuilt USRA cars, I suspect they diminished in number pretty quickly and were probably gone by the EL merger in 1960.
 
Any assistance welcomed.
 
Schuyler
 





Re: ORERs

Todd Sullivan
 

Schuyler,

My January 1952 ORER says series 11300-11599 (40' XMR auto boxcars, 12'-6" staggered side doors, 40t capy, with Evans Auto Loader devices) had 292 cars in it.  Is this the same series you asked about?

I think have a 1960 ORER buried in a storage box somewhere; I could try finding it tomorrow and check, if you want.

Todd Sullivan


Re: REA Express Reefer In Freight Train

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Bob,

I believe the train is westbound, so the car might be empty or have a back haul of some sort.

ted

At 03:27 PM 4/6/2017, you wrote:


This is another photo link from the Chicago and North Western Railway Archives Art Collections.

 

It shows an REA express reefer mixed in with non-express reefers. Assuming this express reefer was loaded, how often would such reefers appear in freight trains rather than in passenger trains?

 

https://pixels.com/featured/freight-train-crosses-high-bridge-1959-chicago-and-north-western-historical-society.html

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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ORERs

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’d appreciate assistance with establishing when Lackawanna’s 40’ DD box cars 11350 – 11599 went off the roster.  I know there were 294 still extant in 1950, but as rebuilt USRA cars, I suspect they diminished in number pretty quickly and were probably gone by the EL merger in 1960.

 

Any assistance welcomed.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Michael Gross
 

Thanks much, Bob. I did not know this gallery existed, and as I worked in engine service for the C&NW in 1967, it brought back some great memories.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Bill Welch
 

I am playing with Morton "Coarse Kosher Salt" sprinkling it on randomly—which I am finding to be very subjective, I mean how can one be intentionally random?!—then spritzing on water and letting it dry. This sort of tacks the salt on enough to stay on while airbrushing. Then take a fairly stiff brush and knock the salt off.

Finding a happy medium between too much and too little is subjective too. There are lot a of Videos on YuoTube about both salt and hairspray, which I have not tried yet. One source swore by the Morton "Coarse Kosher Salt" which is why I am using it. The 16oz. container will go a long way at my pace.

The Resin Car Works modeling blog has some photos of various modelers experiments. I strongly suggest people log onto YuoTube and check the various resources there. Lots of good stuff there by modelers of all kinds.

Bill Welch
 


Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Dave Parker
 

I think the way the roof panels are blistering (and corroding?) is equally interesting.  I recall a discussion a few months back on trying to achieve this look in HO, but of course can't find any notes that I might have taken.  I have a very vague recollection of table salt?  Or maybe hairspray?  Can somebody jog my feeble short-term memory?

Thanks in advance.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:06 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
PanPastels were wonderfully for this. On about every third model I build I will scratch build the running board and latitudinals using Mt.Albert scale 1x6 wood strips. I will find some photos of how I do this and post them via Dropbox.

Bill Welch



Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Bill Welch
 

PanPastels were wonderfully for this. On about every third model I build I will scratch build the running board and latitudinals using Mt.Albert scale 1x6 wood strips. I will find some photos of how I do this and post them via Dropbox.

Bill Welch


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Dave Parker
 

For those who are finding this thread tedious, I would politely suggest that you avail yourself of that little button labeled DELETE.  Your expression of disinterest does not really add anything to the conversation.

Speaking only for myself, I do find the nomenclature interesting because it reflects how the Cycs evolved (or not) over time, as well as how the safety appliance standards were phased into them. 

Regarding Bob Witt's comments, those terms (ladder rounds and ladder side rails) date to at least the 1903 Cyc, and likely earlier.  The same definition appears in the glossary section until at last 1922 (I am away from my 1931, but I would guess it's unchanged).

Starting in 1912, there is a long Safety Appliances section that is also located within the glossary section.  Here, the corresponding terms are ladder treads and stiles (no rungs).  It also gives all the relevant details concerning tread spacing, distance from the car-end, etc. that were required by the 1911 SAA .  Starting with the 1922, the SA section was moved into a separate section closer to the back of the book, and retains the tread-stile nomenclature.

This is not the first time that I have found an internal discrepancy in the MCB-ARA nomenclature.  They seemed reluctant to edit pre-existing text when they introduced new standards.  Of course they lacked word-processors, but I wonder if it actually had more to do with the effort of introducing minor legislative changes at the annual MCB/ARA meetings.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

rwitt_2000
 


Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

Eric Hansmann
 

I first saw a model version of this in 2005 at a mini-RPM Bill Welch hosted in northern Virginia. Bill had replacement running boards on several reefer models that were unpainted or a slightly different shade of the roof color. His work influenced my efforts on many models since then. I usually just paint a portion of the running board casting, which is different from Bill’s method of replacing the casting with strip wood. Both methods work and the effect is frequently noted when the models are displayed.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Subject: [STMFC] Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

 




This photo link is from the Chicago and North Western Railway Archives Art Collections.

 

It shows running boards that have been replaced over time. I'm sure it has been noted here previously but this would be a good detail to model.

 

https://pixels.com/featured/freight-train-headed-away-from-navy-pier-chicago-and-north-western-historical-society.html

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Yeah, sure, but there IS a difference between stiles and styles. That was my main point.


Schuyler
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Problem es, spellin' as gone all ta 'ell dees days.

Dennis Storzek

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