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Re: Car Types for a Brown & Haley Candy Factory

erieblt2
 

We have a model of the factory on out layout.  See PSMRE website.  Sorry, its truck served! Bill S.


From: "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 3:05:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Car Types for a Brown & Haley Candy Factory

 


The Milwaukee Road served the Brown & Haley candy factory in Tacoma, WA, a substantial building of maybe 5 stories and there is a partial picture of it on page 43 of A Northwest Rail Pictorial  II using pictures from Warren W. Wing.

 

Boxcars would have delivered bagged sugar and most other ingredients, though maybe a refrigerator car for creams.  The packaging materials would likely also be delivered by boxcars.  Assuming that this or other similar candy factories shipped out to small stores on line crates of candies, they likely would have gone REA, unless a large a distributor needed LCL service.  Flavorings could have moved via refrigerator cars returning for further loads.  Would cocoa beans be delivered in refrigerator cars acting as insulated boxcars returning to their home road? 

 

Would such factories have their own power plant or would they have used the local grid?  It could be a function of the age of machinery in the plant: steam v. electric? 

 

Gary Laakso thinking of candies while working on tax forms

South of Mike Brock




Car Types for a Brown & Haley Candy Factory

gary laakso
 

The Milwaukee Road served the Brown & Haley candy factory in Tacoma, WA, a substantial building of maybe 5 stories and there is a partial picture of it on page 43 of A Northwest Rail Pictorial  II using pictures from Warren W. Wing.

 

Boxcars would have delivered bagged sugar and most other ingredients, though maybe a refrigerator car for creams.  The packaging materials would likely also be delivered by boxcars.  Assuming that this or other similar candy factories shipped out to small stores on line crates of candies, they likely would have gone REA, unless a large a distributor needed LCL service.  Flavorings could have moved via refrigerator cars returning for further loads.  Would cocoa beans be delivered in refrigerator cars acting as insulated boxcars returning to their home road? 

 

Would such factories have their own power plant or would they have used the local grid?  It could be a function of the age of machinery in the plant: steam v. electric? 

 

Gary Laakso thinking of candies while working on tax forms

South of Mike Brock


Re: GN USRA boxcars, was Re: What can I model?

Tim O'Connor
 

So since the GN cars were not true USRA clones, does that make them
prototypical foobies? :-)

Tim O'Connor

Bill, you might be thinking of our #10400 Series kits for GN DS boxcars, but these are different than the USRA clone.

Thank You.
Andrew Dahm
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Which is the reason Accurail never tooled a 7/8 end for their kit; many of the "clones" were reduced in height to 8'-7" IH instead of 9'-0", since many of the railroads felt the USRA cars were too tall.

Dennis Storzek


Re: GN USRA boxcars, was Re: What can I model?

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <dahminator68@...> wrote :

Bill, you might be thinking of our #10400 Series kits for GN DS boxcars, but these are different than the USRA clone.

Thank You.
Andrew Dahm
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Which is the reason Accurail never tooled a 7/8 end for their kit; many of the "clones" were reduced in height to 8'-7" IH instead of 9'-0", since many of the railroads felt the USRA cars were too tall.

Dennis Storzek


Re: GN USRA boxcars, was Re: What can I model?

dahminator68
 

Hello Bill & Tim:   Westerfield does not yet make the USRA clone with 7/8 ends, but the patterns for it are being worked on.  We will certainly make an announcement about this car when we get it ready.

Bill, you might be thinking of our #10400 Series kits for GN DS boxcars, but these are different than the USRA clone.

Thank You.
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels.gmail.com

On Monday, April 10, 2017, 10:13 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I am fairly certain that Westerfield offers the post-war 7/8 GN USRA clone.


I was one of the lucky ones with Andy Carlson's castings. I have his 50-foot steel rebuild using the old Walther's 50-ft SS underframe with fishbelly cnetersill. Mine is Orange & Green with DF and delineators. I also have two models since offered by Sunshine, the Pratt trussed SS 40-foot boxcar that built into a very nice model and one the GN's Plywood cars. This required Detail Associates 4/5 Dreadnaught ends and Red Caboose roof. Mine has orange sides and black ends and roof.

Bill Welch


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedias for sale

Corey Fischer
 

Jared, I'd be willing to pick up 2, 3 and 5. 

Thanks
Corey

On Apr 10, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Railway Prototype Cyclopedias for sale--Vols. 1-3, and 5.  $17.50 each plus shipping.  They are in excellent condition with a little darkening along the spine when they were smoked in our house fire.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 3060706-543-8821



Railway Prototype Cyclopedias for sale

Jared Harper
 

Railway Prototype Cyclopedias for sale--Vols. 1-3, and 5.  $17.50 each plus shipping.  They are in excellent condition with a little darkening along the spine when they were smoked in our house fire.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 3060706-543-8821



PHOTO HELP NEEDED YET AGAIN

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I am seeking photos of the SP&S flat cars in the 32005 -32054 series. This is the Tichey flat car for the NC$ StL.. I did this kit years ago for the SP&S although I believed at that time that the car was not quite accurate for tht road. I was going to change the car to NC&StL but someone convinced me that the car is indeed accurate.

Thanks for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: GN USRA boxcars, was Re: What can I model?

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill, have you published photos of your plywood box with the DA ends?
I am very interested to know what that looks like. :-) What do you think
of the Intermountain plywood box? (Other than the bottom sill, which I
know has to be replaced.)

Tim O'Connor

I am fairly certain that Westerfield offers the post-war 7/8 GN USRA clone.

I was one of the lucky ones with Andy Carlson's castings. I have his 50-foot steel rebuild using the old Walther's 50-ft SS underframe with fishbelly centersill. Mine is Orange & Green with DF and delineators. I also have two models since offered by Sunshine, the Pratt trussed SS 40-foot boxcar that built into a very nice model and one the GN's Plywood cars. This required Detail Associates 4/5 Dreadnaught ends and Red Caboose roof. Mine has orange sides and black ends and roof.

Bill Welch


Re: GN USRA boxcars, was Re: What can I model?

Bill Welch
 

I am fairly certain that Westerfield offers the post-war 7/8 GN USRA clone.

I was one of the lucky ones with Andy Carlson's castings. I have his 50-foot steel rebuild using the old Walther's 50-ft SS underframe with fishbelly cnetersill. Mine is Orange & Green with DF and delineators. I also have two models since offered by Sunshine, the Pratt trussed SS 40-foot boxcar that built into a very nice model and one the GN's Plywood cars. This required Detail Associates 4/5 Dreadnaught ends and Red Caboose roof. Mine has orange sides and black ends and roof.

Bill Welch


rebuilt X29's (was re: 40 Year Old Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 



Does this mean that the PRR rebuilt "X29" box cars with NEW underframes? I ask because
many of the rebuilt X29 classes lasted into the late 1970's if not the 1980's - long past the 40
year old limit.

Tim O'Connor




I have a note (unfortunately without a reference) that says in 1974 a rule was enacted that prohibited cars in interchange
with underframes over 40 years old if built before July 1, 1974. Was there an earlier rule prohibiting cars (I assume based
on the age of their underframes) over forty years old in interchange?
Bob Chaparro

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No, not that I'm aware of. The Soo Line still had one of their 1920 built boxcars listed in the ORER in 1971; 51 years of age.

Dennis Storzek


Re: GN USRA boxcars, was Re: What can I model?

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks, I saw Todd's post, too. I had no information on the clones.

Does Accurail offer its USRA DS box car with 7/8 ends??

Thanks for the info about 45000-52999... (WHAT A HUGE NUMBER RANGE!)

In my very first attempt to buy mail order RESIN kits I wrote to Andy Carlson
maybe 25 years ago to try to order some GN rebuilds. (The GN had so many great
rebuilds and virtually nothing in resin is now available.) Anyway I failed Andy
had decided by then not to produce any more kits.

Tim O'



A couple of errors in your post. GN series 24994-25993 were not USRA design boxcars, as Todd Sullivan has pointed out, but "USRA clones" (how can clones be different?) with differences in the doors, door tracks, and most notably, the ends, which are 7/8 Murphy, not 5/5/5.

And the 27000-27799 series (famous for being the first Glacier Green cars) were rebuilt from 45000-52999 series boxcars, not USRA cars. The GN never rebuilt the USRA or USRA clones into steel boxcars. Examples from both series were rebuilt into stockcars in the 1950s, as the GN was retiring their older truss rod stock cars. Many others were sent to MOW service, lasting well into the BN era.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: ORERs

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

My reply was really directed to Ike's post but I had not seen it,
only your reply...

Anyway I thought of an EXCELLENT reason why ALL railroads were very interested
in the exact number of freight cars they owned - Per Diem! There had better be
an account of every single car's whereabouts at midnight every night and if they
were offline, the account had better be paid!

Tim



Tim,

You have me there. I should have said, "if it wasn't important for the number of cars in a series to be accurate, why was it tracked in the ORER?" My response was in reply to George Eichelberger's post of April 8, 2017. Apparently the Southern didn't care too much about the accuracy of the listings of cars being taken out of service. The GN did, dutifully counting down the numbers of GN truss rod cars, despite their wholesale retirement in the postwar years.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: What can I model?

Allan Smith
 

Jared 
If you would contact me of list I would send you a roster of the USRA DS boxcars.

Al Smith
Smithal9@...


On Monday, April 10, 2017 8:02 AM, "harperandbrown@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Thanks Al.

Jared Harper



GN USRA boxcars, was Re: What can I model?

Robert Heninger
 

Tim,

A couple of errors in your post. GN series 24994-25993 were not USRA design boxcars, as Todd Sullivan has pointed out, but "USRA clones" (how can clones be different?) with differences in the doors, door tracks, and most notably, the ends, which are 7/8 Murphy, not 5/5/5.

And the 27000-27799 series (famous for being the first Glacier Green cars) were rebuilt from 45000-52999 series boxcars, not USRA cars. The GN never rebuilt the USRA or USRA clones into steel boxcars. Examples from both series were rebuilt into stockcars in the 1950s, as the GN was retiring their older truss rod stock cars. Many others were sent to MOW service, lasting well into the BN era.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: ORERs

Robert Heninger
 

Tim,

You have me there. I should have said, "if it wasn't important for the number of cars in a series to be accurate, why was it tracked in the ORER?" My response was in reply to George Eichelberger's post of April 8, 2017. Apparently the Southern didn't care too much about the accuracy of the listings of cars being taken out of service. The GN did, dutifully counting down the numbers of GN truss rod cars, despite their wholesale retirement in the postwar years.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: ORERs

Todd Sullivan
 

I worked the Northern Pacific Company of Oregon - Car Distributor Clerk position for 2 weeks in December 1961, and I used the ORER every day to check car capacities, length, and special features while filling customers' orders.  We relied on them and the validity of the data they contained heavily.

Todd Sullivan


Re: What can I model?

Todd Sullivan
 

And in January 1952, the ORER showed 1343 cars in series GN 23494-24993 (USRA DS originals) and 872 cars in series GN 24994-25993 (USRA DS clones with 7/8 dreadnought ends).

Todd Sullivan


Re: ORERs

Tim O'Connor
 


Indeed, what happened after WWII was a mass migration of heavy industry away
from the eastern states (where industry had originally developed) to "greenfield"
developments everywhere else. If you follow car loadings after WWII up to the PRR-NYC
merger, you see a steady (sometimes steep) drop in car loadings on those eastern roads
and a steady rise for other roads (SP, Southern, others). At one point in the 1950's
I recall SP bragging that a new rail-served customer was being added every day. In the
case of the PRR it was probably losing one every day. I figured it out once but at
some point in the 1960's the SP's revenue-ton-miles exceeded those of the PRR+NYC for
the first time.

Tim O'


In the case of the PRR, the malaise that eventually resulted in the Penn Central debacle had already set in. Dennis Storzek


Re: What can I model?

Jared Harper
 

Thanks Paul.

Jared Harper

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