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color MDT reefers in the '40s

ed_mines
 

Ted's new reefer book says - "Like many other cars illustrated herein, it was painted with orange sides, the MDT- standard for cars painted in the 1930s and through the 1950s.........." (page 49).


I recall Roger Hinman said the same thing in his book (currently in my storage locker).


Aren't there several Jack Delano color photos taken in Chicago during WWII that show several lemon yellow sided, wooden MDT reefers?


Has Roger passed?


Were there any 1940s era 40ft ice reefers with school bus yellow (mostly yellow with a little orange)?


Ed Mines



Re: ORERs

Earl Tuson
 

Four days ago, Dennis Storzek wrote,

I'm sure there were other instances of agents being asked to find cars with a specific dimension or other characteristic,
and having some idea how large the potential target population was would be useful.

Dwight Smith, former B&M Freight Sales employee, once shared a story regarding his efforts to locate a considerable
number of 50' double door box cars in order to forward on to the Suncook Valley Railroad in 1951 or so, for loading out the
machinery from the last remaining textile mill in Suncook Village for shipment to another location down south. His
complaint centered on the fact that while the significant effort required (presumably with ORER in hand,) in obtaining the
cars for the shipment fell to the B&M, and him in particular, the SV got a more favorable rate by directing the cars to be
shipped SV-B&M-(Worcester)-NYNH&H... rather than SV-B&M-(Mechanicsville)-D&H... or perhaps (Rotterdam Jct)-NYC...

Fifty years later, Dwight quipped something to the effect of, "We got shorthauled!"

Earl Tuson


What did you use to remove Rapido lettering or paint from their meat reefers?

gary laakso
 

I have 4 Rapido painted and lettered meat refrigerator cars that need to have their lettering and/or paint removed.  Has anyone done this, and if so, how?  Well, I did find an unpainted meat refrigerator car, so one down and 4 to go.  TIA 

 

Gary “tax forms done” Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: Team Track Vincennes, Indiana ca ~1959

rwitt_2000
 


Team Track Vincennes, Indiana ca ~1959

rwitt_2000
 

Unloading furniture from a PRR box car in Vincennes, Indiana. The year for the re-weight date looks like "59" to my eyes.

Bob Witt


Re: New Products Tank Cars

hubert mask
 

Thank you for your suggestion. 

Hubert 


On Apr 14, 2017, at 2:52 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Dear Hubert, I suggest next time to paste the link to your website in your message so people can just click on it.


Bill Welch


Re: New Products Tank Cars

Bill Welch
 

Dear Hubert, I suggest next time to paste the link to your website in your message so people can just click on it.

Bill Welch


Re: Car Types for a Brown & Haley Candy Factory

Chuck Soule
 

I do not have any specific information about car traffic to the Brown & Haley Candy Factory, but can speak a little bit from local knowledge.  Let me contemplate this while munching on some Almond Roca...

The dairy component could very easily have arrived by truck or even horse wagon in the early 1900s because there were dairies within 5 miles.

Cocoa might have been shipped from elsewhere by rail, but the Milwaukee owned an ocean dock only 2 miles from the factory.  So it could have been shipped by truck or freight car, depending on the size of the shipment and economics.

Sugar could have arrived either by ship, particularly cane sugar, or by railcar (sugar beet sugar from Eastern Washington or alternate sources).

Chuck Soule
Gig Harbor, WA

Brown and Haley Makes 'em Daily


Re: Asleep at the Wheel Re: Broadway Limited 6K tank cars

SUVCWORR@...
 

Received my invoice yesterday.  I expect to have the cars late next week.  I know  a number of you ordered from me.  I have those orders and will fill them first.

Rich Orr
GR Collectibles


-----Original Message-----
From: fgexbill@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Apr 13, 2017 5:24 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Asleep at the Wheel Re: Broadway Limited 6K tank cars



It appears these are now landing in hobby shops. It seems like I requested a couple of specific cars from someone here on the list that is a BL dealer who planned to breakup the four-packs. Then again I may have dreamed I made this request. If this is wringing any bells with anyone, please send me a message offline to fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com

Alternatively, I know it is not Friday Noon but if you are a BL Dealer of broken bricks, please feel free to send me a message offline to the same address above. I think I am most interested in Virginia Chemical, Penn Salt, and Columbia Southern.

Thank you,
Bill Welch



Re: CNJ box car

Tim O'Connor
 

A recent email of inquiry started a chain of events that lead to a finished CNJ box car model. Alan Mende has the details in a DesignBuildOp guest post. In addition to a scratchbuilt box car, he shares several images of scratchbuilt model in a virtual RPM. Check it out!

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/14/assisting-others-cnj-box-car/

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


New Products Tank Cars

hubert mask
 

Wanted to let the group know that I have limited 4 Packs of the new Broadway Limited Imports new tank cars posted on my web site.  Look and click on the BLI logo.

Also view my selection of time era decals for this group.  I have upgraded my web site for more convenience.


Thank you!


Hubert Mask


Mask Island Decals Inc.


maskislanddecals.com


CNJ box car

Eric Hansmann
 

A recent email of inquiry started a chain of events that lead to a finished CNJ box car model. Alan Mende has the details in a DesignBuildOp guest post. In addition to a scratchbuilt box car, he shares several images of scratchbuilt model in a virtual RPM. Check it out!

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/14/assisting-others-cnj-box-car/



Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: Rock Island shops

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Morning Hubert

Thats great thank you.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 at 14:19, Hubert Mask maskisland@... [STMFC]
 

Morning Paul . The Rock Island had several car shops that did rebuilds etc.  The largest were El Reno, Oklahoma,  El Reno Yard (EL) and Biddle Yard, Little Rock Arkansas. (BD)


Hubert Mask


Mask Island Decals Inc.


Maskislanddecals.com




From: STMFC@... on behalf of Paul Doggett paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:51 PM
To: STMFC YahooGroup
Subject: [STMFC] Rock Island shops
 
 

Hi Guys


Which Rock Island shop(s) rebuilt/repainted their cars in the late forties early fifties.

Thank you Paul Doggett UK


Re: Rock Island shops

hubert mask
 

Morning Paul . The Rock Island had several car shops that did rebuilds etc.  The largest were El Reno, Oklahoma,  El Reno Yard (EL) and Biddle Yard, Little Rock Arkansas. (BD)


Hubert Mask


Mask Island Decals Inc.


Maskislanddecals.com




From: STMFC@... on behalf of Paul Doggett paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:51 PM
To: STMFC YahooGroup
Subject: [STMFC] Rock Island shops
 
 

Hi Guys


Which Rock Island shop(s) rebuilt/repainted their cars in the late forties early fifties.

Thank you Paul Doggett UK


Rock Island shops

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Hi Guys

Which Rock Island shop(s) rebuilt/repainted their cars in the late forties early fifties.

Thank you Paul Doggett UK


Re: BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

Steve SANDIFER
 

My 4 pack A of BLI 6K tank arrived today. I wish I knew more about the prototypes, but these are nice models. They are slightly smaller than the Tangent acid cars. Put it next to an Atlas 11K chemical tank and - Wow – it makes the Atlas look massive (it should, double the capacity). All running boards are simulated wood grain, though for some reason the grain stops just short of the ends of the boards. For those with the railings around the dome, they are slightly larger than Tangents, but very slightly. The railings are the same size as Tangent. Couplers appear to be Kadee #5, held in with a screw if you wish to replace with scale size. Trucks are a little “flat” and the metal wheelsets look like those on an Atlas cars.  It does roll well. Printing is excellent. It comes with molded uncoupler levers, brake hoses, and underbody details. There is a seam down the center of the top, a mold seam I presume, but could it have been a weld. If it is just a mold seam, they should have removed it.

 

My set came with the Mathieson (SHPX) 1940; Ethyl (EBAX) 1944; Stauffer (SHPX) 1947; and Brown (BCX) 1930. They are listed as 6K ACF type 27 ICC-105.

The 1950 ORER lists the Ethyl car for Anti-Knock compound.

The Brown number is shown but without reference to contents except that it would hold 48,215 pounds of water.

Stauffer had a few cars this size for Liquid Chlorine, but wearing their reporting marks.

Mathieson also had none under their reporting marks.

In the SHPX section, the 3310 and 3600 are listed as ICC 105A 300W type.

Kaminski’s ACF tank car book has a photo p. 17 of EBAX 6161 a 6K ICC 105A300-W for Anti-Knock. P. 134 has another number 842 with a 1944 date.  The one on p. 134 has railing around the dome curved up like the tank – the model has straight railings.

P. 51 shows Mathieson 3310, the same as modeled, as a 5.9K ICC105A300. I don’t know the correct blue/green color, but it is bright!

Kaminski does not have a photo of the Stauffer or Brown car in that book.

They will certainly add color (except for Brown) and variation in my consists.

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 10:02 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI 6K Tank Car photos posted

 

 

 

On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:31 PM, matt.dowd4@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Does anyone have any more information about the prototypes BLI chose? I'm curious to see if any of these cars would have been painted in other, more plain looking lease schemes such as GATC or UTLX. I was considering buying some of these models but the paint schemes aren't all that flattering in my opinion. Thanks in advance for the help

 

Matthew,

I’ll take a shot at answering your question. 

 

Many, but not all, of the new BLI models are based on as-built cars in the schemes delivered from ACF’s Milton, Pa. plant. These follow the ACF paint specs as denoted in ACF bills of materials that are available for review at the Barriger National Railroad Library (a part of the St. Louis Mercantile Library). 

 

A relatively few number of these prototype cars were plain-jane black with simple white stencils when delivered during the 1930s into the 1940s. The majority were painted in colorful schemes with numerous cars equipped with what ACF termed as "mud guards" to reduce the grime otherwise collected on the lower section of the jacket due to wheel splash. Other cars may have been repainted black at some later date, however, in-service photos have not yet been located to confirm this. If anyone has such photos, please make them available to BLI.

 

Several owners continued to paint their tank cars in colorful schemes for many years. Hooker consistently applied their colorful orange/white/black scheme during the span of the steam era. Other companies keeping their spiffy paint scheme were Pittsburgh Plate Glass (PPGX) and Southern Alkali (SACX), that in 1951 together became Columbia Southern. Similarly, the Ethyl Corp. (EBAX) cars for anti-knock compound were typically gray and black with colorful company trademarks. 

 

Regarding GATX or UTLX, none of these Type 27 chlorine tank cars for were built for them. To become GATX or UTLX would have required the owner to sell the cars to these large tank car leasing companies, who in turn may have painted them in their normal black with white stencils (GATC) or yellow stencils (UTLX). Perhaps that occurred, but again in-service photos are needed to confirm.

 

The plain-jane black/white schemes would more likely be cars owned by Shippers’ Car Line (SHPX), who by the postwar era may have repainted some of their cars black with white stencils. Approximately 50 SHPX cars built in 1946-1947 for lease to Mathieson Chemicals were painted black with white stencils, but they were on long-term lease and lettered with relatively large Mathieson company graphics.

 

During the 1950s many of the PSMX Penn Salt cars went to Shippers’ Car Line, so the challenge is to locate photos of them.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 

 


Re: Asleep at the Wheel Re: Broadway Limited 6K tank cars

Bill Vaughn
 

Got my 4 pack today.  Nice looking cars.

Bill Vaughn


On Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:26 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Sort of answering my own query but one of our members put me in touch w/a hobby shop. I sent them a message telling them what I wanted and they responded saying they "had me covered" and that models were expected any day now. They said to tell my friends so here you go:

WALT'S TRAINS
408-431-1660
866-924-3044 TOLL FREE

Bill Welch




Re: Asleep at the Wheel Re: Broadway Limited 6K tank cars

Bill Welch
 

Sort of answering my own query but one of our members put me in touch w/a hobby shop. I sent them a message telling them what I wanted and they responded saying they "had me covered" and that models were expected any day now. They said to tell my friends so here you go:

WALT'S TRAINS
408-431-1660
866-924-3044 TOLL FREE

Bill Welch


Re: Packing Journal Boxes

Randy Hees
 

There are some museums that use solid Babbit bearings regularly and are not scared of them....  The system calls for a decent bearing and journal, and packing that is turned "inward" so thread are unlikely to be pulled between the babbit and the journal.  The coils shown in the drawing would do exactly that.

Randy Hees
Director, Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City
(where we regularly operate cars with solid bearings.... and who sometimes repacks them)


Re: what are these cars?

Douglas Harding
 

Reminds me of the horse & mule car that Red Ball offered many years ago. Here’s a link to a photo of the model https://www.flickr.com/photos/123800523@N03/14383237201

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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